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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:35 PM Aug 2012

Don't respond to Romney by denying you are poor

I don't think the problem with what Mitt said is that he somehow defamed "us" by suggesting we are losers on welfare. People on welfare aren't losers and maybe some of us have been on welfare. Why wouldn't people that have needed help be part of our coalition?

What he is doing is dividing us. We should protest that, and respond by showing solidarity.

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Skittles

(153,164 posts)
1. I don't think it is a slam against the poor
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:38 PM
Aug 2012

it is a slam against Mitt's assertion that Obama's base is primarily poor and black - Obama's base is extremely diversified (rich, middle class, poor, old, young, all colors) and the RNC just cannot have that be known! They're playing the race card BIG TIME.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
2. I think you are utterly missing the point
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:41 PM
Aug 2012

The issue isn't whether people on public assistance are "losers", the issue here is Romney trying to define everyone who supports the President as being "on welfare" (code for black). The fact is the vast majority of Americans and the vast majority of the President's supports are not on public assistance. Pointing this out as fact doesn't amount to calling people on public assistance losers. This is not a point that should be ceded to Romney as he tried to influence low information white voters.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
4. Poverty is also a major issue and there is a
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:47 PM
Aug 2012

Stigma. The poor have precious little voice as it is. Poor and a member of a minority group leaves you even more scorned.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
8. I don't understand what one has to do with the other.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:00 PM
Aug 2012

Are you suggesting I can't be an advocate for the poor because I am not poor? Robert Kennedy might well have disagreed. No one is stigmatizing the poor by pointing out what Romney is doing in trying to define the President's "base".

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. I'm not saying that at all.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:37 PM
Aug 2012

My point throughout this thread has been that Romney is trying to stigmatize the President's base by playing a version of Reagan's welfare queen meme. The pushback needs to be that being lower income is not a mark of shame. It does not make you less of a person that Romney or his crowd. The President's base must step up and own that we are NOT the 1%, but the 99%, and some of us happen to be at the lower end of that curve.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. The GOP ALWAYS pretends that all welfare recipients
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

(for some strange reason) VOTE for Dems...and AS ALWAYS it is a lie that they keep going...ie...the same as when they pretend to be 'strong' supporters of the military, which is another BOLDFACE LIE.

Basically, Mitt is doing NOTHING original or outside the GOP box.

This is just more blatent falsehoods by the GOP...their bread and butter imo.



They discovered that there is a certain amount of the American populace that will believe whatever the GOP/Foxnews tells them is true (because they are lazy idiots that can never check the facts out for themselves).

So when Mitt says something about people on welfare voting for Obama, he is doing exactly what the GOP playbook states to do.

If their braindead followers would just take half a second to realise Mitt is insulting THEM, naw they would still vote for the GOP.

All the GOP has is hate and fear to play with...but it works well with their zombie horde voters.



CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
9. Irony: the majority of welfare recipients are white
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:18 PM
Aug 2012

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it never ceases to amaze me how the Republican Party can unfairly project their biases and prejudices onto others.

It matters not to me that a probable majority (given the poor, rural whites who voted for McCain) of the poor white people on welfare actually voted Republican in 2008. I want to live in a country that helps everyone who needs it.

But to hear this help be twisted into an in accurate diatribe against black people and unfairly paint them as "poor" welfare recipients is an outrageously offensive dog whistle (read: "lazy&quot on top of a projection.

Romney is bad mouthing his own base, and they are too selfish and entitled to realize it. It's okay for them to be poor and on welfare, but not for "you people".

Edited to clarify I should have written food stamp recipients, not welfare- food stamps being a part of welfare, but not the entire sum of the programs

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. It is a mystifying approach (IMO) that works like a snake charmer.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

Very bizarre how lazy people (that don't want to check their facts and believe everything FOX tells them as gospel) are MAD at supposedly 'lazy' people (that are NOT lazy at all).

I believe the GOP is the party of massive brain rot.

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
14. it's a delberate psychological strategy
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:51 PM
Aug 2012

used in warfare and as terrorism. suits the GOP.

deny, project, attack other for what you are doing. When they cry out loud, kick them.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
12. They've always pretended that welfare recipients are somehow the "other" and
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:24 PM
Aug 2012

not Americans too. That is a myth that must be debunked.

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
7. For Latter-day Saints ...attending to the needs of the poor is service to God
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:58 PM
Aug 2012

Strong condemnations are repeated against those who refuse to share with the poor.

http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Poverty,_Attitudes_Toward

(Brigham Young University).


Mitt, you deserve condemnation ...especially from your fellow Mormons. Your position on those in need due to the devastating policies of Republican and Corporate greed is shameful. Your pathetic insults at children, babies, disabled, elderly, single mothers whose husbands died fighting wars, or died early, the unemployed, the layoffs - ahem - which is the fault of you and your party refusing to work on behalf of the people due to the seething, festering hatred they spew daily at President Obama and the rest of us.

Those Mormons who stay silent also deserve condemnation. However, I guess if Mitt wants to push Mormonism back this is a great way to do it. He's either a fraud or the church backs him even going against their own beliefs. Any way you look at it, it will hurt the church.

haele

(12,659 posts)
10. I'm not poor. I'm not wealthy. But if the economy keeps going the way it is, I'll be on the street
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:19 PM
Aug 2012

The issue is there are less and less job with living wage opportunities for a increasingly larger segment of Americans. While investors continue to rake in an increasing amount of wealth from the national GDP, that is not being realized by the majority of those citizens who need to work for a living.

Who is the employer of last resort when private employers no longer hire or pay living wages? Who holds the social safety net for those who aren't capable of working the fewer jobs that are out there - for whatever reason?

"Charity", which can make it's own rules on whether or not an applicant is "deserving" enough to get help or how the charity is administered, can be dependent on outside sources and influences to the community, and can turn one away for any reason?

Or the government, who is required by law to live by transparent administrative rules, serve each citizen equally and without judgment as to race, gender, age, politics, religion, or physical capability and to at least provide a minimum level of sustainability because each able bodied citizen pays taxes to support it?

Charity might get you a job, but it won't be a job with a living wage in which you can save or invest for a future, because the nature of Charity is that it is a hand-out from the patrons of that charity, and one is supposed to be mindful of the "bonds of gratitude" that the charity is even there.

The government is truly the entity of last resort. The difference is that while charity is based on giving excess wealth to feel good or "pay back" for something, government has a vested interest to invest in it's citizenry and ensure that everyone who is able to work can work and sustain not only themselves but provide for common services that would be unimaginably expensive if not spread over the population at large.

Take that away, and the half of your citizenry that needs a helping hand up (rather than a "hand out&quot to survive falls through the cracks and ends up on the street. Historically, such an unregulated, predatory underground economy as the street creates a growing corruption in the society at large as the poor and sinking worker classes fight each other to survive, and it looks as if we as a nation are going to have to re-learn that lesson without a frontier to send our "excess" population of now a couple-dozen million citizens to either thrive or die trying.

In the Gilded Age, even those who thought themselves wealthy plutocrats weren't immune to the corruption of the unregulated street economies. They would have continued to eat their own if Pres. T. Roosevelt hadn't started regulating and reining in their pampered, self-entitled asses.

Haele

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