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KS Toronado
(17,846 posts)Besides McDougal was one of "THEM", not one of "US". Different rules for us vs them.
At least that's what reQublicOns believe.
jimfields33
(16,673 posts)Both these situations are different. Mcdogal went to jail for federal summons ignoring. Not a house summons.
Seinan Sensei
(406 posts)Her husband Jim McDougal knew things
Susan was not a mover/ shaker/ policy-maker
She went to jail mainly because she would not say nasty things about Bill C -- things that Ken Starr wanted her to stay
TomSlick
(11,230 posts)McDougal defied a subpoena from a federal grand jury, for which a contempt citation is an easy proposition. A grand jury subpoena is a writ of the court, which the court will be disposed to enforce. Enforcing a congressional subpoena is more complicated and something the courts would prefer to avoid.
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Mr. Ected
(9,678 posts)If we ultimately incarcerate these blights on humanity, they will project their own image upon us and call us fascist tyrants.
If we don't incarcerate, they will eventually assume control and throw our key representatives in prison on trumped up charges.
If the second supposition is correct (and I think it is), then I think we have no choice. Either way our goose may be cooked if they take over Congress and the White House. Might as well expose them now for the vermin they are and let the chips fall as they may.
Duppers
(28,151 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,338 posts)But words will never hurt me. Let them scream and yell about fascists all they want. Follow the precedent of law! Defiance means being charged and incarcerated. Tough tickies if they don't like it. Please remember, the only 'fascists' around are the rethugs. Don't let them command the conversation.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Jail the fuckers until they squeal.
Texin
(2,603 posts)As far as I know, congressional committees don't (really) have the physical capacity to incarcerate anyone who defies a committee summons. What facility exists in which this might happen?
Don't get me wrong. I believe these chucklehead Molotov bombers to the Constitution need to meet the consequences of their wrong-headed beliefs and their fascist actions to the nth degree. But there is nothing really that can be done with them unless criminal charges are brought against them, and Dems can't do that.
Grins
(7,372 posts)barbtries
(28,873 posts)follow the law.
marble falls
(58,681 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)refused to answer some of the questions. Everyone kept saying that they should hold him in contempt but they didn't. We're going to have to look into the matter. Maybe that was executive privilege claims.
calimary
(81,981 posts)Do what he did! Do you see him facing ANY consequences for it? Then? Or now?
You can SAY you went in and sat before the committee. The fact that you SHAT ON the committee just becomes the new how-to! Its the real-life immunity from any consequences.
Skulduggery for FREE!!!
sinkingfeeling
(51,674 posts)to answer Grand Jury questions.
Her refusal to answer "three questions" for a grand jury, on whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, led her to receive a jail sentence of 18 months for contempt of court. That made up most of the total 22 months she spent incarcerated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
WHITT
(2,868 posts)She went to prison because she refused to tell the grand jury the LIES that Starr was trying to force her to tell.
He belongs in prison.
louis-t
(23,371 posts)She had already testified.
SergeStorms
(19,217 posts)then fine them heavily, or put them in jail.
TFGs "executive privilege" is over with. His reign of terror is over with. He doesn't get to tell people what to do anymore. His fat ass belongs in jail.
gab13by13
(22,022 posts)the insurrection is stronger now than it was on 1/6, and growing.
kentuck
(111,242 posts)....and Merrick Garland has it under control. We don't know what we are doing or what we are talking about, etc.
It is becoming more dangerous for our democracy with each passing day.
The Justice System has been corrupted under Bill Barr and I don't know if it can recover?
vanlassie
(5,731 posts)SergeStorms
(19,217 posts)on MSNBC that they were considering a first offense fine of $100,000. That might get their attention, if they can legally do that. If they don't pay, off to jail with them. No more freaking around.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Poor followers for it
calimary
(81,981 posts)RVN VET71
(2,713 posts)the only question worth asking is why? If its because no action is taken against them because the Dems dont want to seem overly harsh, we are all likely screwed.
But if the Dems are unable to pursue criminal contempt charges because of some statute ot codicil of law, then the Dems ought to find a way around it, or at least try.
bucolic_frolic
(44,025 posts)Actual prison like real citizens serve time in
cstanleytech
(26,476 posts)doctors? Not to mention of course varies intelligence agencies and the military.
ecstatic
(32,925 posts)Like seriously, it's time. The "nice" act is no longer cute or endearing with so much at stake.
Moostache
(9,919 posts)Toss them in a hole and drop gruel and drip water down the walls.
Fuck these fools, make them actually see how much Trump would let them endure for nothing.
Charge them as accessories to insurrection, let them plead the 5th and then convict them all.
Or do what democratic leaders seem to always do - go noodle soft and cave to these assholes once more...
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(147,275 posts)Darwin2019
(217 posts)Testimony made up by Ken Star
Darwin2019
(217 posts)Testimony made up by Ken Star
nakocal
(580 posts)He also wanted her to lie.