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highplainsdem

(49,044 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:38 AM Sep 2012

Tampa Bay Times editorial: Romney's lean, mean Medicaid plans for nursing home residents

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/romneys-lean-mean-medicaid-plans-for-nursing-home-residents/1252778

As the presidential campaign unfolds, the differences in approaches to Medicare by President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney have taken center stage. But what is getting far less scrutiny: Romney's plans for Medicaid. He would convert the health care program for the poor, disabled and elderly into a block grant to the states and sharply reduce funding over time. Middle-class Americans should be especially wary, since it's Medicaid, not Medicare, that covers nursing home care for aged and infirm parents and grandparents. Without Medicaid's safety net, it isn't clear what those Americans would do, and Romney doesn't have any good answers.

It's an understandable confusion. People think that since Medicare covers medical services for people over 65, it also pays for nursing home care for elderly people. Medicaid is thought of as a poverty program that provides medical coverage to poor families. But Medicaid is the program that provides long-term care to the elderly and disabled, which accounts for 31 percent of the program's $400 billion annual federal and state spending. Most of the nation's 1.8 million nursing home residents, including more than 77,000 Floridians, rely on Medicaid to pay their bills.

Medicaid's nursing home beneficiaries are not necessarily poor people. During their working years they may have lived productive middle-class lives until becoming infirm and quickly exhausting their assets. No matter how assiduously families save for retirement, there aren't many who could long afford the steep costs of a residential nursing home that can run an average of $80,000 a year. Without Medicaid's essential safety net, members of this vulnerable population would be on their own or might be forced to live with relatives ill equipped to care for their intensive needs.

There is an irony to Romney running mate Paul Ryan's applause line at the Republican National Convention last month that "the truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves." It was Ryan who authored the plan to convert Medicaid from a strong federal-state entitlement to a block grant program to the states that Romney has incorporated into his campaign. The plan, passed as a budget blueprint by the Republican-controlled House, would gut Medicaid's safety net and focus instead on cutting funds. The nonprofit Center for Budget and Policy Priorities says Medicaid funding would decline by one-third by 2022 under Ryan's plan.

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Tampa Bay Times editorial: Romney's lean, mean Medicaid plans for nursing home residents (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2012 OP
This should hit home with a lot of boomers. russspeakeasy Sep 2012 #1
If they don't watch Faux! nt BlueToTheBone Sep 2012 #2
this is an important article. salin Sep 2012 #3
How many good FL citizens.. ananda Sep 2012 #4
It's important to share it on social media via the links on the Tampa Bay Times page, highplainsdem Sep 2012 #7
I'd bet a fair amount. elleng Sep 2012 #8
Get the word out, make the article have legs. This is a good one to make copies of and nc4bo Sep 2012 #5
People ON Medicare know full well what it does and does not cover. It's YOUNGER Americans who need WinkyDink Sep 2012 #6
True AND elleng Sep 2012 #9
Yet Despite Seniors' Knowledge They Stay in The Republican Camp - It's Mind Boggling to Me n/t Indykatie Sep 2012 #12
Kicked. n/t Still Sensible Sep 2012 #10
Again M_M Sep 2012 #15
K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #11
It might be time to do an ad with real people in different circumstances using R/R's plan nc4bo Sep 2012 #13
Ah. The rMoney plan is like Logan's Run Paulie Sep 2012 #14
K&R/nt skeewee08 Sep 2012 #16
Can someone more in the know.. zentrum Sep 2012 #17
I'm not sure, was that you who asked the question in the comments section? nc4bo Sep 2012 #19
IN about half the state adult children can be forced to pay for their parents nursing home McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #18
Culling the herd...now in print at last. Skidmore Sep 2012 #20
I know from experience exactly what this article is trying to explain. Grammy23 Sep 2012 #21
Your's is the voice that needs to be heard. You know the deal. nc4bo Sep 2012 #23
There is much education that needs to be done--- Grammy23 Sep 2012 #25
They'll probably name it The Extended Family Plan cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #22
Yes, and families today are scattered--- Grammy23 Sep 2012 #24
Three of my four grandparents SheilaT Sep 2012 #27
This Deserves A Kick otohara Sep 2012 #26
kick highplainsdem Sep 2012 #28

highplainsdem

(49,044 posts)
7. It's important to share it on social media via the links on the Tampa Bay Times page,
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:37 AM
Sep 2012

or this DU page.

elleng

(131,188 posts)
8. I'd bet a fair amount.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:43 AM
Sep 2012

My folks, while living in Florida (and becoming elderly,) read the local papers every day.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
5. Get the word out, make the article have legs. This is a good one to make copies of and
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
Sep 2012

leave in doctor's office and in waiting rooms, at the local Hardee's where seniors congregate or in pharmacies where supplies used by older people or caregivers are displayed.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
6. People ON Medicare know full well what it does and does not cover. It's YOUNGER Americans who need
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Sep 2012

educating on this matter.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
13. It might be time to do an ad with real people in different circumstances using R/R's plan
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:10 AM
Sep 2012

instead of Medicare/Medicaid.

One situation could be adult children dealing with a parent with a stroke requiring nursing home care compare M/M to the R/R voucher plan.

2nd could be the M/M senior who have a condition requiring longterm treatment; cancer, etc. compare M/M to the R/R voucher plan.

Use real people. Use real figures for comparison. It could hit a nerve.


zentrum

(9,865 posts)
17. Can someone more in the know..
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:34 AM
Sep 2012

...than I tell me about the reputation of The Tampa Bay Times? Is it a mainstream, mainstreet paper or a "liberal" side event? Is it like the San Francisco Chronicle is is for the Bay Area or more like the East Bay Express, which has a much more pre-selected readership?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
19. I'm not sure, was that you who asked the question in the comments section?
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:30 PM
Sep 2012

Perhaps it really doesn't matter as much as you think as the article IS in the opinion/editorial section of the paper.

Even a right-wing rag would more than likely have a journalist with an opposing POV even if just to elicit the typical hostile backlash from their readers.

I'm sure someone will come in to answer your question.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
18. IN about half the state adult children can be forced to pay for their parents nursing home
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

bills. This is what will happen. Imagine being required to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for a deadbeat parent that was not there when you were growing up? The abuse of the elderly will sky rocket as families are forced to take in seniors that they would prefer not to have around.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
21. I know from experience exactly what this article is trying to explain.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

I agree with others who have said this article needs to be widely read and reprinted! All voters should read it or something akin to it before they vote in this election.

In 2006, after having my mother live with us for 3 years, we were no longer able to provide the kind of care she needed. She had Alzheimer's and assorted other medical problems a 92 year old woman might have. Shortly after our 3rd year of caring for her she suffered a gastric bleed and was sent home to us from the hospital without benefit of home health care or any other support. It only took us about 24 hours to realize what we were up against. So I went to our primary care physician (who had nothing to do with her hospitalization for the bleed) and got an immediate referral to home health care. That temporarily helped us until we were able to get her a referral to hospice care a couple of weeks later.

The hospice social worker made an assessment and through her, Mother was admitted to a nursing home. My mother had Social Security benefits, Medicare, a small annuity from her employment with the VA for 8 years as a nurse and Federal Blue Cross & blue Shield. She entered the nursing home under the MediCARE and it was to pay for her care for the first 20 days. After that she would have been enrolled in Florida MediCAID and her care would have continued without interruption or reduction of services. The social worker at the nursing home explained that since mother had no other assets to "spend down" her income (Social Security and Annuity) would be taken by the State for her care (except for a small amount each month to cover incidental expenses not covered by Medicaid) and the rest would be paid for by Medicaid. My husband and I were completely OK with this arrangement since there was no way on earth we could have absorbed the cost of her nursing home care without bankrupting ourselves or reducing ourselves into near poverty.

My mother, unfortunately, died two days later and so we never had the transfer to Medicaid. However, I have had other friends and acquaintances who told me that in their experience, the transfer would have been exactly as described by the nursing home social worker. The Romney Ryan plan is a nightmare in disguise for the elderly population living in the US. It is equally disastrous for those with disabled family members.

One thing about the way they are explaining their plan to the voters is the strategic use of Ryan's elderly Mother. He says that he would NEVER do anything to hurt his mother and I have no doubt he is telling the truth. What he DOES NOT tell us is that his mother likely would never need Medicaid since he is a wealthy (and upwardly mobile) man. She may even have long term care insurance, something that most Americans do not have and cannot afford. So while being truthful about what he plans to do for his own mother, he is dishonest in explaining to voters and it is a meaningless (and disingenuous) tactic to use his Mother as his example.

One last point....and on this one I am not absolutely positive about whether this is true....maybe someone on this board can tell me the answer. I have read that under Romney and Ryan's plan the CHILDREN or other relatives of an elderly person needing nursing home care could be held responsible for those nursing home costs if the person does not have the means to pay for it themselves. If that is the case, then the generations coming after the Baby Boomers (I am a boomer, born in 1948) better listen up and find out the details about this. Because if this is true, then THEY are going to be on the hook for the care of their parents and grandparents. (Maybe even aunts and uncles....) Yikes!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
23. Your's is the voice that needs to be heard. You know the deal.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:45 PM
Sep 2012

America needs to hear your story along with others similar to yours.

Simply trying to explain these things is difficult without hearing from real people who have faced or are facing these issues.

How do we get stories like yours out there for the entire country to hear?

People must be able to apply the R/R plan to their own lives and lives of their family.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
25. There is much education that needs to be done---
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:56 PM
Sep 2012

As the article stated, many people incorrectly ASSUME that Medicare will cover their nursing home costs. It does....but for only a limited amount of time. Say you are in the hospital and need a short time to get back on your feet. You can go to a nursing home for ...I think it's 20 days. After that, you're on your own, unless you have LONG TERM CARE or MediCAID to pick up the cost. If you have resources, depending on what those resources are, you may be held responsible for the cost.

Many of us who are seniors (and who are approaching those so-called "golden years&quot need FACTS and simple explanations. Our children need this explained to them, too. If they will be the "next in line" to absorb the cost for mom and dad's nursing home bills, don't you think that they need to know what they are getting themselves in for if they vote for Romney-Ryan? If they STILL vote for those two, at least then they can't say they weren't warned!

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
22. They'll probably name it The Extended Family Plan
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:40 PM
Sep 2012

That worked when most lived on farms and had extra space ... and time ... for other generations. But it doesn't work very well today, and especially not with a sick or infirm elder parent.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
24. Yes, and families today are scattered---
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:50 PM
Sep 2012

Literally from coast to coast and sometimes around the world. When all of your family lived within 10 miles of each other (or most of them did), it was not such a stretch to take Grandma in when she got old and sick. In fact, it was the common thing that they did. I also remember my mother talk about during the Great Depression when folks were so strapped for money, it was not uncommon for families to share their housing with other family members in need. There were a number of relatives, according to my mother, who lived with her family over that time period. They came and went as dictated by their economic circumstances. That was largely possible because they all lived at least within the same state. Most were in the same city.

For today's families when you factor in the number of households where all adults in the household are working outside of the home, that doesn't leave anyone to do "elder care". And when you have someone with dementia (even in early stages) you almost have to have someone responsible in the home at all times. Even if dementia is not an issue, sometimes very sick people need constant care, too. This is not something the average middle class household is prepared to do on a long term basis.
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. Three of my four grandparents
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:09 PM
Sep 2012

lived the last years of their lives with grown children. We are talking back in the 50's and 60's, and they, the grandparents, finished their working lives before social security. One grandparent died relatively young, which is why he didn't.

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