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highplainsdem

(49,015 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:04 AM Aug 2012

FactCheck.org on "Ryan’s VP Spin" - "several false claims and misleading statements"

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

TAMPA, Fla. — Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention contained several false claims and misleading statements. Delegates cheered as the vice presidential nominee:

- Accused President Obama’s health care law of funneling money away from Medicare “at the expense of the elderly.” In fact, Medicare’s chief actuary says the law “substantially improves” the system’s finances, and Ryan himself has embraced the same savings.
- Accused Obama of doing “exactly nothing” about recommendations of a bipartisan deficit commission — which Ryan himself helped scuttle.
- Claimed the American people were “cut out” of stimulus spending. Actually, more than a quarter of all stimulus dollars went for tax relief for workers.
- Faulted Obama for failing to deliver a 2008 campaign promise to keep a Wisconsin plant open. It closed less than a month before Obama took office.
- Blamed Obama for the loss of a AAA credit rating for the U.S. Actually, Standard & Poor’s blamed the downgrade on the uncompromising stands of both Republicans and Democrats.

And when he wasn’t attacking Obama, Ryan was puffing up the record of his running mate, Mitt Romney, on taxes and unemployment.

Taking Money from Medicare?

Ryan continued the campaign’s false line of attack that Obama had “funneled” money out of Medicare to pay for the federal health care law “at the expense of the elderly.” But that’s contradicted by Medicare’s chief actuary, in a statement at the end of the most recent report of the system’s trustees (our emphasis added):

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As far as I've been able to tell by checking both Google News and Twitter tonight, Ryan's speech is getting as much attention for its inaccuracies as for its appeal to the GOP base.
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FactCheck.org on "Ryan’s VP Spin" - "several false claims and misleading statements" (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2012 OP
Yep! imanamerican63 Aug 2012 #1
stinkin' facts renate Aug 2012 #2
K&R! Cha Aug 2012 #3
USA Today has the FactCheck.org article this morning: highplainsdem Aug 2012 #4
R#13 & K n/t UTUSN Aug 2012 #5
ReTHUGs have already declared that they ahve no intention of allowing malaise Aug 2012 #6
LYIN' RYAN: as reported by the media NJedwina Aug 2012 #7
This deserves it's own OP Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #8
The Sleeper Campaign Issue bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #9
Like the bratty little brother... icarusxat Aug 2012 #10
Lying is the Republicans' only hope for they would lose the general election, several Senate seats, indepat Aug 2012 #11
When all you have is bullshit... Harry Monroe Aug 2012 #12
I'm Frightened oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #13

imanamerican63

(13,807 posts)
1. Yep!
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 03:38 AM
Aug 2012

It seem that is all Ryan and Romney can do! Blame Obama for everything that the Bush's administration did to put us is this horrific economy mess. No, it is not perfect, but is a lot better than it was and better than it would be under their plans. The republicans have a problem with the truth and spew out words that have no meaning. I am a middle of the road person, but I can see if I drift to the right, I will not like it. I can not fathom the thought of letting these 2 men and their cronies get control again.

malaise

(269,111 posts)
6. ReTHUGs have already declared that they ahve no intention of allowing
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
Aug 2012

fact-checkers to get in the way of their campaign agenda.

NJedwina

(9 posts)
7. LYIN' RYAN: as reported by the media
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:49 AM
Aug 2012

New here, so I am not able to start a thread yet. I want to have all the media pushback in one link that we can send around to the MSM fluffers to perhaps shame them into stop fluffing and report on Ryan's Lies.

Dave Weigel:
"incredible string of false or misleading statements"
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/paul_ryan_s_speech_included_an_incredible_string_of_false_or_misleading_statements_.html

Joan Walsh:
"His Republican National Convention speech was stunning for its dishonesty"
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/paul_ryans_brazen_lies/

Jonathan Cohn:
The Most Dishonest Convention Speech ... Ever?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

TPM:
Top 5 Fibs In Paul Ryan’s Convention Speech
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

Michael Tomasky:
"Paul Ryan pushed American politics into new territory with his convention speech, effectively daring Democrats and the media to call him out on his string of blatant falsehoods"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/30/michael-tomasky-on-paul-ryan-s-convention-speech-and-his-web-of-lies.html

Jonathan Bernstein:
Paul Ryan fails -- the truth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html#pagebreak

AP:
FACT CHECK: Convention speakers stray from reality
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-oHGoQbH0RmoY7rNL47-I6BYziA?docId=dc7b2d4bcfab405989965fd9505a1aff

Dan Amira:
Paul Ryan Bets on the Ignorance of America
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/paul-ryan-rnc-speech-lies-fact-check.html

Fox News contributor, Sally Kohn:
“Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz252BejeYA
Steve Benen:
Paul Ryan stands on a foundation of lies
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/30/13566768-paul-ryan-stands-on-a-foundation-of-lies

Huffington Post:
PAUL TALES: RYAN MISLEADS, AGAIN AND AGAIN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/paul-ryan-address_n_1841819.html

Politicsusa:
5 Biggest lies in Romney’s speech:
http://www.politicususa.com/5-biggest-lies-paul-ryans-rnc-acceptance-speech.html

Bob Cesca:
Paul Ryan’s Speech: Lies, Lies and More Lies
http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/08/paul-ryans-speech-lies-lies-and-more-lies.html

Washington Post Editorial Board:
Mr. Ryan’s misleading speech
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-ryans-speech-effective-maybe-but-definitely-misleading/2012/08/30/a9b4e690-f227-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_story.html?hpid=z4

Factcheck.org
“Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention contained several false claims and misleading statements.”
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

bucolic_frolic

(43,242 posts)
9. The Sleeper Campaign Issue
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aug 2012

may well be how unqualified Ryan is to be President.

He's not much more than Sarah Palin without the shrill whinies

and with piles and piles of lies.

You can make numbers be anything you want them to be

and that is Ryan's forte.

It's am implicit issue at this point, but I think the public will come
around and hopefully the Obama campaign will exploit it as well.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
10. Like the bratty little brother...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:15 PM
Aug 2012

who breaks stuff and then blames you. Lack of gravitas and lack of truth. Lyin' Ryan? Let's hope that line gets some traction.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
11. Lying is the Republicans' only hope for they would lose the general election, several Senate seats,
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:22 PM
Aug 2012

and a colossal number of seats in the House should they tell the truth.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
13. I'm Frightened
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:34 AM
Aug 2012

What truly scares me is that the true blue Republicans don't see the inconsistencies and are eating Ryan's rhetoric up. Is that much of the nation delusional and full of hate?

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