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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:34 AM Oct 2012

Umm..you *can* debate a liar by calling out their LIES. Claiming the style won over substance meme

only concedes that style *WON*.

Not calling a lie a lie did NOT make President Obama look "presidential". It made him look like a chump.

Mitt showed fire in the belly. President Obama showed a lack of one, and we need to be clear about this: The American People are NOT going to vote for someone who doesn't FIGHT FOR THEM.

Yes, Mitt lied his ass off. This shows that Mitt can't defend Mitt's own plan. Mitt had to make the president's plan look like it was Mitt's plan. But saying that Romney's Mass health care plan looks just like ACA, Obama HELPED MITT'S MEME.

Fuck if I'm calling a loss something else because it acquiesces to my need to 'win'. We won't win if he doesn't FIGHT. And, no, I don't mean "Biden can take the gloves off" either. I mean OBAMA HAS TO FIGHT. Not his surrogates. Not his communications dept. Not me or even you. PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS TO *****FIGHT*****.

I recommend he spend a few days with the Big Dog to help him get scrappy.

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bettydavis

(93 posts)
1. Look, it's rope a dope
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:36 AM
Oct 2012

I wanted Barack to call him a friggin liar to his face too but he can't really do that. Uncle Joe don't give a f*ck. he will hand Ryan his a$$ and then the president can get a little more demonstrative in his frustration. Rmoney likend the 1st AA prez to one of his "boys" and DO NOT think for a MINUTE that Barack didn't hear that and process it. Check the vid, check his face. he did. He is holding back. Rope a dope honey. It will all work out. keep calm...

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
8. I don't think anyone wanted to see several news cycles dedicated to the "Romney won" meme, so I
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:17 PM
Oct 2012

highly doubt this was done on purpose.

skeewee08

(1,983 posts)
2. You no as well I if President O would have called him a lie
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:37 AM
Oct 2012

he would be label as the 'angr black man" there are 2 more debates President O will bring his A game. Robme showed his hand now Obama can go on offense.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
5. I truly hope you are right. Really. Because that wasn't "all fired up and ready to go"
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

that was "well I guess you can lie and i won't say anything"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
4. I hate to agree,but I do. Anyone who thinks the
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:53 AM
Oct 2012

next debates will be as important as the first debate is fooling themselves.Obama lost this one, not sure what the strategy was,but whatever it was,it didn't work.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
6. Oh, I think the next debates are just as important, and this one wasn't lost horribly,
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

but it was lost.

And Obama spoke for four minutes more than Romney so...

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
7. Exactly, lies MUST be challenged
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:03 PM
Oct 2012

and challenged instantly!

Obama's performance was abysmal; he had opportunities to clean Mitt's clock about his feigned empathy, about taxes and about the general hatred repukes have for both SS and Medicare which are hard fought legacies of DEMOCRATIC administrations (FDR, LBJ) and which repukes loathed from the outset and have steadily sought to destroy. FACTS, dammit! And he could have done it without wonkish, stupefying numbers.

We don't need cool; we need passion, someone who will call out the liar on his lies in a simple way for the simple minded sheeple.

I actually muted the debate because I couldn't take it after the first hour. Does he want to lose? This is no fucking chess game; this is the fight for the soul of this country… if it isn’t already too late!

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
9. Well I did notice that Romney's communications guy issued a retraction MINUTES after the debate nt
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:06 PM
Oct 2012

andym

(5,445 posts)
10. Great suggestion. Obama needs to spend some quality time with Bill Clinton
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:09 PM
Oct 2012

Clinton knows just how to dispatch bullying phonies like Romney.

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