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kpete

(72,145 posts)
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:14 AM Jul 2021

Too soon?

While the Twin Towers were still smoking and every intelligence agency was telling the Bush Administration they’d failed to act on one warning after another regarding al Qaeda, Donald Rumsfeld was already angling to turn the tragedy into an illegal, barbarous war against Iraq.


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Too soon? (Original Post) kpete Jul 2021 OP
Meh, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Rummy and his ilk... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #1
We're not exactly grieving here. Fire away. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #2
I wasn't wishing him a flight of angels Marthe48 Jul 2021 #3
I'm Thinking Of Saint Peter Pushing A Button... smb Jul 2021 #7
Good idea! Marthe48 Jul 2021 #28
That's a nice mental picture lunatica Jul 2021 #31
Rummy bdamomma Jul 2021 #4
How Donald Rumsfield Deserves To Be Remembered Pobeka Jul 2021 #5
Can't say the man didn't leave his mark PatSeg Jul 2021 #12
No he did not. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #22
And I suppose a megalomaniac PatSeg Jul 2021 #24
Unfortunately, those people are likely to achieve power in this paradigm. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #27
Yes, it certainly does PatSeg Jul 2021 #30
Not too soon... PsakiPswirli Jul 2021 #6
Not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but this is Donald Rumsfeld: War Criminal. rickyhall Jul 2021 #8
I had always been told....... MyOwnPeace Jul 2021 #11
That's how I see it FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #15
I always thought that was a rather silly rule PatSeg Jul 2021 #13
It really should only apply to family members and other associates. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2021 #17
Stalin, Saddam, Mussolini, Gaddafi PatSeg Jul 2021 #20
Never forget. Rachel did us all a favor with her walk down memory lane yesterday. nt Hekate Jul 2021 #9
May he be waterboarded for all eternity The Blue Flower Jul 2021 #10
Standing up! PatSeg Jul 2021 #14
I'll never forget his rationale for stating that standing for long periods was not torture: Aristus Jul 2021 #23
AND with the option to sit down, PatSeg Jul 2021 #25
Yeah, I forgot those. Aristus Jul 2021 #26
Yes and GW wasn't Churchill PatSeg Jul 2021 #29
Too late, really. milestogo Jul 2021 #16
Maddow gave him a eulogy befitting a bloodthirsty psycho. JohnnyRingo Jul 2021 #18
Wrong, and damned proud of it. Republican to the end. czarjak Jul 2021 #19
Even before 9/11, Rummy was preparing for war RVN VET71 Jul 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2021 #32
not too soon. rumsfuck is dead. should've happened long ago. nt orleans Jul 2021 #33

smb

(3,508 posts)
7. I'm Thinking Of Saint Peter Pushing A Button...
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jul 2021

...to trigger a spring-loaded platform to send him into a set of giant pinball bumpers that would bounce him around a bit and finally propel him onto a spiral slide to Hades.

bdamomma

(64,135 posts)
4. Rummy
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jul 2021

is done with his evilness. Now he will have to deal with the consequences have a hot welcome into hell.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
5. How Donald Rumsfield Deserves To Be Remembered
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 09:33 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/how-donald-rumsfeld-deserves-be-remembered/619334/

"Rumsfeld was the worst secretary of defense in American history. Being newly dead shouldn’t spare him this distinction. He was worse than the closest contender, Robert McNamara, and that is not a competition to judge lightly."

...

"Rumsfeld started being wrong within hours of the attacks and never stopped."

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
12. Can't say the man didn't leave his mark
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:20 AM
Jul 2021

History will remember him. I wonder if the monster had any regrets toward the end, though I rather doubt it.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
22. No he did not.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

At least he would never admit whether he did.

Rachel had on an author who wrote 3 books about the period of the Bush Admin and Rumsfeld's influence. Rumsfeld had been asked on many occasions and would always say that he had no regrets and made no mistakes.

He was a true ideologue and scumbag.

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
24. And I suppose a megalomaniac
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jul 2021

totally incapable of admitting he made any mistakes. Such people have been destroying what others have built throughout history, playing god with the world as if it was their own personal game board and the common folks, just their pawns. They really believe they are superior to the rest of us and any human loss or suffering is just collateral damage in their grand plan. Hey, life is messy, "stuff happens", but he doesn't give a damn.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
27. Unfortunately, those people are likely to achieve power in this paradigm.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:21 PM
Jul 2021

We certainly get our share of decent leaders like President Obama, President Biden, Nancy Pelosi, etc...

People like Trump, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, etc... tend to rise to powerful position because they have that megalomania and are not hindered in that pursuit. People like President Obama and Biden see power as a responsibility and a burden. They take it on because they think they can make a positive difference. People like Rumsfeld see power as a tool, to further their desires and augment their own interests.

The man literally lived in the house of Ed Covey, a man notorious for "breaking" slaves. Covey was featured in Frederick Douglas' writings. He was a horrid man and the ranch was a place of unspeakable torture. Rumsfeld bought it, presumably because he thought it was a cool historical house to live in. That says a lot about who Rumsfeld was.

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
30. Yes, it certainly does
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 02:50 PM
Jul 2021

I cannot imagine wanting to live in that house, but I suppose I can imagine someone like Rumsfeld choosing to live there. Hey, maybe it was haunted and he was plagued with the sounds of suffering.

I agree, the tyrants aren't hindered by principles and morality, which makes them that much more dangerous. Without such limitations, they can go further and faster, causing so much more suffering and pain.

MyOwnPeace

(16,987 posts)
11. I had always been told.......
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jul 2021

you should only say something 'nice' when speaking of the dead.

So, here goes:

Rumsfeld died? Nice!

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
13. I always thought that was a rather silly rule
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jul 2021

I suppose it might be true regarding petty crap, but a monster is a monster and death doesn't change that. People will be remembered by their deeds and this guy was a horrible human being.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,488 posts)
17. It really should only apply to family members and other associates.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:12 PM
Jul 2021

Not to public figures. People like Rumsfeld who are responsible for that much death & destruction don't deserve that courtesy

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
20. Stalin, Saddam, Mussolini, Gaddafi
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

When they died, no one said, "Don't speak ill of the dead". Now if it was your brother-in-law who rarely returned anything he borrowed, maybe it wouldn't be appropriate to complain about it at his funeral. War criminals? They don't get the same consideration.

Aristus

(66,820 posts)
23. I'll never forget his rationale for stating that standing for long periods was not torture:
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:41 PM
Jul 2021

"I use a stand-up desk at work for up to twelve hours a day."

Yeah. Fully-dressed. In an air-conditioned office. Not surrounded by rifle-toting thugs and barking attack dogs. Not frightened of the possibility of water-boarding or electrocution. Not forced into humiliating poses for the gratification of the dregs of American society.

Yeah, real hero there, Donald...

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
25. AND with the option to sit down,
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jul 2021

walk away, get something to eat, etc., whenever he chose. What a cruel soulless monster. He knew what was going on, but he just didn't care. The prisoners were not human beings to him and suffering was an inevitable byproduct of his plans. Cuz, you know, "stuff happens".

Aristus

(66,820 posts)
26. Yeah, I forgot those.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jul 2021

Which just shows how much we take such comforts for granted.

Nothing else quite proved that the Iraq War was not the World War II John Wayne daydream they were hoping it was going to be than this.

It used to be: "Wait until the Americans get into the war! Then you'll really be sorry!"

Now it's: "I hope the Americans don't get involved in the war. We'll really be sorry..."

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
29. Yes and GW wasn't Churchill
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jul 2021

except possibly in his own mind. The poor fool actually believed he was transforming the world for the better and that he would be redeemed by history. Meanwhile, the monsters like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz took advantage of George's delusions and naïve desire to be a better man than his father.

I agree that too many try to relive the heroics of World War II. How sad that countries now think, "I hope the Americans don't get involved in the war. We'll really be sorry..." How far we have fallen in such a short period of time.

JohnnyRingo

(18,816 posts)
18. Maddow gave him a eulogy befitting a bloodthirsty psycho.
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jul 2021

For those who missed it, she began with how that sociopath bought a Maryland home called "Mount Misery" where stubborn slaves were "broken" and tortured into submission, because of course he did.

Rummy probably paid a premium for the privilege.

RVN VET71

(2,713 posts)
21. Even before 9/11, Rummy was preparing for war
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jul 2021

PNAC lays it all out. All that was needed, these fascist bastards claimed in this published document, was another Pearl Harbor and they could rock and roll according to their thirst for blood and oil with the (almost) full and unquestioning support of the American media and people.

I don’t know that the Bush Administration plotted and planned 9/11 or even deliberately let down their guard to enable it -- but, goddammit, when the towers fell, they were ready to send in the troops! And their readiness was all because PNAC stressed the importance of being ready to take advantage of the new Pearl Harbor, if and when.

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