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ABC WaPo poll: Romney, Obama in Dead Heat Ahead of RNC (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
I can't believe these polls Ichingcarpenter Aug 2012 #1
I survived two terms of Reagan so I can believe anything NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #7
Right. bemildred Aug 2012 #2
Intrade has droped POTUS getting re-elected to 55.8% a kennedy Aug 2012 #3
intrade, I don't get that, it seems like a waste of time to even follow that. WI_DEM Aug 2012 #9
Well, actually, I guess it's a waste of time on ANY polls then, eh?? a kennedy Aug 2012 #27
Just as meaningless as intrade. Obama's winning big in electoral college. Dawgs Aug 2012 #4
The State Polls Follow The National Polls DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #5
Not the swing state polls uponit7771 Aug 2012 #11
I don't this this is the case. ananda Aug 2012 #6
But Polls By Respected Democratic Pollsters Are Showing Similar Results DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #10
National polls are meaningless, if you have swing state polls with matched numbers then uponit7771 Aug 2012 #15
There Is Some Tightening There Too DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #20
some polls have Obama ahead others show a tie WI_DEM Aug 2012 #8
The Structure Of The 08 Race Was Fundamentally Different DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #12
too many people will see this and begin to panic WI_DEM Aug 2012 #17
This Will Probably Be A One Or Two Point Race With The President Hopefully Winning. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #21
two points Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #13
I agree--the debates will be key WI_DEM Aug 2012 #18
Kerry Used Bush* As A Punching Bag In Two Of The Three Debates And Still Lost DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #22
Kerry was also the stiff from MA. This time that will be Rmoney. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #24
I Agree DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #26
ABC Poll has been most pro-Romney of all the major networks... WI_DEM Aug 2012 #14
wow...does ABC post it's sampling and weighting? uponit7771 Aug 2012 #16
And the Rasmussen tracking poll has Obama up by 3 points. Jennicut Aug 2012 #19
Well, That Will Upset Those Toads, Karl Rove And Dick Morris DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2012 #23
I just don't believe it's that close. ananda Aug 2012 #25

a kennedy

(29,669 posts)
27. Well, actually, I guess it's a waste of time on ANY polls then, eh??
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:53 AM
Aug 2012

They're all just numbers and the only real number that counts is when they're all counted, and hopefully counted correctly. GOBAMA, GOBAMA, GOBAMA

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
4. Just as meaningless as intrade. Obama's winning big in electoral college.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

Romney is toast, unless he can come up with a big game changer before election.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. The State Polls Follow The National Polls
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:29 AM
Aug 2012

It's possible but unlikely one would win the pop vote and lose the EC vote.


If you look at the numbers this race looks like 2004 with the incumbent and challenger exchanging small leads. I hope in this instance the incumbent wins.

ananda

(28,864 posts)
6. I don't this this is the case.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012

These polls are manufactured in an effort to make people think the race is close.

It isn't.

However, if manufactured polls keep targeted people at home on election day,
well, that is another matter.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. But Polls By Respected Democratic Pollsters Are Showing Similar Results
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:34 AM
Aug 2012

And if the polls are showing a close race wouldn't that encourage folks to vote by convincing them every vote is needed.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
15. National polls are meaningless, if you have swing state polls with matched numbers then
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012

...could you link them?

I've not seen multiple swing state poll with rMoney within MOE

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. There Is Some Tightening There Too
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:43 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

The tightening makes sense because after all state polls are part of the larger universe from which national polls are compiled.

I think the president's popular vote percentage will approximate his approval rating percentage which stands anywhere between 46% and 50% depending on the poll.

I also think he might outpoll his approval rating by a percent or two for a host of reasons because ironically some folks don't like change.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
8. some polls have Obama ahead others show a tie
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:33 AM
Aug 2012

it's close, but so far most don't have Romney ahead. I'm sure some polls will have Romney up after his convention and then Obama will have his. The fact is that the polls aren't much different right now than they were at this point in 2008.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
17. too many people will see this and begin to panic
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
Aug 2012

and you know what? Romney is going to have the lead after this week in several polls because of all the publicity he gets from the convention. You know what will happen then? The Dems will have their convention next week and then Obama will get a boost. It's going to be a close election and the debates will be key.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. This Will Probably Be A One Or Two Point Race With The President Hopefully Winning.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:44 AM
Aug 2012

We are getting killed by this economy.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
13. two points
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012

1) The polls will be all over the place until after the debates. Getting caught up in them right now is a mistake.

2) Only the electoral college really matters. We have a huge advantage there and it doesn't matter if we lose Mississippi by 80%, the electoral votes don't change.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
18. I agree--the debates will be key
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:39 AM
Aug 2012

and the polls right now due to the conventions are pretty meaningless. Both candidates will get a boost from their conventions.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. Kerry Used Bush* As A Punching Bag In Two Of The Three Debates And Still Lost
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:48 AM
Aug 2012

But one could interpet that as to just how difficult it is to beat an incumbent president.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. Kerry was also the stiff from MA. This time that will be Rmoney.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:51 AM
Aug 2012

Plus Rmoney has flipped on so many issues that he can be hit on it every time he answers a question. Besides that he is at odds with his own party's platform.

I expect to see more flips and flops than at the Olympics.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. I Agree
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:47 AM
Aug 2012

Bob Shrum pretty much nailed it.

Rmoney approaches politics as one would approach marketing. You try to figure out what the customer wants and give it to him or her. They all do that, our side too...But he takes it to an absurd level.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
14. ABC Poll has been most pro-Romney of all the major networks...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012

out of 14 polls they have done on the presidential race, Romney has held the lead in seven of them. No other poll has shown that...

It’s the seventh time in 14 ABC/Post surveys this cycle that Romney’s held a scant (even 1-point) numerical edge.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
19. And the Rasmussen tracking poll has Obama up by 3 points.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:40 AM
Aug 2012

So many polls have different systems, different weights for each party, RV vs. LV.
Who the hell knows except that this race is close. Obama has the struggling economy (which to me is not his fault) and Romney has the struggling personality. It will come down to who people feel most comfortable with as President.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. Well, That Will Upset Those Toads, Karl Rove And Dick Morris
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:51 AM
Aug 2012

They are big Rasmussen fans but I'm sure in private they acknowledge his polls are garbage.

Even if you assume the cell phone only voter is indistinguishable from the landline or landline and cell phone voter it is folly to exclude them.

ananda

(28,864 posts)
25. I just don't believe it's that close.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 09:53 AM
Aug 2012

Period.

I think Obama will win in a landslide.

I just hope he has coattails. I really want a revival
of the 50 state strategy NOW!!

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