Flame me if you want but Ahmadinejad has spoken truth to power. Keeping out heads in the

[nanabugg]

sand will not erase the truth. Those who showed their disrespect by not sitting to listen to his speech are the ones who needed to hear it most. The spin is in. The message is much bigger and more important than the messenger. His words in the mouth of someone else would be regarded as historical.

[randome]

1. So...anything that comes out of his mouth is golden? Or did you refer to something specific?

[cthulu2016]

2. best part was when he said the world was created a few thousand years ago

(for real)

[CreekDog]

3. are his views about homosexuality "truth"?

you can't get around this issue, by the way, try as you might to ignore/minimize it.

[nanabugg]

6. To any people even here in the US, this is truth. One can disagree with some of his specific religi

religious beliefs but much of his speech was truth to the power elite of the industrial world. And you tell me what country would not feel unsafe surrounded by nukes and enemy missiles?

[cali]

14. So you think his denying the Holocaust is a religious belief?

And how about his views on gay people? Religious beliefs again?

And it's your opinion that he's speaking some undying truth. don't attempt to speak for others, dear.

[CreekDog]

44. Killing homosexuals and ranting at them is just "specific religious beliefs"?

i don't think so.

[MineralMan]

46. How about to you? Is it truth to you?

You see, you come here praising the man, without reservation, in your OP. When people point out the non-praiseworthy nonsense he speaks, you waffle. So, which is it. Is he praiseworthy or not praiseworthy? Think carefully before answering.

[cali]

18. You will not get an answer.

I for one, can only come to one conclusion about the OP.

[LiberalAndProud]

49. Your conclusion, was it close to this assessment?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=280099&sub=trans

[obamanut2012]

57. Yay Skinner!!! Very nice!

[cali]

65. It was almost exactly that. Thanks to Skinner for this.

[Cha]

75. nanabugg I hardly knew ye. But, could

not the hell believe what you just wrote!

[Berlum]

4. What did he say?

Toss us a clue...a link...anything...

[cali]

5. when? and so what if some of what comes out of his mouth is "truth"

I put truth in quotes because truth is primarily a subjective concept. Do you understand why? Facts are objective though obviously they can be manipulated in a dishonest way, but "truth" is almost always opinion.

As for Ahmadinejad, he's said too many truly vile things to be taken seriously in any concept. This is a man who denies the Holocaust. Do you agree with him? Do you understand WHY that's vile? This is a man who supports killing gays. Do you agree with him? Do you even grasp why that's wrong.

I have no idea, as of yet, what he said in his U.N. speech, but even if every word is a priceless pearl of received wisdom, it doesn't negate his past utterances (and I mean near past) or what he's done.

[Codeine]

7. God I hate the phrase "truth to power."

The very height of trite.

[cali]

8. me too. meaningless. incredibly stupid

uttered by people who couldn't think outside cliches if their lives depended on it.



Man, I hate stupid.

[LeftishBrit]

9. Apart from anything else, a president cannot speak 'truth to power'; he IS power

Actually there is only one individual with real power over Ahmadinejad; it is the Ayatollah Khamenei. If Ahmadinejad really wanted to 'speak truth to power' he could tell Khamenei to stop being such a bloody theocratic right-winger, and refuse to propagandize for him any more. But if he did that, it would certainly be the end of his political life, and very possibly his actual life. But that could be speaking 'truth to power'; going off in a rant at the UN isn't.

[nanabugg]

10. Final word: I guess "tolerance" is 'in the eye of the beholder.' (another cliche). nt

[cali]

16. of course you're running out on your own inflammatory thread.

It's what you always do.

I suggest you read E.M Forster's famous essay on tolerance. Easy to find on the internet. In no way, shape or form is Ahmadinejad tolerant of others or other viewpoints.

As for me, I don't support being tolerant of hate or haters.

[obamanut2012]

40. this totally

[99Forever]

56. I'll second that.

And that piece of crap is definately a hater.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

23. Fuck him and what he represents.

Three Iranian men have been executed after being found guilty of charges related to homosexuality, according to a semi-official news agency.

The men, only identified by their initials, were hanged on Sunday in the south-western city of Ahvaz, the capital of Iran's Khuzestan province.

"The three convicts were sentenced to death based on the articles 108 and 110 of Iran's Islamic penal code, for acts against the sharia law and bad deeds," the Isna agency quoted a judiciary official in Khuzestan as saying.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/07/iran-executes-men-homosexuality-charges

[ikl]

11. Alaminejhad

You are correct.He did speak some truth and facts,but sadly when one is branded as an enemy no matter what he/she says or does,it is all regarded as garbage.
the fact is though no matter what,truth and justice will always prevail,one can hide the truth for long,but never forever,and whatever is done under the darkness of night,will surely come to light,as long as the sun rises,so one should not fear the truth,no matter who is telling it.
Iran's leader will reap what he sows,and so will everyone else.
We will all reap what we sow,no matter how clever we think we are in hiding it,no matter how rich and powerful and mighty we think we are,justice always prevail in the end

[nanabugg]

15. Peace. nt

[GObamaGO]

77. Because killing gay people (what your hero advocates) is ever so peaceful.

And yes, I know you sleep with the fishes now.

[cali]

17. I regard him as a vile bigot. I don't support hate and

haters. If a person who is bigot says something truthful amidst all the garbage they spew, that doesn't redeem them as long as they keep spewing hate. And he does.

[ikl]

45. Iran

Like I said before,he will reap what he sows,just like everyone else,but that does not deny the truth or facts that Justice will prevail in the end,there is no denying that,even if he is the devil.
We also have a lot of hate full bigoted wing White supremest people right here in the US who also deny the holocaust and refer to Jews and other colored people,as " MUD people,are they better than Iran's leader?
Hate and intolerance is the same no matter where it is from,and evil is evil,there is no lesser evil

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

24. Can I have some croutons to go with this word salad?

[cali]

12. I just have to say: You post the most incredible ops of anyone on DU.

I don't mean that in a good way.

[slackmaster]

13. I think homosexuality is a normal aspect of human sexuality, no more unnatural than blue eyes

Those who showed their disrespect by not sitting to listen to his speech are the ones who needed to hear it most.

I think he's a fucking bigot.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. I agree that he's a bigot.

Disgusting to see the OP telling a minority group under attack that we 'need to hear it'.

[Javaman]

19. a link or an excerpt would help.

otherwise I haven't a clue as to what you are referring to.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. So his anti gay material, that's also 'truth' needed by those who oppose that shit?

When any bigoted atavistic idiot says that sort of thing, I will never, ever listen to anything such a hate soaked fool might want to add to his attacks on minority groups. The message was one of intolerance and mendacity, the messenger a crass idiot who believes in and promotes libels against minority groups.

[cali]

22. I find it a little scary that people here could

be so naive (or something) that they embrace his speech. I just read the Guardian summary and it sounds like the OP fell for some line about Ahmadinejad calling for peace and harmony, which is simply ironic given his history.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. 'here' is a term of art...

wherever that poster may be, we can all of us see that when directly questioned about the anti gay rhetoric, even when confronted with a story of a recent execution of gay people the OP refuses to respond.

[PCIntern]

26. You're asking for an ad hominem attack which is against DU rules...

I won't give you the satisfaction except to say that this was the most ridiculous thing you've posted except for everything else you have ever posted.

[cali]

27. lol. +1

You just made me feel better.

The OP is depressing.

[rollin74]

28. fuck Ahmadinejad. He is a holocaust denier and anti-gay bigot among other things

dissenters and protesters in Iran have been terrorized and murdered by his government

he is not worthy of praise

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. He represents a level of hatred that is historical...and I wish it would stay that way

He makes the most vile US bigots look tame in so many ways...

[berni_mccoy]

30. This is one of the most inappropriate and insane things ever said on DU.

On Edit: ok some pretty insane and inappropriate things are said all the time. This goes beyond those. Just had to clarify. Thread should be hidden IMHO.

[obamanut2012]

38. agreed

[slackmaster]

41. We are an amazingly tolerant bunch, in some ways

[TeamPooka]

31. Ahmadinejad is an asshole.

[Agnosticsherbet]

32. Neda Agha Soltan would not agree with you,

but Abbās Kārgar Jāvid would.

The world is funny that way.

[nolabear]

33. Many thoroughly evil people use words very well.

I listened to the speech, initially not knowing who it was (radio, late tune-in). You're right that his imagined world was a beautiful one, right up to the part where he began to blame "Zionists" and talk about women's sacredness (on which heir oppresion in his country is based) and the threats imposed on his peaceful people, who want to wipe Israel off the map. He is pining for something built out of a warped ideal, and using universal longings to persuade. It's the trick of any fundamentalist.

[Nye Bevan]

34. Fuck Ahmadinejad (nt)

[obamanut2012]

35. So, Holocaust Denial and Homosexuality Being Evil is "truth to power"?

Is this Spongebob Bizarro Day on DU?

[WilliamPitt]

36. I make in my pants sometimes.

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[Dr. Strange]

42. Your pooping truth to power would still be more noteworthy than this OP.

[superpatriotman]

37. Ahmadinejad rooting for Bristol Palin on DWTS!

He is a BIG fan (and a BIG asshole)...

[quinnox]

39. Praising the Iran theocracy is as misguided as

thinking we in the USA are always the good guys and everything we do is noble and right.

[MicaelS]

43. Everytime Ahmadinejad opens his mouth...

It just gives more ammunition to the hawks who want to attack Iran. Eventually even people who are opposed to an attack on Iran, will throw up their hands and say "Fuck it, those fuckers running Iran really are a bunch of lunatics. Let's smash them now before they get nukes."

[LadyHawkAZ]

47. ...

The government didn’t beat the moonshine still, and whiskey has power just as coffee and tobacco do. Uncle Jess from Kentucky said, when I was a child, that the government would end up with whiskey in stores and would run the stills because people in government were the big crooks. I tell you what he said and I say this: You’re not going to beat drugs. I was in prison before people came to prison for drugs. I saw the government make the problem. From your foundation, you can’t help the people that don’t want help. You’ve got to go with the will of the people, or lose heart within your own government. You’re going to rip it apart and waste a lot of money.

Your war should be against pollution, and for putting trees back before you lose the air, water and wildlife. Take over the drugs and use their power to move people to work on CCC projects. Put the trees back fast, before the pollution destroys all life.

~Charles Manson to Ronald Reagan, 1986. The messenger does matter.

I have no idea what was said this time, but it's just possible that if Ahmadinejad wasn't such a lowlife bigoted fundie power-mad POS 99.99% of the time, then his broken-clock moments might gain more attention.

[MineralMan]

48. The Original Poster Has Been Escorted from the Building

PBUH....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=280099&sub=trans

[PCIntern]

50. It had recommended its own post...

See, I can talk like Rmoney...

[MineralMan]

52. Never a good sign, really.

I did that, by mistake, once. But I undid it as soon as I noticed.

[DavidDvorkin]

55. After 2200 posts!

That saddens me.

[MineralMan]

58. What about it saddens you?

It saddens me that it took so long. That poster's posts have bothered me for a long time.

[DavidDvorkin]

60. The number of posts makes me think of the poster as a regular DUer

as opposed to a troll who, say, posts anti-Obama crap within minutes or hours of joining.

However, I haven't been paying attention to what the poster in question posted before. I don't seem to be able to associate posts with posters' names, unfortunately.

[MineralMan]

62. I often can't either, but I had noticed this poster's posts.

They're often very strange for a Democratic forum, often straying very close to an edge that finally got crossed in this OP.

[William769]

51. When that ignorant no good piece of shit (Asshmadinejad)

Changes his stance on women and LGBT then and only then should he be given a spot at the grownup's table.

Until then, he can go FUCK himself!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

53. I sometimes wonder if some DUer realize their recs are public info:

3 members have recommended this thread (displayed in chronological order):
darkangel218 nanabugg patrice

[William769]

54. I am glad it is.

And in case you have not done it in awhile take a look at the people that have been blocked from the LGBT Group (hint,hint). Then you may understand a little better why people record these types of threads.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

63. No surprise with that long time DUer. None at all.

[MineralMan]

59. I sometimes think they do not know.

Perhaps that is a good thing in some cases.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

66. And I love it when they un-do their rec when they realize it can be seen See op.

[MineralMan]

68. Yes, that's interesting, too.

DU3's transparency is a very good thing, I think.

[stevenleser]

78. I'd like to hope that these folks arent bigots

From my experience, Ahmadumbjerk fans are fans because they think everything the US and Israel do geopolitically is evil and thus because he is against the US and Israel he is great. They cannot focus on anything else about him, his homophobia, his holocaust denial, and all the rest are completely lost in their worship of someone they see as standing up to their perception of their two bogeymen.

Of course, that might just be overly generous to those folks. (even though they wouldnt see it as generous)

[Spazito]

61. He is a homophobic, antisemitic crazy man who has NO power....

and, no, his speech would NOT be considered historical unless one is looking at the top 100 worst speeches to the UN.

Both the message and the messenger were appropriately boycotted, imo.

[pinto]

64. (aside) OP is no longer with us.

MIR Team (Skinner) banned nanabugg

Reason:
Kooky conspiracist, anti-semite, holocaust-denial-apologist, homophobe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=280099&sub=trans

DU Member for: 8 months, 10 days
Posts: 2,198
Recommendations: 214
Star member: No

[sakabatou]

67. Glad he's been TS'd

[Quantess]

69. That one kind of smelled for a long time now.

I sure hope "nana" isn't someone's grandmother. Or maybe that just means the grandkids will have wacky stories to tell...?

[Alduin]

70. He's a homophobic, Holocaust-denying POS.

The world would be a better place without him.

[spanone]

71. you been flamed alright.

[Ikonoklast]

72. Glad to see that one El Mirt'ed.

Vile.

[zellie]

73. That's as disgusting as it gets. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

74. You are not a serious person

[bluestate10]

76. Garbage can grow good vegetables if it is used right.

Ahmadinejad has said enough, spewing his hatred for Israel and denying the Holocaust. The man is a bastard. He deserve a full assembly of empty seats, he has nothing to say that is worth listening to.