BBC: Is the gun control movement too white?

[SpicyBoi]

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Protesters are being accused of hypocrisy, as some ask why they didn't turn out for the Black Lives Matter movement, which was set up in 2013 to end police violence against black people and highlight the impact of gun violence in ethnic minority communities.

We should really analyze how we're pushing our message going forward as we want to be inclusive to everyone's opinions. I thought this was some food for thought. Link below:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-43541179

UPDATE:
I'm also going to add this link since people aren't even listening to the crux of the argument.
"Black Marjory Stoneman Douglas students want the movement to include their voices too"
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article207251449.html

[BeyondGeography]

1. Was that question ever asked of the NRA?

[SpicyBoi]

3. There's an expectation of diversity on the Left

...since we preach it. Not so much on the Right.

[BeyondGeography]

8. The March in NYC this weekend was quite diverse

[SpicyBoi]

12. I wasn't there

Thank you for the comment

[BeyondGeography]

30. The only thing it lacked was a law enforcement speaker

Lots are pro gun control.

[IronLionZion]

14. Yes, their lack of diversity has been noted

so they promptly hired women and black people to be media personalities on their videos. They claim their female membership is way up.

Not much luck with black people since they completely ignored the rights of law abiding black people to not be shot and killed by police.

[saidsimplesimon]

39. I loved the perp walk,

escort of his "reality" cabinet "token" black woman kicked to the curb.

Thank you to all people of color who are resisting.

[FSogol]

2. BBC or some blogger on the BBC?

[SpicyBoi]

5. It's on the BBC website

So yes, I'm attributing it to the BBC. If you read the article, there's some pushback, but it's pretty "both-sided".

[Exotica]

43. Georgina Rannard is a BBC employee, as a journo

https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgina-rannard-38b001b5/

[IronLionZion]

4. No, the students are quite diverse and inclusive and very woke

the media focuses attention on the white and wealthy of course, so people may not see it on TV but it's there in real life.

[SpicyBoi]

7. If there's a focus on the white kids...

Why? Why would we allow for this?

[IronLionZion]

19. Ask the media outlets to show more diverse voices on this issue

They all have ways to contact them. I was at the DC march and I assure you it was way more diverse than some would have you believe.

[bobbieinok]

50. Still a fact of life - whites are listened to. Plus Parkland in v wealthy area.

In Mississippi Summer 1964, mostly white students went to MS to TRY to register blacks to vote. That they were white gave them more protection than if they had been black.

The murders of the 2 white and 1 black workers that summer in Philadelphis MS showed that didn't always work. And we must never forget Reagan started his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia MS. This choice sent an unmistakeable message to all racists.

[treestar]

53. If we were in charge of the media and what it does

we would not have a Dotard in the Oval Office.

[tazkcmo]

6. Strange question

I feel like it's not white enough. AA's have been getting gunned down for literally centuries and have been the faces I've seen protesting until recently. I guess the BBC thinks this is a new thing. Unfortunately, resistance and protest have been going on for a long time but not enough cared so much until the white, suburban world was attacked, imo.

[SpicyBoi]

9. Not white enough?

Interesting, I'd always advocate for more diversity.

[tazkcmo]

24. Me too

All for it. After all, this in an American problem although most victims are African Americans but they are our citizens and we all need to stick up for each other on this.

I'm trying to say, white America needs to do more on this issue. That includes myself, btw.

[Aristus]

10. The face of the movement is an Hispanic lesbian.

Or are they just casting about for any ridiculous little nothing designed to discredit the protest?

[SpicyBoi]

11. Disagree there

David Hogg is the face of the movement - he's the one getting Laura Ingraham's advertisers

[Aristus]

16. Still, arguing over whether a progressive movement is "too white"

is a little idiotic. I expect the ethnic makeup of the list of victims generally reflects that of the student body as a whole. And the leaders of the movement, as well.

[LanternWaste]

17. Post hoc ergo pompter hoc?

"he's the one getting Laura Ingraham's advertisers..."

Post hoc ergo pompter hoc?

[tazkcmo]

37. I respectfully disagree, too.

I do agree Emma is THE prominent figure, for sure but that doesn't mean the movement's participants are largely Hispanic or lesbian and that's what the BBC was saying. Still, I think they are wrong because they ignore the fact that this isn't a new issue and the AA community in particular is waaaaaaaaay ahead of White America when it comes to protesting gun violence as they've been the major victims of it and for a lot longer.

As I said in an other response to the OP, I don't think it's been white enough. White Americans, like myself, should have been standing and marching with our AA brothers and sisters all along.

[LanternWaste]

13. I've seen no objective evidence validating the premise

I've seen no objective evidence validating the premise the current movement is too white or intolerant of diversity. It appears the author of the piece predicated his conclusion on examples rather than evidence.

[SpicyBoi]

21. It's a criticism, whether valid or not

And I think it should be discussed. We should be able to soberly address any criticisms and not sweep them under the rug.

[LanternWaste]

26. Critics may also hold that two plus two equals orange, which simply does not merit discussion.

Critics may also hold that two plus two equals orange, which again, if lacking evidence to support the allegation, simply does not merit discussion.

[SpicyBoi]

29. Ridiculous

Questioning whether or not we meet our own inclusion standards is not the equivalent of saying "two plus two equals orange".

[LanternWaste]

33. Making a claim which lacks evidence is indeed, ridiculous.

Making a claim which lacks evidence, as the author of the blog did is indeed, ridiculous.

And don't claim anyone is arguing that we not meet our own standards, only that evidence be submitted to validate that allegation. The author of the blog did not, and neither are you.

[tazkcmo]

38. Well said.

The BBC must not have been aware of Ferguson, Baltimore, San Diego et al. Whole lot of non-white faces in those protests.

[SpicyBoi]

40. I'm not one of those

People that look at this article with an agenda of smearing the Left. I think there are people who are genuinely concerned with what PoC think

[SpicyBoi]

48. Evidence

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article207251449.html

[wasupaloopa]

32. Valid criticism yes, this one no

[poboy2]

15. Bullshit meant to navel gaze and divide. Fuck this. -nt

[SpicyBoi]

18. We should take all inclusion criticisms seriously

Unless you're not serious about promoting and displaying diversity

[LanternWaste]

22. Unless those criticism are not based on objective evidence

Unless those criticism are not based on objective evidence; in which case, they may be dismissed.

"Unless you're not serious about critical though..."

[SpicyBoi]

27. Unless the author supports Drumpf

I think we can look at ourselves and improve.

[LanternWaste]

28. You are now moving the goalpost.

You are now moving the goalpost.

"I think we can look at ourselves and improve..."
No one is arguing otherwise. Dismissal of an allegation lacking evidence to support it is in fact, improving ourselves.

[SpicyBoi]

31. Actually you dismissed the question outright

I'm thinking "If this is true, what do we do about it?"

[LanternWaste]

36. I'm dismissing the claim as it currently stands, based on a lack of evidence.

I'm dismissing the claim as it currently stands, based on a lack of evidence. Submit objective evidence, I'll re-evaluate the claim.

[SpicyBoi]

46. Since you don't believe the BBC

What about the Miami Herald?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article207251449.html

[tazkcmo]

41. Yes we should be self reflective.

The BBC is looking at the Walk For Our Lives march and equating it with the whole movement while in truth this movement has been moving for a long time. They are ignoring the more frequent and smaller protests held almost daily it seems in cities across this country held by the family, community members and friends of slain AA's.

[FSogol]

23. No true liberal can have ice cream until everyone gets ice cream!

[poboy2]

25. I'm not taking you seriously. Nor do I entertain bullshit. Bye. -nt

[SpicyBoi]

47. Is this BS too?

Seriously?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article207251449.html

[wasupaloopa]

35. You don't need to burn incense to eveyone who comes along saying he is a god.

[wasupaloopa]

20. At all the rallies last weekend there was talk about shootings of all kinds in all places. There

two black student speakers out of six at our rally and there were more than that in Washington.

This is just another bull shit knock the left OP.

[SpicyBoi]

34. This is the BBC

Not Breitbart. I think we should at least discuss this.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

42. This is just bs from the "some people say" school of journalism - I expect more from BBC - besides

maybe the question should be - is the media's coverage of the gun movement too fixated on white?

News flash: people say all kinds of stuff on the internet.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. Wasn't the Black Lives Matter movement used by Russian operatives

To disrupt and divide liberals and Dems?

Seem to me that's what this BBC blog is imitating, the disruptive Russian operative part.

[SpicyBoi]

49. Or it could be coming from MSD students themselves

Like this:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article207251449.html

[Hoyt]

45. Lots of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense In America has done a lot of work in crime ridden

neighborhoods. In fact, moms in communities where gun crime is high were some of the first to protest guns that are killing young people.

https://momsdemandaction.org/

But BBC is right that it took white people getting slaughtered for this to become National. That is a shame. But, we need to press forward in stopping some of the guns -- like AR15s -- from being made legally. That will stop them from getting into criminal hands by being stolen, sold without background checks by owners who don't care who buys them as long as they get a fistful of cash, straw purchases, etc. And, it will keep them out of white wing racist militias and the likes of George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn.

[treestar]

51. Does the movement exclude POC in any way?

No.

They are distracting in order to divide, as the guns can kill children of any color.

They didn't have to turn out at the BLM protests to be supportive. Would the BLM want the protests to be majority white, because proportionality would have created that.

[SpicyBoi]

54. I'm reading the Miami Herald piece

And it seems like their voices aren't being heard.

[Paladin]

55. Pro-gun flamebait.

Whatever the racial makeup of the gun control movement, it's a safe bet it's more diverse than the pro-gun militancy movement, which is about as lily-white as political forces get.

[inwiththenew]

56. Eminem hit on this years ago

"When a dude's getting bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at!
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper-class city havin' this happening"