WOW!! Romney Campaign Exaggerates Size Of Nevada Event With Altered Image

[Playinghardball]

At best, they posted a really bad panorama.







http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-campaign-appears-to-exaggerate-size-of-neva

[powergirl]

1. So, it really is all smoke and mirrors n/t

[Brother Buzz]

8. Come on, the photo looks fantastically realistic.....

if you put on your 3D glasses.

[geckosfeet]

2. what a bunch of hacks

[CoffeeCat]

3. Is there anything genuine about this campaign???

Fake polls, fake photographs of crowds, fake candidates.

I'm really tired of this.

Election day can't come soon enough.

[theinquisitivechad]

7. THIS! Nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. Be on guard for fake votes too. nt

[cognoscere]

49. Yeah, two genuine assholes. N/T

[CoffeeCat]

4. Also...Look at Romney's crowd in Iowa today...

It was small. Maybe 1,000 people. The Obama crowd in Ames was at least 10,000, several weeks ago.

I'm going to pay attention to this a bit more, but it appears that Romney is having difficulty getting people to his events.

Anytime he does have a crowd, it is because he announces singers and other celebrities. It's as if he needs a draw--to get the people there.

I think we should give this a closer look--pay attention to where he goes, where he holds the event and how many attend--compared to Obama.

Obama's got 10,000+ crowds without any celebrities on the stage with him.

We appear to have tremendous enthusiasm.

I think this means something. If people are willing to attend your rally, they are also likely to vote as well. Conversely, if you are having trouble drawing crowds, it's possible that people aren't that enthusiastic about voting for you either. Romney may have a big enthusiasm gap. There is the rabid contingent of the Republican party who will vote for Romney as an anti-Obama vote. However, most Republicans were less-than-enthused about Romney. Most Republicans did not want Romney as first choice. Could be that this will cause lower-than-expected republican turnout.

[mick063]

11. Visual perceptions

make rigged voting machines more viable.

Fewer people will question such a possibility with images of large crowds in their heads.

[justiceischeap]

13. Maybe they thought Meatloaf was coming?

sorry, had to make a joke that was obvious.

I can only imagine how shocked his supporters are going to be after having been fed the "Momentum" meme and the pollsters lying about how well he's doing. It's going to cause a lot of unrest, IMO, among already mentally unbalanced people.

[imanamerican63]

14. I drove south on I35 near Ames this morning......

I saw a mini or minor back up, 3 cars! You would have thought there would have been more police and more traffic there, if there was a big event? ISU football game day, there's always police around and traffic backed up!

[dog_lovin_dem]

27. I'd like to see side-by-side

photos of Obama's crowds compared to Romney crowds, for each venue, go viral. I'd be more than willing to post each one on my facebook page so all of my friends can see for themselves. If a bunch of us did this, they couldn't deny the absence of a lack of enthusiasm from Barack's supporters.
Problem is, I have no idea how to create the pictures.

[Hestia]

47. Wasn't it here that reported after people attended R's rally's the lest likely they

were to vote for him? I swear it was just last month that little tidbit was reported. People stated that he is horrible in person, which is why is handlers keep him from being accessible.

[Miami4Obama]

56. In iowa I believe it was 15,000 for Obama

In his recent rally there, couple days back, I believe, there were announced 15,000 and you could easily tell it was about right. yes!

[CoffeeCat]

58. If I'm not mistaken, Obama was in Davenport, Iowa last week...

...and Romney is supposed to be there on Monday.

Will be interesting to compare the crowds.

[doublethink]

60. Here's a link to the venue, Henderson Pavilion, Nevada ...

that the altered image was taken. Just running this by you so you can see the seating capacity (audience) it is capable of. Saw you were interested up-thread ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021639137#post161

[liberal N proud]

5. That's not even trying

[Coyotl]

6. O.K. Morans, write-in Romneney

[progressoid]

9. I don't think that is Photoshop.

That's some sort of shitty in-camera pano app. IMHO.

[Drunken Irishman]

10. Agreed.

I don't think they would need to photoshop that photo.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Here are some photos of the rally.

I don't think it's photoshopped. I just think it was a bad pano job. You can see from the photos that they really didn't need to exaggerate the crowd. It was a decent sized crowd to begin with.

[justiceischeap]

18. Someone else posted another thread about this and a larger image

you can see the obvious photoshop... duplicated people, the Romney sign on the left looks like it covers "Ryan". It's def shopped.

Link to other thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1639137

[Drunken Irishman]

19. No it isn't...

Pushing this crap is going to backfire. It's not photoshopped. It's just a really shitty panorama with bad stitching. I've done bad stitching before and it often overlaps areas, mirrors others to make it come out at lease somewhat presentable. My guess is that this was done on a cell phone or a camera. It's not been photoshopped.

[justiceischeap]

21. You may be right that it was stitched together on the iPhone but

The highlighted areas are problem areas or duplications... Why would they need a panorama shot that shows the same things? I could understand if the areas that overlap had repeats but once you go beyond the first strut on the right and the whole crowd duplicates, it stops being panoramic. Finally, even if the photo hasn't been "shopped" to increase crowd size, the fact that this is so poorly done is laughable in and of itself.

[Rob H.]

24. "...the fact that this is so poorly done is laughable in and of itself."

Yep. Here's the photo I quickly pieced back together that I posted in the other thread. If someone on their campaign took the original, they're the laziest damned photographer ever. (And even disposable panoramic cameras net better shots than the one above with its multiple columns, overlapping Romney-Ryan banner, duplicated attendees and seating areas, etc.)



Then again, it came out not long ago that the Romney campaign copied Obama's website, so at least there's precedent for the "lazy bastard" explanation: http://www.salon.com/2012/09/10/romney_rips_off_obama_website

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Oh look,...the trees aren't the right height.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. "It's not photoshopped."

I stitched it together and found it's both a bad panorama AND it's been photoshopped.

The most obvious example is towards the back in the sunlight. There is a solitary figure and some trees that have been placed with a clone brush way over to the other side. There is absolutely no way that could have happened with a software glitch.

[AtheistCrusader]

65. It's not photoshop.

It's an app called Photosynth or something similar.

It lets you stitch several snapshots together in a panorama. You can tell the position of the camera changed between shots used in the 'cloning' because more people are visible behind the pillar on the clone, than the main chunk.

It's a stupid user trick. You're supposed to stand still so the software can stitch it together properly. On my phone, and on the iPhone, it's called Photosynth.

That is not something someone sat down in Photoshop with the cloning brush and created by hand. Cloning in photoshop looks quite different when it goes wrong, and it never introduces NEW data into the picture.

tldr: someone is dumb and doesn't know how to use their phone camera, and posted the picture, probably thinking it looked great on the phone screen without realizing it looks like a funhouse mirror.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. "It was a decent sized crowd to begin with."

Vegas has a sizable number of Mormons and there were a LOT that came over from Utah for this.

Mitt can't actually GO to Utah because it will scream "Mormon" to the evangelicals but it's like a gift that the Democratic Senate Majority Leader happens to be in the next town so it can provide cover.

[mikeysnot]

15. wow, look at all the idiots.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. On the bright side there's fewer than it seems.

[lpbk2713]

16. They do pics the same way they do elections.

Bogus.

[Angry Dragon]

17. LIES!!LIES!!LIES!! ........ My name is Willard

[freshwest]

20. The GOP media echo chamber made these to help the GOP steal the election.

How many will fall for it? All the baggers, true, but others?

[Rest In Peace Repubs]

22. Only and only

the baggers and tweeked out rethugs

[Nevernose]

23. It's not a doctored photo

It's a bad panoramic. The event was all over the local press and tv, and they all showed it as packed. The bullshit comes in the estimate of crowd size. The "official" estimates were between 6 and 15 thousand people. The event center only has 2400 seats. They're fixed and no more can be added. Maybe 500 more can fit on the grass. I know this for a fact, because when I there on Wednesday (Shakespeare in the Park)I asked one of the Pacilion's managers how many seats there were.

[SemperEadem]

28. it's doctored

anyone who uses photoshop can see it.

There are two circle holes in the roof of the tent, yet only only hole is shining a light on the crowd on a bright, clear and sunny day. Then there's the 1 1/2 holes in the roof as well as the disappearing/half transparent beam also on the right of the photo and the same crowd is in that part of the photo, too... that's not panoramic nothing--that's copy and paste onto a new layer.

[slutticus]

36. Parallax

So why are there parallel effects in the supposedly copied sections? It looks like someone was panning during the different shots.
Bad panorama is my vote.

[SemperEadem]

53. photoshop also has a panoramic feature in it

to turn series of photos into a panoramic shot.

however, it is blatantly obvious that copy/paste was used and content-aware fill was used and nothing anyone here says is going to move me from that opinion.

[AtheistCrusader]

67. It would take you about five seconds to reproduce that sort of fucked up photo

with an iPhone at a football game.

I doubt you could fuck up a photo in Photoshop that badly, even with like... an hour to work on it.

[AtheistCrusader]

66. You have zero clue how Photosynth works.

Stick to photoshop. Though, I doubt you could produce such a fucked up image using JUST photoshop, even if you deliberately tried.

The campaign photo is a fucked up Photosynth. User was in motion while taking the pictures. That's all. It's not hard to figure out.

[Beartracks]

69. I agree. It's obvious the user was moving...

... while shooting a panorama, or moved between separate still shots that were then stitched together. You can see that the relationships of certain elements to the background elements are different on either side of some of the overlap seams. But the stitch job sucks big dogs. The main thing is that it's so ludicrous someone would post this image as-is on Romney's official Tumblr. "Reality Check" should be used just as often as "Spell Check," people!

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[-LOKI -BAD FOR YA]

35. remember ford field-robme wants to lead us to a fools paradise !

using math their could not have been more than 6000 if we double the capacity .obama gets crowds of 12000 or more everywhere he goes, an the people are happy to see him. mitt tries to co-opt events ex:he goes to biker fest in daytona and claimed they were his supporters,there may have been some of his supporters,in the crowd but not all , he did the same thing with the coal miners one thing is for sure he will not get 47 percent of the vote .

[jmowreader]

59. It's not a bad panoramic, and I'll tell you why

The seamed areas aren't vertical--if you go to the OP and look at the image with the pink to denote the pieced-in areas, you'll see they're all diagonal. A bad panoramic would have vertical slices that didn't mesh, and this one doesn't.

I have a strange question: why in hell would you need to do a panoramic on this venue anyway? It's not that large, and from the camera position this photo was shot at you'd get the whole thing in one image with a 24mm lens--a 20 would be better but Romney is probably too broke to buy one.

[AtheistCrusader]

68. Photosynth doesn't just do vertical seams.

Do you have an iPhone? Fuck around with it and try to do a panorama in Photosynth while moving around. You will get the same effect. You can do it on the Windows phone 7 platform as well. Probably droid too.

[BlueStreak]

25. Why is he campaiging Nevada anyway. He's not going to win Nevada

That's a waste of time. His campaign ought to have him in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Iowa from now until election day. Nowhere else.

This would be like Obama taking a day to do events in Austin, TX and Jackson, MS.

Really foolish at this stage of the campaign considering that people are voting RIGHT NOW in Ohio, Iowa and other states Romney MUST win.

[SemperEadem]

26. when I saw that Photoshop added content aware fill I knew the truth was in trouble.

it is the vehicle by which a lie can be propagated. This proves it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. Forward this to PhotoshopDisasters.com

http://photoshopdisasters.com

It's a fascinating site with fascinating sights. This Romney one is so very blatant it boggles the mind.

[neffernin]

31. Edit button

Sometimes you really gotta wonder if the people who run these kinds of things have any kind of editorial process to even try to make these realistic; or maybe they just don't care because such tactics seem to work so well regardless...

[SHRED]

32. not surprising considering the scum that they are

[DonRedwood]

33. A new way to lie

this man disgusts me. The most dishonest Presidential candidate ever. He makes Nixon look like an angel.

[Kablooie]

34. It may not be deliberate manipulation.

It looks to me like just a really bad automatic panorama shot.
The software did an extremely crappy job of pasting the parts together.

I've seen similar artifacts in panoramas I've done but they were better than this.

It's so bad that they shouldn't have posted it at all.

[JackRiddler]

40. Why make excuses for them? They published it.

They could see it was faking the crowd size.

[JHB]

50. Even if it's a bad pano, it's still "Amercia"-grade crap. Quality ain't Job 1 for R&R...

This is his presidential campaign, and Mr. Businessman is showing all the concern for his "customers" as the businessmen whose customer service reps are unable to communicate with the people calling up because it was cheaper to move the operation to India or wherever.

Is he having fun firing people who provide services to him poorly? Is a presidential campaign really the place to have your enjoy yourself that way? Or should you treat it like something where little things count? His answer has repeatedly been "no, nobody gives a shit about that".

[FlaGranny]

37. It's the TARDIS.

Much larger on the inside than the outside.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

41. Hope for the next week

TV cameras that cover live events span around more in the crowds for BOTH sides. That would help tell the tale of authentic size.

[Lex]

44. Desperation.

[greiner3]

45. Thanks for the diagram;

I have an old CRT, no bifocals and don't have too much knowledge about the technology.

The accompanying diagram is so much easier to read.

Thanks again.

[crunch60]

46. Sing along with me, " It's Only Make Believe".. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

48. Everything was so blatant...

That I totally missed "Romneny"

[TwilightGardener]

51. ROMNENEY is a fraud.

[Lex]

57. Heh

[ailsagirl]

52. Honestly, they are pathetic

They must know that Nitt isn't exactly well-liked (except by the dumkopfs)

Everytime the President goes out on the stump, there are THOUSANDS of excited people everywhere.

[Tab]

54. This is a load of crap

If you bring them both into a photo editor (like photoshop) and resize the smaller one to match the larger one, you'll find they're propotionally identical. Just do it. If no one wants to bother, I'll post a demo.

I know the GOP has rigged stuff in the past, but this is not an example.

[Brother Buzz]

55. Is this site bogus?

http://mittromney.tumblr.com/post/34185077128/americas-comeback-team-in-nevada

[Up2Late]

62. Tumblr? No, I have a Tumblr page too.

Not sure why they put "Paid for by Romney for President, Inc." though, because Tumblr is Free, at least it was for me.

It's like the new "Blogger," except Google hasn't bought it up yet.

[Brother Buzz]

63. I guess what I'm asking, is it a genuine Romney Tumblr page or are they being punked?

[Up2Late]

64. It's hard to say with a Tumblr account, because they are free for most people...

...and very easy to fake, but it looks real to me.

I guess if you really want to know, go to the links they provide there or a known Romney web page and see if they link back to the Tumblr page.

[Up2Late]

61. I'm working on it right now, it's definitely 2 photos merged together very badly...

...to look like a much bigger crowd.

No clone stamp or resizing needed, just some perspective adjustments to compensate for the extreme wide angle lens they shot this with.

Look at the base of the white pole and where it crosses the isle, one covers most of the stairs, the other doesn't and the little girl in the isle is facing a different direction too.

I'm going to try to break apart the pieced again, correct the wide angle distortion then put them back together, maybe even in After Effects if I don't get too bored with this.

[dsteven9]

70. Is that all the Big Stuff

Romensia, been on the Big Change meme, is that it-photo shop kid stuff style-funny how money can't buy everything.

Liars do stuff like that, while he has so many to cover up...what's he got left.
Godless Mormon moron.

[yurbud]

71. so sad...with all their money, they can't get good photoshop help

[handsomebwonderful]

72. .

Can someone photoshop an Obama event to make it look less-attended