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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:32 AM Aug 2012

Anyone else trapped by Facebook political insanity?

Yep. This is a vent.

I got on Facebook noticed a post from a woman. We are on the PTA together and our kids go to school together. We are not good friends, but our kids are friends and she lives a few blocks from me.

She just posted this, "I'm at the clinic with my son today, waiting patiently for the doctor. Can you imagine how long we will have to wait once Obamacare is the law of the land?"

I feel trapped. I can't tell her what I'd really like to say--and what she needs to hear, "Hey, are you a bloomin' idiot? You won't have to wait longer for a doctor with Obamacare, you'll have access and you'll pay less. We're the only modern nation on the globe without a national healthcare system, and the only reason we don't--is because the health-insurance magnates use Fox News and Glenn Beck to convince ignorant fools like yourself--to carry their bizarre messages for them. Wake the hell up!"

I can't say that. I have to just sit there. It's difficult, because you see this insane baloney and you want to haul off on these people. But some of them are your neighbors, your co-workers--or the people you'd see on your morning jog or at the PTA meeting. And frankly, I don't think they're up for being enlightened. They just want to throw out barbs.

It's difficult to see this endless parade of electronic foolish, false and nutty statements -- when you're constrained due to the politics of social connections.

I understand that this is the nature of Facebook. I get that. However, I'm at the end of my rope when it comes to the Fox News/Glenn Beck mentality that is destroying our world. It negatively impacts so many issues:


*Global warming is decimating the planet--because Big Oil wants to maximize profits and has filtered their "climate change is a hoax" propaganda to these lemming talk-radio listeners.

*Big Banks are ramping up for another implosion and bailout because they're so deregulated and operating in a financial Wild West. Banks remain unaccountable because they use right-wing media to pass on the "We're too regulated!" meme and the lie that poor people with big mortgages caused the first housing crash. And once again, the lemming listeners are happy to act as the PR arm for these corporate greed mongers--and pass on their soundbytes through social media.

I'll never understand it. Americans arguing against their own interests--because they've been completely bamboozled by corporate-led marketing campaigns designed to enrich the wealthy and powerful. It's one thing to flip on Fox News and to see this garbage, but to see it floating by on your Facebook--while feeling muzzled--is a unique kind of frustration.




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Anyone else trapped by Facebook political insanity? (Original Post) CoffeeCat Aug 2012 OP
It would be interesting to post in reply sharp_stick Aug 2012 #1
I hear ya... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #5
I understand. Mz Pip Aug 2012 #46
Oh, yes. And when you figure out how people can be dumb enough to do that, PDJane Aug 2012 #2
No. I am lucky... slor Aug 2012 #3
Only three types of people are connected to me on Facebook. onehandle Aug 2012 #4
It is a mistake, IMHO, to allow political statements like that to go unanswered. dawg Aug 2012 #6
Agreed. mattclearing Aug 2012 #28
I just say sweetly.. Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2012 #7
I look a it this way... madmom Aug 2012 #8
+100% mazzarro Aug 2012 #17
Same here! I've started answering them back. woodsprite Aug 2012 #32
You're as entitled to your opinion as she is. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2012 #9
i've unfriended anyone that posts that kinda crap. KG Aug 2012 #10
You can adjust the feed for your wall and set it to show only the most KurtNYC Aug 2012 #11
Totally! cilla4progress Aug 2012 #12
The issue seems to be that you feel "muzzled," "trapped" and "constrained." Brickbat Aug 2012 #13
I used to confront right-wingers on FB. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #14
I don't use Facebook. undeterred Aug 2012 #15
I don't think minds are changed via Facebook posts. IMO. . . . ncgrits Aug 2012 #16
Trapped? 99Forever Aug 2012 #18
Well said. Brickbat Aug 2012 #19
You are right... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #24
Thanks for taking my words in the spirit.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #30
Good response and one which applies to many other situations outside this specific example. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #26
Well in a way she's right. Turbineguy Aug 2012 #20
I know exactly how you feel. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #21
One of the biggest holds the right has on people is their belief ... dawg Aug 2012 #22
I can relate. My long-lost niece just found me on FB; rhiannon55 Aug 2012 #23
The "Unfriend" function is your (npi) friend - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #25
It's ironic because SHORT LINES are suppose to be a benefit of the current system Johonny Aug 2012 #27
All you really need to say or do. EC Aug 2012 #29
Uh, Ma'am, Obamacare already IS the law of the land. For 2 years now. JaneyVee Aug 2012 #31
SMH Mr Dixon Aug 2012 #33
She influences her kids, her kids influence your kids. Lars39 Aug 2012 #34
Ask her if it would be more acceptable to her as "Romneycare" since he is the one who put the system Skidmore Aug 2012 #35
That is the best response yet! Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #36
In response...no. SoapBox Aug 2012 #37
Actually, all my Republican friends are in Facebook political hell with me... renie408 Aug 2012 #38
Trapped? Nnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #39
I just nicely disagree with them. Like "I certainly don't think that is what's going to happen Lex Aug 2012 #40
I have FB friends that do much the same - lynne Aug 2012 #41
This is exactly why, while I have a FaceBook account, SheilaT Aug 2012 #42
I think you should respond Catherine Vincent Aug 2012 #43
On the one hand Proud Public Servant Aug 2012 #44
If Facebook is such a pain to you, why participate? MadHound Aug 2012 #45
Also, you need this toon Proud Public Servant Aug 2012 #47

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. It would be interesting to post in reply
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

something like:

My son is really sick today, wish I could go to the clinic but since I lost my health insurance I can't do it. If it gets much worse I'm going to have to go to the ER... Can you imagine how much we could save if I could only see a doctor before it became an emergency.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
5. I hear ya...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:41 AM
Aug 2012

I wish I had the cajones to reply. In a perfect world, I wouldn't care what she thinks and I would speak my mind.

I'm weak.

Mz Pip

(27,445 posts)
46. I understand.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:39 PM
Aug 2012

Nearly all of my "friends" are liberals, and the few Republicans don't seem to post political things. However I have one old high school "friend" who is a bagger and posts all kinds of anti Obama screeds.

I'd defriend him but I kind of like to see what crap the other side is saying. I posted a link from Gawker today with an article about the racist trailer for that anti-Obama movie. I suspect his blood pressure wnet up a few notches when he read it.

BUt the suggestion above was a good response. It's not vitriolic or negative. IT offers another point of view in a very polite manner.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
2. Oh, yes. And when you figure out how people can be dumb enough to do that,
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

Let me know.

Fortunately, most of my neighbours and friends are Canadians or expat Americans who know why they're not living there, but there is a couple of Texas, Florida, Colorado and Connecticut contingencies. The Texas/Florida bunch are amazing.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. Only three types of people are connected to me on Facebook.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:39 AM
Aug 2012

1) Family

2) Very close friends

3) Known liberal friends

Acquaintances are too much of a crapshoot. I tell them that 'I am not active on Facebook.'



dawg

(10,624 posts)
6. It is a mistake, IMHO, to allow political statements like that to go unanswered.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:42 AM
Aug 2012

Right-wingers mistake your silence for agreement, and they think that all of the *good* people believe the same as them.

They need to be reminded.

I would have replied that I wouldn't mind waiting a little longer if that meant that everyone had the right to see a doctor when they are sick. It pains me to think that before "Obamacare" sick children could be turned away due to pre-existing conditions.

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
28. Agreed.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

I do my best to counter this stuff when I see it. Some people think everyone agrees with them and their Fox or corporate media agenda, but on Facebook no one is going to pick and choose who says what or cut to commercial if someone serves up some truth.

I feel a personal responsibility to provide a progressive counterpoint when the opportunity to do so is presented. It gives voice to others who are standing by and lets them know that not everyone has lost their mind.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
7. I just say sweetly..
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:42 AM
Aug 2012

'you got that from fox news, didn't you?' and then sadly shake my head.


can't do that on facebook tho..

madmom

(9,681 posts)
8. I look a it this way...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:44 AM
Aug 2012

If they can spout their opinions on facebook and elsewhere and get as well as expect no repercussions, so can I. Why should I pussyfoot around their feelings? What about mine? Do it! Even if just once, it wil make you feel so much better, believe me.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
17. +100%
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:08 AM
Aug 2012

I am reading this with amazed unbelief. Why is it that the OP cannot reply to the Facebook post? Them I saw the response "I am weak"! That flabbergasted me! If the neighbor's stupid comment is so disdainful - then fire of your own and care less of the neighbor's sentiment - she opened herself to it by posting such stupid remark - period! Silence to such stupidity is taken to be acquiescence of it -- no, no, no my friend.

woodsprite

(11,915 posts)
32. Same here! I've started answering them back.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:50 AM
Aug 2012

It pisses them off, but "Oh Well!!!" Let them unfriend me or put me on an ignore list. If I have to put up with their shit, they can put up with me telling them the truth and sourcing it. If they actually read my posts, maybe they'll get a clue.

I've decided I'm going to make one plea closer on election eve telling my conservative friends that even if they have to hold their nose, they should vote for Obama because of X Y Z ....... I'm still composing the message.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
9. You're as entitled to your opinion as she is.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:44 AM
Aug 2012

She stated hers, so why can't you? If she didn't want to hear about politics, she shouldn't have gone into it. So apparently, it's ok. I always feel that someone stating their opinion is inviting me to state mine.

KG

(28,751 posts)
10. i've unfriended anyone that posts that kinda crap.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:48 AM
Aug 2012

no big deal. it's my little sandbox, my rules or you can't play...

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
11. You can adjust the feed for your wall and set it to show only the most
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:50 AM
Aug 2012

urgent posts from this person, or none at all.

If you really can't resist responding perhaps remind her that Obamacare is based on Romneycare. That causes a short circuit.

cilla4progress

(24,733 posts)
12. Totally!
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:53 AM
Aug 2012

I "can't" even post political stuff on FB any more after getting dissed by a right-wing nephew last week!

I told my husband (his side of the family...) that I am only going to post positive stuff, not negative. I think that's a fair compromise.

Ultimately, we aren't going to change anyone's mind with FB posts! But once the DNC convention starts and I'm all warm and fuzzy, ain't NOTHING going to stop me from spouting! Hang in there, CC!

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
13. The issue seems to be that you feel "muzzled," "trapped" and "constrained."
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:55 AM
Aug 2012

Either you feel comfortable talking about these things with acquaintances, or you don't.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
14. I used to confront right-wingers on FB.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:56 AM
Aug 2012

I'd refute their BS with facts and attempt to engage in a civil debate. That was impossible. They don't care about the truth and will never ever admit they're wrong no matter how well you make your argument. When proven wrong they will either start trying to turn the conversation around on you personally or just keep changing the subject.

They are almost always unreasonable and rude, so now I just either ignore their stupid posts or I share this image and unfriend them.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
16. I don't think minds are changed via Facebook posts. IMO. . . .
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:05 AM
Aug 2012

But seeing old high school "friends" who have "liked" Romney, does help me know who to remove from my news feed!!!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Trapped?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aug 2012

By a freakin' internet page? Your OWN internet page, fer cripes sake?

What is it you are afraid of? Some asshole might 'defriend" you? As if these morAns are your "friends" to begin with.

It's ok for them to post BULLSHIT that offends your intelligence, but you can't post the honest truth to debunk their BULLSHIT? Are you kidding?

People can only treat you as badly as you allow them to.

A large part of the reason our Nation is in the hole it is, is because we have let these assholes spout their BULLSHIT and not slapped them down. If you don't have the stuff it takes to stand, then don't be surprised that you are made to kneel.


CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
24. You are right...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:17 AM
Aug 2012

...and the issue is not so much her post--but that I choose to remain silent.

You said it very well and your smackdown of me is spot on.

I would have no problem commenting in person. I have done so on many occasions. Facebook is different--because the person isn't talking directly to you. It's kind of a passive aggressive medium. People can spout off on their page, because it is their page. But when you respond in kind--you look confrontational and like you are righting.

I know...I know! I need to work on this.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
30. Thanks for taking my words in the spirit..
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

.. they were intended. I don't hesitate anymore to give the 'em truth and (as FDR put it so elegantly) they think it's hell. If they want to continue into a civil discussion of the issues, fine, if they get rude, they're gone after ignoring one warning not to go there.


I've yet to find a single one of those I've zapped to have any affect on my life.


But on a larger front, we have to stand up to these Bozos, EVERY time they spout their nonsense. It's the only way we'll ever change the direction of this Nation.


On a more personal note. I've got a FB problem I have yet to figure how to confront. My son has a close friend who was diagnosed with breast cancer. He's put together a walk and asked for us to support it. Problem is that he's doing it through the Susan G. Komen Foundation which as we all know is run by RW toadies. I wouldn't donate a nickle to them if I were a millionaire. I have yet to find the words to explain to him why I can't join in and still maintain what has always been a great father/son relationship. But I will and it will be the truth. (See, giving "tough love" advice is easier than living it. *lol*)

Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
20. Well in a way she's right.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:12 AM
Aug 2012

Under the repub plan people won't even bother going to the doctor, they'll just say "fuck it!", stay home and bleed to death, so yes, the wait times will get shorter.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
22. One of the biggest holds the right has on people is their belief ...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:13 AM
Aug 2012

that all the people like themselves think that way. Everyone in their church. Everyone in their social circles. Everyone in their profession. Everyone with an upper middle-class lifestyle.

They need to know that it isn't so. Don't try to change their minds. Just let them know that you disagree.

rhiannon55

(2,671 posts)
23. I can relate. My long-lost niece just found me on FB;
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:14 AM
Aug 2012

she's my first husband's sister's daughter, and I haven't seen here since she was a child. She is now 50 and has friended me on FB. Her mother was my favorite sister-in-law in those days and she was my favorite niece. She says she has been looking for me for the longest time because I was her favorite aunt. She is THRILLED to have found me and my daughters--her messages have been effusive. I also have fond memories of her and would love to get to know her again. HOWEVER, she is a Republican who thinks President Obama is evil, and she is a born-again Christian who talks a lot about Jesus and salvation and hell. I, on the other hand, am an Obama-supporting tree-hugging liberal. She and I have not gotten past the "Yay! We've connected again!" phase enough to have discussed any of this, but I've been reading her timeline. Eek!!!!

Maybe my timeline will freak her out, as well. I kind of feel bad for her, though. She was SO excited to find me. Sigh.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
27. It's ironic because SHORT LINES are suppose to be a benefit of the current system
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

They claim universal health care will increase lines! But of course everyone knows now we have lines and waits built into the system. I think either you get the irony that there already aren't these mythical short lines/instant access now, or you spend your life like that facebook poster fearing the mythical world that already exists. Frankly that would be my response "why do you fear the mythical world of long lines, that clearly already exist?", but they won't get it.

EC

(12,287 posts)
29. All you really need to say or do.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

Is to ask, "How so?" or "You really believe that?" or "Really?"

Just make her think before posting.

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
33. SMH
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:53 AM
Aug 2012

You actually have to get used to it, I suggest de-friending her, works for me, and my Facebook page never gets this type of crap. Democrats tend to think before they post, the GOP just rants like mindless cavemen, which is why FOX and rightwing Radio are in business, they think for their audience and throw out the propaganda 24/7. It boils down to “Thinker vs. Non-Thinkers”.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
35. Ask her if it would be more acceptable to her as "Romneycare" since he is the one who put the system
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:05 PM
Aug 2012

in place initially in Massachusetts.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
38. Actually, all my Republican friends are in Facebook political hell with me...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

cause I don't let ANYTHING go by. To the point that they have stopped talking about it. I am rarely nasty, but I correct every single misstatement I come across. It is a compulsion. I am literally losing sleep and my house looks like a tornado has been through it, but there isn't a single false statement about my President or my party or country that I will let go uncorrected.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
40. I just nicely disagree with them. Like "I certainly don't think that is what's going to happen
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

because I think (insert disagreed point here)." Also if the situation fits, I will post a snopes link debunking whatever right-wing lie has been posted.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
41. I have FB friends that do much the same -
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Aug 2012

- and I just change the settings so that they're an "acquaintance" and not a friend and so that I only get "life events" from them. Not sure how FB defines a life event but I quit getting all the crap that they post on their wall.

I don't do any political opinions on FB. My FB is a spot for fun stuff, for communicating with friends and relatives, with keeping track of local events and the weather. If I want political stuff, there's 1,001 other spots on the internet to get it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
42. This is exactly why, while I have a FaceBook account,
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Aug 2012

I simply use it to keep track of a very small handful of people. I never post anything on my own page, and I only post the occasional Happy Birthday wish on anyone else's.

My refusal to put anything political out there on something like FB stems in large part from living 18 years in Kansas, where I learned to be incredibly circumspect in any political-type statements.

I likewise noticed that a high school classmate (one of maybe six such I've friended) "liked" Romney. I'm appalled, but I have no intention of opening any kind of discussion with her. I won't bother to defriend her, but if she starts posting a lot of right-wing stuff I'll simply block her comments from appearing on my page, as I've already done with one or two others.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
44. On the one hand
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:23 PM
Aug 2012

this is exactly why I have a "no politics on Facebook" rule. It drives me crazy sometimes, because I do have at least one old friend who's a Fox-News-talking-point-spouting Zionist and a cousin who's similar (without the Zionism), and they both post outrageous BS that's just screaming to be countered/corrected. I also have a good friend who's a GOP political operative, but she's more circumspect. So I just leave it all alone; I know what I believe, I know what they believe, and I know no one's going to change anyone else's mind, at least on Facebook.

That being said, you don't have to pick a fight. You could actually respond politely, with something like this:

"Actually, it's a common misconception that the Affordable Health Care for America Act will change our relationship with our doctors. The fact is, it largely regulates the insurance industry, not the medical profession, and so has little impact on those of us who already have insurance and access to medical care."

But like I said, I wouldn't do it; I get where you're coming from.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
45. If Facebook is such a pain to you, why participate?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

If you don't think you can express your opinion via Facebook, why not express it face to face?

There are ways to do so that are even polite and mannerly, and are actually best done one on one.

I swear, people are losing social skills at an increasingly higher and higher rate because of this national infatuation with social media.

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