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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:19 PM Oct 2012

Turns out we were wrong. Mitt is a veteran. Mitt did serve.

We now know that Mitt was an early volunteer in the war against women.

He served nobly and undercover, committing perjury about the likely value of Staples stock so that

this woman, Maureen Sullivan, would be defrauded of millions of dollars for the rest of her life.



Most right wing politicians fight the war on women from distance like the pilot of bomber and never get a chance
to inflict personal pain. They vote for measures that will cause damage from a distance.

A few others like Congressman Joe Walsh are able to inflict damage on to their own wives and children.

But it takes a special warrior to go out of your way to perjure yourself, to tell a court that your stock isn't as good
as it seems because you didn't do a good job as a CEO to help a friend steal money from his wife.

Mitt Romney, veteran in the war against woman.

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Turns out we were wrong. Mitt is a veteran. Mitt did serve. (Original Post) grantcart Oct 2012 OP
Any woman that votes for Mitt Romney is dumber than TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #1
+1 Stargazer09 Oct 2012 #3
Chickens for the Colonel. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #10
Exactly. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #12
Don't be insulting the dumd, or the deaf, or any other alter-anled persons Coyotl Oct 2012 #23
This is bad: it will shore up Romney's support from the Republican base... Blue Meany Oct 2012 #2
half of it anyway, lol grantcart Oct 2012 #6
I predict that on his radio show today Rush will trash her reputation TexasTowelie Oct 2012 #4
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #5
thank you Joe grantcart Oct 2012 #14
K&R. Mitt punished her for getting out Ilsa Oct 2012 #7
Im am sure Mitt somehow justified it... ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #8
Look out Gloria - Tagg will take a swing at you! Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #9
Excellent post malaise Oct 2012 #11
thanks grantcart Oct 2012 #13
He didn't serve, but he's about to BE served - a subpoena! George II Oct 2012 #15
Ouch!!! NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #16
thanks grantcart Oct 2012 #28
I used to just dislike the guy (living in MA) but now I truly despise him! FailureToCommunicate Oct 2012 #17
K and R goclark Oct 2012 #18
hey goclark keep your eye on NCarolina grantcart Oct 2012 #32
Can you imagine Mittens serving ON a jury? donqpublic Oct 2012 #19
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #20
K&R Media Lies Oct 2012 #21
Do you work at the courthouse? Have you heard anything off the record? MADem Oct 2012 #22
I am on a phone and can't cite the articles, but if you will read the grantcart Oct 2012 #25
I trust your veracity entirely--that's fascinating. I hadn't heard that. MADem Oct 2012 #35
How does one commit provable perjury when asked to speculate about a future business success? hughee99 Oct 2012 #24
whether it fits "legal perjury" will be seen but grantcart Oct 2012 #26
I'm not sure this even fits the category of "hiding assets", hughee99 Oct 2012 #29
It was reported two years ago and a documentary company seemed close to doing a documentary on grantcart Oct 2012 #30
Still, you have to speculate that they had money that wasn't being reported hughee99 Oct 2012 #39
It will be just one more lie to add to the mountain of lies and distortions that spew out of crunch60 Oct 2012 #38
Yes, it may add to a mountain, but a pattern is already pretty well established. hughee99 Oct 2012 #40
Here's Ann~ Calypso0956 Oct 2012 #45
Not just men. hobbit709 Oct 2012 #44
with the $ up, that was one hell of a vacation. grantcart Oct 2012 #46
Yup naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #47
A whole new demographic emerges...spouses male and female...who got screwed by exes... libdem4life Oct 2012 #27
and wives that worry that they may get screwed in the future grantcart Oct 2012 #31
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #33
tks grantcart Oct 2012 #42
Romney started Bain with DEATH SQUAD money upi402 Oct 2012 #34
that's an insult to real veterans tjwash Oct 2012 #36
"Arriving to" is completely WRONG. It is "Arriving at." And no, I don't care how someone has used or WinkyDink Oct 2012 #37
lol grantcart Oct 2012 #43
Disgusting. Rmoney working against women. Works against single mothers. She's not a Mormon riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #41
kick grantcart Oct 2012 #48

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
3. +1
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:23 PM
Oct 2012

I just don't understand why women think he would be a good president. He literally hates women, unless they are home cooking dinner while barefoot and pregnant.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
23. Don't be insulting the dumd, or the deaf, or any other alter-anled persons
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:25 PM
Oct 2012

And have compassion about ignorance.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
7. K&R. Mitt punished her for getting out
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:42 PM
Oct 2012

of her bad marriage and having the nerve to claim her share of joint assets.

Shame on him, and shame on CEO Stemberg for treating her and their son like pariahs.

edited to correct CEO's name.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
9. Look out Gloria - Tagg will take a swing at you!
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oct 2012

No wonder Willard was sweating his way through the last debate - he's suffering from PTSD!

donqpublic

(155 posts)
19. Can you imagine Mittens serving ON a jury?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:43 PM
Oct 2012

The horror. I think we need a Neocon remake of "12 Angry Men." It would be hilarious.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. Do you work at the courthouse? Have you heard anything off the record?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:12 PM
Oct 2012

The judge is going to have another go at this on Thursday--there's no real "facts" that I know about that have come out on this score. The docs are still under seal. Speculation is rampant, but there's no "there" there yet. The local news in Beantown has been covering this; the latest report at the noon hour was what I said in this paragraph.

The stock theory is not "in the bag" I do not think. Why? Because if the guy wanted to fuck his wife over, he'd say the stock was worth MORE than it was worth, so he'd be able to give her less of it. Unless, of course, he gave it to her with the understanding that she would liquidate it at once, or sell it back, or something on those lines.

Also, she liquidated her stock to go after the guy again in court. It was a case that went through court for nearly a decade, from what I understand. There was also a kid who alleged abuse by the father, resulting in repeated return visits to court, so the father wrote him a really shitty letter saying he was, in effect, disowned. The suggestion put forth is that the kid was lying at the behest of the mother.

You'd think that a guy who worked at--oops, OWNED-- Staples could get a camera recording system and wire up the house so that child visits could be documented--that would have nipped that abuse shit in the bud quick.

I just don't know if that "stock" track is the correct one. If it is, unless there's some really "juicy" (and that is what is alleged) damaging testimony by Mitt, it's not going to take hold.

I have a few wild ass and totally unsubstantiated theories that, if true, would take hold, plucked from thin air....

Do we know the religious affiliation of these people? If they are Mormon, remember that Mittsy was a "bishop," and in that role he did counseling, to include the marital kind. Perhaps he told this woman to put up with her husband's perverse habits, anything from beating on her to enjoyment of scatalogical pursuits for carnal enjoyment??? I'm just speculating, here. Feel free to make up your own!

Or perhaps he told her to put up with a mistress--one of those "off the books" 2nd wives? Maybe he's one of those fundamental types...and she knows Mittsy's other wives and has them on her Xmas card list!!! Now I'm really speculating--but hey, no one knows anything yet, so might as well have some fun.

Or maybe she and Mittsy had a wild night of passion when Annie wasn't feeling well?

I think we need to wait-n-see on this one. I hope Thursday brings a report of TABLOID proportions!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
25. I am on a phone and can't cite the articles, but if you will read the
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:49 PM
Oct 2012

Other threads you will see that there are credible witnesses who claim that Romney testified that "Staples is but a dream" at a time when it had substantial investment.

When I heard GA was involved I thought it was ajoke.

Its no joke Romney went out of his way to help his friend hide assets from his wife.

Ita theft. Its disgusting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. I trust your veracity entirely--that's fascinating. I hadn't heard that.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:18 PM
Oct 2012

Of course, they aren't going to indulge in speculation on WCVB. They simply delivered the bare-bones facts to this point.

It most certainly is theft, if proven, and Mittsy would be seen as an accessory--to say nothing of a perjurer. Why, I wonder, though, didn't the former wife take this tack previous to now?

Is there a statute of limitations on her claim, and could she be looking for a payday from other sources with regard to her situation and Mittsy's role in it?

Why, I wonder, is Mittsy's lawyer giving the big "Eh" when it comes to this matter? He's not fighting tooth-and-nail (at least publicly) to keep His Assholiness's testimony sealed. Could he be working behind the scenes to shut this shit down? I wonder who appointed the judge hearing the case?

Tomorrow will tell the tale, I guess!!

Rather shallowly, though, I wouldn't mind if one of my hare-brained scenarios were revealed to be the issue....we need a little soap opera drama from the other team to liven up the proceedings in this final push!

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
24. How does one commit provable perjury when asked to speculate about a future business success?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:35 PM
Oct 2012

In 1991, when he testified, the stock was worth about $1-$2 a share. In 1992, it topped out just above $2 a share at it's highest. In 1993, it spent pretty much the whole year below 50 cents a share. Then it went up to $2-3 dollars in 1994.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:SPLS

Wouldn't it work that the less Romney said the stock was really worth, the MORE shares she'd get in the divorce (more shares to make up for the decreased value)?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. whether it fits "legal perjury" will be seen but
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:54 PM
Oct 2012

If he said, as is reported, "Staples is but a dream" at a time when there we're contracts in hand for more paid up capital, it would have been a clearl lie.

More to the point women know about friends whose husbands screw them by lyong about and hiding their assets. Independent women will be revolted.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
29. I'm not sure this even fits the category of "hiding assets",
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:33 PM
Oct 2012

since I haven't seen anything (yet) that says anyone (Rmoney or anyone else) lied about the actual financial facts in the depositions. It was a company that may have had a lot of potential, but it's a tough business where there was certainly no guarantee of success, and based on the stock price in the few years that followed, it's tough to argue that success was "right around the corner". Yes the company did eventually become very profitable, but I can't imagine most people would have been willing to testify that it would years before it took off.

If it helps get votes for Obama, great, but I haven't seen anything yet to lead me to believe that Rmoney did something here worthy of calling it an "october surprise".

At this point, it seems to me to be more a case of Allred using the election to gain PR for a client, than of revealing information that is of any real value to the voters. If we weren't 2 weeks away from an election that Rmoney was running in, I doubt this story would have even made the papers.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
30. It was reported two years ago and a documentary company seemed close to doing a documentary on
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oct 2012

the whole issue.

The fact that it is close to the election may give the courts motive to unseal Romney's testimony. As he wasn't a litigant he doesn't really have standing to keep his testimony sealed.

If the comment, "Staples is just a dream" occured at the time when they had written offers of paid up capital it would in fact be hiding assets.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
39. Still, you have to speculate that they had money that wasn't being reported
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think it's clear what offers or deals were in the works, or "all but finalized" but none of those deals that were just about to happen seems to have done much for the stock price over the next 3 years, so it couldn't have been that big of a deal in the works that it would have guaranteed prosperity.

Maybe there COULD be something here, but I haven't seen much of anything yet. This is good publicity for a documentary if they're looking to put one out, though.

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
38. It will be just one more lie to add to the mountain of lies and distortions that spew out of
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:51 PM
Oct 2012

Romney's mouth on a daily basis, It is the totality of this deception against not only the American people, but the thousands of people who directly lost their jobs because of his greed as a Vulture capitalist.
Many businessmen do it, but they are not running for President of the United States, big difference.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
40. Yes, it may add to a mountain, but a pattern is already pretty well established.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:06 PM
Oct 2012

I don't see the "bombshell" or "October Surprise" aspect of this story, yet.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
44. Not just men.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:35 AM
Oct 2012

I have a friend going through a divorce right now and she's the one hiding and downplaying assets. This is after she took $18K out of his business account and went on an extended European vacation.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. A whole new demographic emerges...spouses male and female...who got screwed by exes...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:18 PM
Oct 2012

Just maybe Mitt feels just an itty bitty part of her pain and humiliation..and her 12-year old son. If the SEC doesn't get into this somehow...screw partisanship...we're pretty much an international laughingstock.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
31. and wives that worry that they may get screwed in the future
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:12 PM
Oct 2012

It confirms a pattern of Romney marginalizing women's issues.
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
37. "Arriving to" is completely WRONG. It is "Arriving at." And no, I don't care how someone has used or
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:26 PM
Oct 2012

heard it as "to."

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Disgusting. Rmoney working against women. Works against single mothers. She's not a Mormon
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:16 PM
Oct 2012

so presumably its okay to lie and screw her out of the money.

After all, it was to ensure more money went to the church so its okay to lie for the lord.

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