Panic buying starting in Manhattan...

[brooklynite]

Bottled water and staples flying off the shelves on the Upper West Side.

Looking forward to 24 hour TV coverage this weekend.

Now, how do I protect myself from the marauders who get past the Doorman?

[bluestate10]

1. Buy frozen pizzas. Cook them and leave them in the lobby. nt

[Renew Deal]

18. lol

[DarthDem]

2. Weird

What good will staples do? I mean, I guess if you really need to fasten a couple of pages together in an emergency situation, yeah.

[slackmaster]

4. I think paper clips would be more useful

You can unbend them and use the wire make all kinds of improvised tools.

[Posteritatis]

6. You scoff now, but just wait until your life depends on affixing one page to another! (nt)

[DarthDem]

11. Good Call

I mean, I don't even have sufficient paper clips like slackmaster sagely suggested. I'm very concerned and should probably start a few new threads about it, along with the new Gravis Masking phonypoll.

[phylny]

22. Don't forget, in a pinch, the stapler can be opened

and when you squeeze, the staples used as a sharp, albeit small, projectile for self-defense.

[DarthDem]

25. LOLOL

(gun shop owner from The Terminator showing a bunch of staplers)

"Any one of these is ideal for home defense."

[Whovian]

23. To fasten plastic over broken windows?

[snooper2]

136. that's what flat screen tv's are for...

makes em' good for something during power outage

[Recovered Repug]

56. Staples may also refer to food. nt

[Kurovski]

65. I'd sooner die than eat staples!

[DarthDem]

124. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm glad you're here to tell me these things!

[RagAss]

3. Quick...send Newman for provisions !

[slackmaster]

5. Panic buying is a symptom of people not being adequately prepared for foreseeable disasters

[a geek named Bob]

7. And then there's the problem of the definitions...

I'm betting that my version of prepared is different than other people's.

[slackmaster]

10. I could survive at my house for about a month with supplies I have on hand right now

I don't even consider myself a hard-core prepper. I know what could happen in a major earthquake, or a storm, or a widespread power outage, or a wildfire.

[WinkyDink]

24. I'm not worried about ME; I'm worried about my DWELLING.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Actually you are, nothing wrong with it

and lord knows that as a former emergency worker that is one person I won't have to be concerned about.

BUT, two points.

1.- As a former emergency worker that dealt with disasters, you know where the three day comes from? Every simulation we have run tells us that a week tops before things really go to hell in a hand basket. I mean riot and civil disorder hell in a hand basket. So I hope your preparation includes the ammo and plenty of guns. This is why every plan I have seen says, a week tops before you move in en force after a disaster. (And yes Katrina was on the outside of this and we saw some of the expected results from them sims. There were a few elements of civil disorder why it did not go fully there... water, and I mean WATER EVERYWHERE)

2.- The weak link in your plan is if your structure collapses or buns. So I hope your plans include wheels, with enough space to transport all that.

I know part of my supplies live in my vehicle that I use to cover things like fires... go figure carry water, plenty of it, and yes CYCLE the damn thing.

[a geek named Bob]

33. We've got food, medical, and mission critical power needs covered.

soon as the house is off the grid, the "survival" prep will become a full lifestyle.

[slackmaster]

159. As long as your house is standing, it's basically an urban or suburban camping adventure

Much of my emergency equipment happens to be the very same items I take on car camping or backpacking trips.

If you are ready to quickly pack up and go spend three days in the mountains or the desert without making a trip to a store on the way, three days at home is a cake walk.

[a geek named Bob]

161. what I (sort of) worry about

is my neighbors in the adjacent halfway house. They say there is nothing more vehement than a convert...

After the last storm, some of the good folks were insistent that my wife and I have soup, take blankets and a spare flashlight (we have 3), and join them in a de-stress group session. (I was tired, I made a mistake and mentioned I have PTSD.)

[slackmaster]

164. I've had PTSD for 47 years now. I've channeled it so that it works for me in most crisis situations.

Fortunately the two or three things that trigger it are not likely to happen in an earthquake, fire, or flood situation.

[a geek named Bob]

165. Slackmaster, I'm sorry to hear you've got it.

My Dad picked it up, coming out of his "all expense paid vacation in South East Asia" as he called it. Generally, it's a pain in the tuchis.

A hurricane won't trigger me. It's just that my neighbors in the halfway house don't seem to accept the idea that CERTAIN things trigger it, and not just any stress situation.

Mind you, the tomato soup they bring by is pretty good.

[slackmaster]

166. I acquired mine in childhood. I'll spare people the details, but it led to a life-long commitment...

...to respond immediately and decisively to any situation in which I perceive imminent danger to life or health; to act without hesitation or fear of reprisal for the occasions when in retrospect it turns out that I over-reacted.

It's better to over-prepare and over-react than to find out that you are SOL because you didn't prepare adequately, or to watch someone suffer or die because you hesitated.

[a geek named Bob]

168. The problem that I've noticed is that "polite" society seems to have this strange kink...

that shies away from adequate preparation. I don't understand why folks fear advance planning, but there it is. Also, I've seen far too many people that seem to be encased in this bubble of "Can't happen to me." They seem to take a delight in tempting the fates...

As these storms seem to be becoming a regularly scheduled event, I'm already sketching out the back up power system. (Only 3 days power at the moment. I should have at least 7).

[winstars]

51. In my biggest apartment in Manhattan ever, your could fill up the kitchen with 3 extra bags of food.

Stocking up was buying 2 extra Top Ramen's, almost... Remember, an essential city living rule is you can only buy as much as you can carry back to the apartment. I have several fingers that only years later did the circulation has come back to from the those plastic carry bags turning them blue because I bought a half gallon of juice AND some bottled water. LOL All jokes aside, it is difficult to "load up" even from a cost perspective, things are expensive in the city.

The one thing you can do is have some cash on hand in case of power outages. Your debit card is only a piece of plastic if the ATMS are down or out of $$$.

[hoboken123]

70. The big power outage a few summers back

People walking around with literally no money in their pockets. 'I got my debit card, isn't that all I need?'

[2ndAmForComputers]

104. Or when the UN black helicopters come to grab yer guns.

[slackmaster]

128. I'll be sipping chilled Dom Perignon while you scrounge for drinking water in your toilet tank

Have fun begging for handouts.

[2ndAmForComputers]

135. What? Financing those cheese-eating surrender monkeys??? Instead of buying Budweiser???

I expected better of you. What a disappointment.

[slackmaster]

137. I take it you have never heard of InBev

[2ndAmForComputers]

138. Oh, right. Belgian. Damn them! They're everywhere!

[2ndAmForComputers]

170. By the way, I'm sorry to inform you that me, my family and my possessions are perfectly fine.

And I didn't have to go militia for that to happen.

Thanks for caring.

[Redlo Nosrep]

8. And That Just Baffles Me

I guess my mindset comes from having grown up on a farm with a huge pantry, alternate heating/cooking/lighting items, a generator with plenty of stored gas, an outhouse, and a cistern full of potable water.

Yeah, not exactly how Manhattanites can be ready for potential disasters like Sandy, but the old saying, "Failing to prepare is preparing to fail" comes to mind.

A day or two before the event is not the optimum time to be fighting panic-stricken shoppers for the last jug of water and a couple of cans of Spam.

[brooklynite]

12. SPAM! I KNEW I forgot something...

[kath]

44. Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam...

[slackmaster]

13. Being prepared for three days without shopping or services is really not hard

A few cans of soup, battery-powered lighting and/or candles, any prescription medication you take daily, a portable radio, a spare roll of toilet paper, food and medication needed for pets, and 5-6 gallons of water per person.

[bettyellen]

17. not needed in most of NYC - you can walk three blocks and buy anything, anytime

and most people prefer not to use up their space for storage instead of living. and luckily, there's no reason to.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Only, playing devil's advocate here, if you have a major

incident like a direct hit from a hurricane, you will not have these supplies at three blocks from your home.

I personally have to buy some more tuna. I use the stuff, and every so often, I just buy enough for a week. Batteries, between the flash, the flashlights and the radio (which is also crank powered) we have enough... it is what we need to do the job anyway.

Water, well, I have some in the trunk at all times (cover one wild life and trust me, you will have that crap in there).

And some at home. When they are near the time they need to be used. just make coffee with them, instead of tap water.

[bettyellen]

40. We've had hurricanes, last year 1/4 of town had a few feet of water ....

And guess what- a block away, stores were open. Blackouts and blizzards, stores stay open. Not all, but plenty enough.
Trains are down? Took the ferry and went to work. Four feet of snow? got a cab and then a train, same as always.
It's not at all like the rest of the country. People are used to hoofing or biking and not allowing their lives to be interupted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Good for you

You don't believe me, contact your local office of emergency services. I am betting they do not believe NYC is that exceptional. I used to do this shit, emergency and disaster response, and you know what? I do not remember the NYC exception anywhere.

Perhaps I missed it.

[bettyellen]

47. Maybe you should call emergency services and complain

You've been duped into thinking that NYC was the same as suburbs or even large cities that close down at 8 pm every night, LOL. We actually have loads of stores big and small EVERYWHERE. Many find it a great opportunity to keep hours during extreme weather events. We don't pack it in and hunker down a moment longer than needed around here. I know many in the suburban areas love to, but its really not an urban thing.

Emergency servIces? i don't need to call and ask them about what I've seen in my own neighborhood for the last forty years!

[TeamPooka]

55. I remember 20 years ago a snowstorm dropped 2 feet of snow that closed Manhatten

but bodegas, stores, restaurants and bars were still open.
Sure you couldn't find a hotel room because the trains and highways were shutdown so all the bridge & tunnel commuters were stuck in the city but life went on with two feet of snow on the ground.
It's the city that never sleeps even in bad weather.

[bettyellen]

57. i remember driving around in Manhattan in a few feet of snow and no electricity maybe 12-15 years

ago. I was so excited because there were no stoplights or traffic, and I knew I could get free parking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Great, call your EOS and tell them to stop wasting their time

in planning for worst case scenarios. NYC is truly exceptional!

Shakes head and walks away. Truly, we hope you never have to experience those worst case scenarios.

I remember the same shit, different city, attitude wise. On the plus side that city did not spend the money in this shit. I mean who needs it? That is... until they had an 8.1 quake that dropped 10% of buildings, left 100,000 homeless and 10,000 or so dead.

Thankfully, due to the luck of good engineering, ROADS AND BRIDGES were not in the truly damaged category, so emergency services and the army could still move along to do what they had to improvise.

They learned their lesson. These days not only do they have a plan, but they drill at least once a year.Last annual drill, happened actually a minute or so before an actual 7.5 hit... so good news, buildings were already evacuated. Citizens have not forgotten and they don't think they are exceptional either.

Perhaps NYC needs that kind of a lesson. And I hope to god it does not happen by the way. I trust NYC office of Emergency Services is ready though, in spite of the citizenry and it's we are exceptional shitty attitude.

[bettyellen]

62. Oh please, just because you ignorantly thought there was need to stock up

Doesn't mean it won't be difficult and dangerous for some people. They will need help- that's kind of obvious. But it doesn't take a genius to realize that "stocking up"
and this survivalist type planning is the LAST thing anyone in NYC needs.
Jeeze, you've got no clue, do you?

[eqfan592]

63. He/she specifically said that they were NOT wishing a nasty catastrophe.

Not only are you failing to accept some well intended and well thought-out advice, but you are failing in basic reading comprehension as well.

Anybody who counts on being able to go to the store to get supplies they need, even after a disaster, is asking for trouble, end of story.

[bettyellen]

67. "Perhaps NYC needs that kind of a lesson"

Perhaps the poster needs to put their bruised ego in check.
Sorry it upsets her that my city is already sitting on a huge pile of supplies- all at a short reach. You'd think she'd be happy to learn this.

[hoboken123]

71. People say 'a city like New York'

Is there really another one? It's pretty unique.

Three feet of snow, inches of rain...the City just sort of plods along.

[eqfan592]

72. "And I hope to god it does not happen by the way." Very next sentence.

And I'm sorry, but "huge pile of supplies" my ass. A pile of supplies that would last a very short time in a worst case scenario situation, given the population of the city in general.

You're counting on too many outside factors breaking your way, pure and simple.

[hoboken123]

75. What are you expecting, zombies?

Wind and rain. What are you seeing as worst-case scenario for NYC?

Few are stockpiling in midtown apartments...as there's literally no room for it. People can't/don't buy food more than a week in advance, they've gotten by for a little while now.

[bettyellen]

79. I'm counting on a well stocked city that has world class

Emergency services. For fucks sake we've done this before. Recently. Supplies are not THE big concern. Evacuation sucks, as does finding parking on high ground. The two day traffic standstill will suck too, but we do have ferries and other alternatives.
I understand supplies are huge for people in more isolated areas, but not here.
I'm sorry you're having such a rough time wrapping your head around it, but its very different here in that respect.
You can PM me for an apology when you find stories of NYers starving, okay?

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Nope, just telling you the reality

Re-Read what I wrote, I HOPE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

But at times that is what it takes for we are exceptional attitude to just go away. It is not a healthy attitude since it takes everybody to survive a major disaster.

You are not unlike many of the locals who REFUSE to evacuate when told to do so. Sometimes they pay with their lives.

That my dear is the reality, speaking as a former emergency worker, and now as a reporter.

But I am not wishing any ill to anybody. Lord knows I hate covering those stories, or in the past responding to those calls.

By the way, I was one of the Casandras who dared question the lack of preparedness and general plan. Young, naive emergency worker in that city. It happened after I left the area, My lesson was... PUSH FOR GENERAL PREPAREDNESS regardless of shitty it cannot happen here attitude. So guess what? I left a much smaller city far better prepared with a far better trained Emergency System.

Oh and to this day I make sure I have emergency supplies at hand. It's come handy a few times.

[bettyellen]

69. "Perhaps NYC needs to learn that kind of a lesson"

Sick sentiment.
It was a red flag for me that you're so fucking upset to hear we're well stocked.

Supplies, groceries, we have them. Get over yourself.

[eqfan592]

73. Yet another reading comprehension fail.

And sounds like you're the one who needs to get over your self. You're so assured that the system you're used to will somehow stay in place and functioning under every circumstance. It is a shortsighted viewpoint to say the least.

[bettyellen]

74. No, I'm used to power failures and floods for days and

I know we've got incredible emergency services, evaculation plans and back up serices in place. Lots of my friends evacuated last year.

I said we don't need to stock up, and my friends who evacuated would agree with me.

Sorry my point- that we are sitting in a big fucking piles of supplies over here- went right over that posters head. Sheesh.

[eqfan592]

76. Yes, and all that you experienced in the past is the totality of what could ever possibly happen.

Sorry, but that is a logic fail of epic proportions.

But hey, its your funeral bud. Best of luck either way.

[hoboken123]

77. Oh good, and now it's a funeral

But you know, maybe they need that lesson...

[eqfan592]

78. OMFG, it's a pretty common phrase/expression.

Seriously, if you can't stand the idea that somebody thinks your wrong that you have to try and twist everything they say in some horrible way, then you're a sad, sad person to begin with.

If you want to spit on good advise using faulty logic, that is your own prerogative. But please stop trying to act like anybody here is actually wishing harm on you or anybody else in that area.

Shit, it's like talking to a damned repuke.

[bettyellen]

80. The faulty logic is that we need to stock up bigtime....

Either you're evacuating and can't take it with you. Or you're not and will have stores open.
It's really pretty simple.
I know a few Repukes who'd catch on faster than some here..::

[eqfan592]

81. Wow, yet another massive logic fail.

Yeah, it's not at all possible that you either couldn't or failed to evacuate and that the food supplies may run low/out or not be available for other unforeseen reasons. Nope, not even within the realm of possibility at all! Might as well vote for Mitt if that's the sort of logic you use.

Jesus, some folks around here have the density of a neutron star. Like I said, do what you want, but don't sit here implying that people trying to give you some sound advice are wishing harm on you. That's a load of bullshit.

[bettyellen]

86. It's actually fairly impossible. Sorry it bugs you so much.

So much so that people here are actually wishing and hoping we "learn a lesson".
All I've learned from this is I am really sorry for people who live out in the sticks who can't just open their window and yell for help- who can't depend on thousands of neighbors.

But I can. Thanks for the "concern" and snark.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. This is from the New York City OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/get_prepared/supplies.shtml

Note to hosts, this is part of a public government page.

So tell me, is the OEM being silly? Are they wasting YOUR money? I guess they are.

By the way, the city I happen to live in is pretty large too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. Actually stocking up for three days of food and water

is not stocking up big time. We call that a trip to the store, and a few cans of canned fish, and a few bottles of water. 1 gallon per person per day.

Ok if fish is not your cup of tea some cans of soup... that could, if need be, eaten cold.

You know what most normal folks actually have in their pantries and do cycle from time to time.

Now if you think that is going overboard, I feel sorry for you. I really do.

[Separation]

106. Mother Nature would like a word with ya.

I think Mother Nature has the final call in any disaster.

Here is a pretty good article on just this. Obviously uses DC as the example but I believe any major city is vulnerable. I was in New Orleans 36 hours after Katrina, it was not something that I ever want to see again anywhere.

http://m.naturalnews.com/news/036406_power_grid_failure_lessons.html

I wish I was more prepared than I am. I only have 2 weeks of prep. But due to finances/space/apathy I don't.

[hoboken123]

83. If there was any good advice for NYC dwellers it'd be noted...

...but this thread of 'lessons taught' is laughable and sad.

Misdirected hostility maybe?

[eqfan592]

92. I guess your own city doesn't know of any good advice then for its own residents.

Because it recommends a 3 day kit, including food and water.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/get_prepared/supplies.shtml

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. Nope, not upset

sorry to rock your boat.

Just talking out of real life experience.

Have a magnificent life and may you NEVER ever get your safe assumptions rocked.

I mean it, may you always be safe and never have to face even a 24 hour power outage that we know has never, ever, cross my heart, affected the East Coast at all.



I mean, NYC in particular is perfect

So I mean it, call your EOC and tell them to stop wasting their money on emergency preparedness. They do not need it.

[hoboken123]

88. Yep, real life experience

Power went out in NY a few summers ago. Hurricane hit last year.

But yes, when the zombie break thru the barricades, I will regret not giving greater credence to your sage advice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

90. When the zombies break through

it will be a nice hollywood production.

Look buddy I used to do this shit, called emergency response for real, as in real life.

And preparation does not mean having a month worth of supplies... it means having a well stocked pantry.

But hey, whatever... you live also in a perfect city.

May you never have your safety shaken either.

[hoboken123]

93. From 'perhaps NY needs a lesson' to recommending a well stocked pantry

It's late, and I have plenty of passive aggressiveness I can find locally if I'd like some.

Thanks for your concern.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. This is from YOUR OWN OFFICE OF EMERNGENCY MANAGEMENT

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/get_prepared/supplies.shtml

Read and weep.

[bettyellen]

100. It IS a little late for the well wishes, isn't it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. From your OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

You go right ahead and now argue with them.

At least, they do not think they are exceptional and are giving standard recommendations, I wonder why?

[eqfan592]

102. Since they were given from the start, I don't see how.

But like I said, dense as a neutron star.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/get_prepared/supplies.shtml

[bettyellen]

94. Can't you read? We've been through sooo many power outages, FFS.

I shouldn't be amazed to see again, that your posts have very little to do with what I actually said.
Just because we've bounced back well, doesn't mean we have t been through plenty.

It just means that everyone's exhortions to "stock up for days" would be found laughable by the majority of NYers.

We're prepared for a whole lot more than you know, "dear". And bored with your snark, and general inability to stay on topic or comprehend what you're attempting to respond to.

[eqfan592]

98. LOL!!! Yep, dense as a neutron star.

Goodnight, "dear."

[nadinbrzezinski]

99. Here from your OWN OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

[bettyellen]

108. I'm four blocks from highland where most are equipped with massive generators, I'll take a flash

light, cash and high rubber boots. Like I have done a dozen times before.
See, we pay really high taxes and have pretty good and varied layers of infrastructure and awesome emergency services lined up.
And we know this because we've used them frequently. Funny this is a surprise to you.

So after hunkering down a day or so for the worst of it, our land will be dotted with beacons of generator powered stuff to buy, and eat. And free water, if needed. Our ferries will run twice as frequently if the tubes shut down. I will walk uphill to one. I wish it was that way for everybody. But if NY is good at anything, it's bouncing back.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. Here once again from YOUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

You really need to go have that discussion with them, not with us.

[bettyellen]

115. You do realize Ive seen that 100 times, and 100 times last year for Irene, and during the power grid

failure as well as that storm in 92, 9/11..... and that's just a small sampling.
But yeah, kid yourself that I needed to see that PSA again.

[eqfan592]

117. You've seen in all those times, and it still never sank in, huh?

Yep, your new official nickname is neutron star. Wish there was a way I could set the system up to just display that every time you posted.

[bettyellen]

122. oh, I have it memorized... even used to believe I needed all of those things too!

[eqfan592]

123. By that logic, I guess I'll just toss out my fire extinguisher.

I've been told so many times how I need one, but haven't needed it yet!

[bettyellen]

130. WTF are you talking about? You really think people in a dense city that is well prepared have the

same need to stock up the same as people out in the boonies? That was my point, and neither of you seems to get it.

I never said we didn't t need and Emergency response plan, would't evacuate myself if need be, or half of the very dumb things you two have said. But have at it, tilting at windmills and hoping I'll "learn a lesson", the both of you.

You're both making shit up here, and Im done with your nonsense.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. The city if San Diego is hardly the boonies

Or the city of Los Angeles.

But go on...

[bettyellen]

143. Cities where you need cars to have a life? yeah- that's EXACTLY like NYC, LOL.

you really do have no idea, god bless.

[nadinbrzezinski]

145. Actually you have none

I got three bodegas within walking/ biking distance

I use transit regularly

Your transit is ready to shut down. You dream on.

I forgot, Mayor Bloomberg should consult you on this, you know far better than the experts at EOC and FEMA.

[bettyellen]

147. Whoa, three whole bodegas. And bless your heart, you think that compares to NYC somehow. Adorable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. So you think NYC somehow is immune

To just in time distribution? How long do you think your bodegas can hold without stocking up?

Free clue, from people who know better, no you.. 36 hours.

[bettyellen]

152. And if, like you - that's all we had in a five block radius I might be concerned over getting hungry

But we have two jumbo supermarkets and about 40-50 smaller stores and restaurants. We're not San Diego.
And if you extend the diameter to ten blocks, triple that figure. OMG- we're gonna starve!!1!1! NOT.

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. That includes your supermarkets

Stores are expected to be emptied out within 36 hours without re-supply.

36 hours is the best case scenario.

Just in time, read on it.

You are thicker than a neutron star.

[bettyellen]

157. So you really think NYers will starve. Oh, you'll be so disappointed, on top of rude.

[nadinbrzezinski]

158. Nope, did not say that

You are thicker than a neutron star

The recomendations are based on we will be able to move in and start resupply and all that jazz within 72 hours.

Why you are asked to be ready to be on your own for 72 hours.

For the record, humans last far longer without food tan 72 hours, we need water though

So no, nobody should starve in 72 hours, but you knew that.

You think these numbers are pulled out of the ass of emergency workers?

By the way child, the obvious question comes up now, what are your credentials? Mine include actual disaster work and emergency response. Yes, I did this shit for real. So apart of your silly angry bluster, what are your credentials in the field? I am going from training here.

So, having a few cans of tuna, chips, and water s too much of a bother? Is that it?

We are asking you for the imposible?

[slackmaster]

173. Quotes of the Week: 'We Need Food, We Need Clothing'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/weeks-best-quotes/story?id=17635120#1

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. Once again from your OEC people

Emergency Supply Kit
Keep enough supplies in your home to survive on your own, or shelter in place, for at least three days. If possible, keep these materials in an easily accessible, separate container or special cupboard. You should indicate to your household members that these supplies are for emergencies only. Check expiration dates of food and update your kits when you change your clock during daylight-saving times.

One gallon of drinking water per person per day
Non-perishable, ready-to-eat canned foods and manual can opener
First aid kit
Flashlight*
Battery-operated AM/FM radio and extra batteries (you can also buy wind-up radios that do not require batteries)
Whistle
Iodine tablets or one quart of unscented bleach (for disinfecting water ONLY if directed to do so by health officials) and eyedropper (for adding bleach to water)
Personal hygiene items: soap, feminine hygiene products, toothbrush and toothpaste, etc.
Phone that does not rely on electricity
Child care supplies or other special care items

You really need to go have that discussion with them, not with us.

[Bluenorthwest]

139. You keep mentioning the ferries, which reminds me of 9-11, a day on which

NYC was very unprepared. The ferry fleet on the day was so depelted that only 160,000 were able to evacuate by boat. That's why so many were hoofing it home. The authorities on that day were worried about the loss of bridges, like all of them. Think about that possibility. 'Worst case' means that which has not happened as yet.
After 9-11, the company that runs the ferries had to use every boat they could charter. It was a strain to the system. They have a larger fleet now and ridership is about doubled. It is my favorite form of NYC transportation. And the way it functions today is a direct result of the way it could not function on 9-11. And that was just not a widespread destruction, huge, but not multiple stations, not streets and bridges closed. So 'I'll just take the ferry' did not cover NYC's last major day, and the system as it is could be easily overburdened by the loss of one bridge or tunnel.
9-11 was in fact a failure as a test of NYC's emergency systems in many, many ways. That was also the last major emergency test of those systems. What that day looked like, a week could look like, and worse. Is that likely with this storm? No. But to think it could not, or that NYC is safe as houses is a sort of simplistic outlook that I don't think suits NYers well. The very things that make is safe and convenient most of the time could work against it in worse or worst case scenarios.

[bettyellen]

141. jesus, all I said was was we really don't need to be stocking up bigtime here, LOL

NYC knows what they are doing, they are keeping the subways closed Monday to prevent transportation issues and flood damage to cars till after the surge hits. Everyone is planning on a four day weekend.

But no one here is going to be in a position of being stranded or starving if they make ANY effort unless they refuse evacuation and assistance. (which I was accused of supporting here- foolishness!) It is not like other areas where you are suck with no help.
If the subways shut for a week, I and thousands of others will make it to the office anyway when it opens. So yeah, the ferries help a lot.

Not the same at all as more remote areas where people depend on themsleves alone and their cars. People are up and out on the streets and businesses reopen the earliest possible moment.

[bettyellen]

82. Lot of foolish assumptions here. I was ready to evacuate last year....

But I didn't have to. But of I had I'd have to leave the supplies behind. Wasted effort.

I stayed. And the A and P next door and five other store were open and stocked. They merely closed three hours early (9pm).
Some neighbors crashed with me overnight. Others went to emergency shelters.
People here pull together and are ready to help each other out- not stocking up their little survivalist camps and worrying getting looted or doing without.
You seriously think our cincerns should be about stocking supplies? SMH

[eqfan592]

91. Indeed, lots of foolish asumptions here. all of them being made by you and your friend.

Goodnight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

140. Hey, Bloomberg is ordering evacuations

Closing schools and stopping transit service tonight.

I guess Mayor Bloomberg IS A FOOL!

[bettyellen]

142. I guessed you missed the part where we did same last year- and no one starved or died of thirst?

All the deaths were people out in the burbs getting in cars, or the awful flooding and mudslides in the hills upstate. Yeah, well, when we get the mudslides burying people, I'll admit you actually had a point.

but your gloating over the evacuees' misfortune is duly noted.
amazing from someone who pretends to give a shit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. Your mayor is a fool

We get it. FEMA specialists are wasting your tax money, we get it.

By the way, your evacuation systems on 9.11 did fail, and ferries were under capacity.

But you are right, since nobody has starved no issues, and having a well stocked pantry, that is what three days translates into, is for sissies.

[bettyellen]

146. Stop making up crazy shit that no one said.

And your comments about 9/11 reveal completely foolish and unrealistic expectations.
No city on earth is prepared to evacuate everyone in hours if there is a potentiality for any/ all of it's bridges or other massively populated areas were to be bombed. No city on earth. But THAT's the scenario ES had to run with. Shit like that is going to cause commuting problems ANYWHERE. More so if everyones trying to jump in a car. Thank god we don't deal with that here.

But flooding= major terrorist attack? Seriously? This is laughable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

148. Ah, my lord, so NYC is NOT PERFECT

GASP! Who knew?

By the way the one making stupid assumptions has been you throughout this thread.

Oh and have you ever checked the FEMA worst case scenarios for flooding in NYC? Save yourself the nightmare, they are NOT pretty.

Suffice it to say, New Orleans after Katrina IS a good descriptor actually.

Oh wait, that pretty much puts Bodegas out of comision.

FYI, this is not that worst case.

Yes, they are paid YOUR mone to plan for shit like that. There are two scenarios that generate that. One is an absolute nightmare scenario which is short of nuclear war, and yes dear, possible. (Azores goes off into the sea, generating a monster tsunami). The second is a direct hit from a Cat 5 storm.

[bettyellen]

151. You are off the rails with idiotic pronouncements and responses to things I never said. Have fun

arguing with things you iMAGINE I said. Maybe the voices in your head will continue to entertain you when I'm gone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

153. You claimed until you were called on it by several of us

that you did not need to follow any of the emergency services recommendations because somehow NYC is perfect and has never faced a real emergency.

911 is considered a failure of systems by experts, and you were told this.

You also sais that flooding could never be that bad. I just told you the two well known scenarios that they are planning for which could lead to NYC having more than a few issues, and the reason why the NYFD has bought and stashed boats... to navigate down Fifth Avenue. That is something I hope remains in the plans for as long as I live, by the way. In other words, NEVER IMPLEMENTED.

I guess they are fools too. That includes your Mayor as well, he is a chief fool here.

Now going back to what you are asked by your civil defense to do, is not to stash food for a month, but three days, which translates to a well stocked pantry. I chose to do it for longer, but I know I have a few neighbors who are elderly who likely are not. So, if we have something that lasts beyond an evening, I fear we will feed them too, not just loan out radios.

Stashing some water is not that space intensive either,. If you live alone that is THREE One gallon bottles.

Stashing a battery operated radio, they are small... they are portable. Extra batteries, not that much space really.

A flashlight, not that hard. I have several, one of them in my key chain to be exact.

This is just being obtuse really.

But hey, it might just make your life more bearable, but it is YOUR LIFE, not mine.

But thanks for showing the idiotic attitude residents in many a large city, NOT JUST NYC, have.

[bettyellen]

155. your post is filled with outright bullshit. And over the top, misplaced anger. Get help.

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. So talking of having a well stocked pantry

And a flashlight is misplaced anger? How so Doctor Freud?

Now we have fully entered the twilight zone....

[hoboken123]

160. I'm surprised you lasted so long...

The same poster that was looking for NYC to learn a lesson, but is really only helpful with his 'full pantry' suggestions?

[Bluenorthwest]

171. Post Storm News from Hoboken:

"One of the most pressing crises was unfolding here in Hoboken, a city of 50,000 that is directly across the Hudson River from Manhattan.

“This is flooding like we’ve never seen,” said Mayor Dawn Zimmer of Hoboken, where National Guard troops on Wednesday were trying to rescue thousands of residents trapped by sewage-laced floodwaters."
More here. The photos of Hoboken are very sad to see.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/nyregion/new-jersey-continues-to-cope-with-hurricane-sandy.html?_r=0

[uncle ray]

46. many immigrant shopw owners live in their stores.

they ain't going anywhere, so they might as well be open for business.

[bettyellen]

58. Yep and people bike in snow, public transport rarely shuts for long. People get by fine.

[slackmaster]

134. That's good in theory, until 8 million people are affected by the same disaster...

...and all try to get food and water at the same time.

[bettyellen]

149. well, the thing is we feed that many people 3 times a day every other day of the week. The food is

there. Getting it served will slow down.
Work will stop, but no one needs to starve. The coastal people have to get the hell out of course, and where they go, big bags of supplies are not welcome.

[JVS]

169. So, how'd it go?

[slackmaster]

172. I'm wondering how she is too. I hope she's OK. Most recent post was Monday, 10/29.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1664425

[bettyellen]

174. Well... I still don't have heat, but got lights two nights ago.

And as I suspected there was a choice of a dozen restaurants and delis open the morning after. The local supermarket closed one day.
And we that lost power shared everything before it went bad from lack of refrigeration. I baked a lot and made gallons of coffee for people working outside all day.

People had bar b ques and stoop parties and offered each other sweaters and couches. People checked on their elderly neighbors and brought them fresh meals. I ran large grocery beer and wood deliveries to apartments where people gathered. Everyone drank a lot!

At night though, some neighborhoods were dark and getting pretty scary. When the cold really blew in, I had to go sleep at a friends house.

A few friends lost everything and we've made sure they had shelter and a change of clothes (no laundry) and are having some great fund raisers for them.

The hard parts were the cold and darkness, but luckily we could rely on each other to find a warm spot. I miss my own bed, but I can't complain when I see what so many others have lost. I'd be lost out in the country trying to go it on my own. Sure, I'd probably have a generator I could safely run- but it was comforting to be able to have loads of friends and neighbors around.

[Hippo_Tron]

85. This isn't the gulf coast, we're not used to hurricanes here

And even non-perishable food will go bad eventually so there's no sense in just keeping it around for years on end.

That being said, I bought a 5 gallon jug of water instead of individual bottles specifically so that it will get used for the next hurricane too.

[eqfan592]

97. You don't keep it around for years on end.

You cycle it through, eating the stuff that is nearest expiration and then replacing it. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic in actively avoiding having at least 3 days worth of food and water on hand in your home at any given time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

103. You do not keep it all year

you have a pantry? You buy your cans of soup, fish things that you can pretty much eat cold, that you will use anyway.

And this is critical. YOU CYCLE them.

When I buy my tuna, for example, I use the tuna cans within three months, but they are also perfect for lunch if the lights go out, like when we had the power outage here in San Diego.

That night I had chips, (do not require a fridge) and a can of tuna for dinner. Oh and I had some cold coffee.

I shared a few radios, I have more portables than most but that is because Dad did not take the Grundig I got them to Mexico, so I loaned them out to neighbors... just had to put in fresh batteries, which we have to spare since we use them in the flash for the camera.

And flashlights, well, pretty much in quake country, so we have a few.

[eqfan592]

105. Yep, you hit the nail right on the head.

I used to volunteer on a Red Cross disaster action team. I figured out then the value of some basic preparation. You don't have to keep a months of supplies on hand (tho if you can, that's awesome!) Just a few days at least can give you a huge leg up in so many scenarios.

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. I used to be a paramedic with the Mexican Red Cross

and a disaster manager as well, as PIO, and a few other hats.

The big city I referred to is Mexico City. After the quake some sections looked like a warzone, but most of the city still managed to keep on trucking with almost no issues. People raised food, and water, and tents and the rest of the people who lost all, and helped in rescue. It was haphazard as hell.

Why I said that a major city learned that lesson, and it applied in developing a world class civil defense system.

I helped set the emergency system in Tijuana... and these days cover emergencies, among other things, in San Diego.

Hell, earlier this day I was trying to track a wild fire in Northern Baja for the boss, since I still pretty much have contacts.

The attitude that some folks have is just damn plain silly. I mean, most of this is pretty simple and habit.

After Fukushima it's the most I have stoked up... but that was my disaster training and hubby being a retired submariner. so we bought enough canned goods for three months, and lived off that for three months. (And yes, we did have slight upticks in radiation)

[eqfan592]

111. My hat is off to you and your experience, which far outstrips my own.

Right now we are only at a few weeks worth of prep at most, mainly due to our cramped living spaces. That will change next year when my wife and I get a real home of our own.

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. My minimum in the pantry is a week

I try week and a half, I know that if we have a major one, will have to share anyway.



We have a first aid kit in the car, and another at home, and chiefly know how to use it

We also have cardboard boxes, useful for putting things away, or as emergency splints. Goes without saying the first aid kits have swiss army knives and trauma shears. The knives are for scoring the cardboard. (That is a trick I learned in Mexico City, one that EMS is no longer taught)

[eqfan592]

114. I learned to keep a good emergency car kit growing up and living in a winter environment.

Getting stuck on the road in the middle of a storm is scary stuff, something I've got some personal experience with. I learned then to dress warm, even if you can "handle the cold" because you never know what may happen. I got stuck once in the cold without all the proper gear. Never will happen again.

I keep various tools on me at all times as well. Swiss Army knife, Leatherman, fire starter, etc. I like the cardboard idea! We always have a ton around in the form of moving boxes that we save and reuse.

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. I had an accident recently

so yup. we need to replace the 4x4, was totalled, no injuries.

SO will have to figure how to get the tools and the rest into a Jeep.

We need something that may not have a light carbon footprint but can go anywhere, pretty much.

[eqfan592]

120. Been thinking about picking up a Jeep myself.

An older one, something easy to work on if need be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. Go read the jeep forum

[Hippo_Tron]

113. Don't care for canned tuna, but I see your point

I'll buy some of my non-perishable staples in bigger quantities in the future and just cycle them out. That was already my thinking during this round of "panic buying". Whatever I buy now and don't need during the storm, I'll probably just eat it later. I was shocked when I checked the expiration date on the Raisin Bran I bought and it wasn't until almost a year from now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. I mentioned the tuna since it is a common one

but yeah, any non perishables that you like, and just have a slightly larger quantity. If you insist on milk, I have considered it, getting some of the shelf stable in smaller packets, like 8 oz.

We have considered MREs, but between my food allergies and how calorically dense they are... no go

[slackmaster]

129. Yes, but you do have ice storms that paralyze transportation

A few years ago my cousin in NJ couldn't even get out of his own driveway because of black ice.

Being immobilized or without power for three days can happen just about anywhere except maybe central Arizona.

[southernyankeebelle]

9. Yes panic buying can be scary. But you have to have money to be able to buy extras.

Many of these apartment are very small. I would buy bags of ice and also I would buy powered milk and if you can buy water. Buy peanut butter. also you can fill empty bottles with water. I would buy lunch meats and bread, chips. Oh plenty of toilet paper.

[WinkyDink]

28. Lunchmeats need refrigeration, though.

[Mariana]

31. Speaking of refrigeration, I've already started making ice.

Forget cubes, they melt too fast. I use soda or juice bottles. They last a lot longer, and when they melt, you can drink the water.

[WinkyDink]

35. Thanks for the tip! For Irene, we went to a higher-ground motel. Staying put for Sandy.

[Mariana]

43. We lost power for about a day and a half with Irene.

I don't know why making blocks of ice isn't on the prep lists. Most people buy bags of it, but those little cubes melt so fast they're gone in no time. Large pieces last much longer.

[southernyankeebelle]

34. Yes but you can freeze them now and if the electricity goes out you have coolers with bags

of ice. What we do is when the big jugs of milk bottles are empty we fill them with water and freeze them. That keeps things pretty cold for a long time. But also have peanut butter and jelly.

[greytdemocrat]

14. Yes sir!!!

Bread, milk, eggs, Vodka.

[magical thyme]

27. no maple syrup?

What is it with the bread, milk, eggs....everybody goes on a french toast binge when the power goes out?

[KatyaR]

54. Oh yeah, trapped inside by a winter storm is the perfect time to cook.

There's something comforting about it, I guess because you're nice and cozy inside while Mother Nature rages outside. And what else can you do while watching 24-hour weather but eat and drink? (And knit....)

[coalition_unwilling]

162. Don't you mean 'Freedom Toast'? :) - n/t

[dsc]

15. I would fill a clean bath tub with water just in case

good luck.

[MadHound]

16. I don't get this,

I guess perhaps it was where I was raised, or how I was raised, but I always believe in being prepared. Have enough food on hand to get you through a few weeks at least, have a supply of potable water as well. Perhaps it comes from being raised in tornado country, because you never know when one will hit, and by the time you do know, it's far too late.

[bettyellen]

19. our storms get predicted many days in advance, no one has a lot of storage compared to suburban folk

but we also don't need it. Ive been through so many storms, floods and blackouts and there are always neighborhood stores and big chains staying open.
In NYC, the worst is for people in high-rises, having to take the stairs. but we weather through it just fine picking up water and flashlights at the last minute.

[Tsiyu]

125. A lot of people in the NE are transient, professionals

who are not going to be in place long enough to stockpile a cache of food. Or they fly in and out of the city and don't have time to babysit a hoard of bug-out comestibles.

My brother got hit last year in CT. Weather-related emergencies are not a joke, but we can lighten up and have some fun in the midst of the terror.

The OP was a lighthearted jab at the surreal nature of these things.

IF he needed real advice, there are a lot of prep threads and places to go to look for advice.

Yes, NYC can be as devastated as anywhere, but we can still have a little fun without denying that reality.

I think

[Bonhomme Richard]

20. Why in the world would people be buying staples? n/t

[smirkymonkey]

21. You just never know how many documents you might need to staple together in the

case of an extreme emergency. If you run out it could be a complete disaster.

[winstars]

49. I thought we were boycotting Staples??? I think I got a PM on that here at DU... n/t

[Recovered Repug]

60. There is more than one definition of staples.

Staples also refers to basic ingredients, flour, sugar, etc. I suppose in this article it's referring to canned goods.

[Tsiyu]

126. Have you been to the Lounge?

If staple use there is any indication of the level of overall staple usage...

[RebelOne]

131. This post cracks me up. You are either playing dumb or you really are.

[Bonhomme Richard]

133. I couldn't resist. It's my nature. n/t

[lynne]

26. NOW? They'll have eaten everything by the time she makes landfall -

- A tad early for storm purchases. She's not expected to get here for days.

[Mariana]

32. Nah. In the time before the storm comes,

you only eat the stuff that you already had in the fridge and freezer, the stuff that will go bad if you lose power, and leave the non-perishable things alone.

[-..__...]

36. God is angry! The end is near!

[smirkymonkey]

167. LOL! Best crack of the day!

[upi402]

37. I like zombies

I wish I could be there for the zombie apocalypse.

Seriously, hope everyone is safe.

[Electric Monk]

41. http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm

[Tsiyu]

38. "In extreme circumstances,

the assailants can be stopped by removing the head or destroying the brain.

I will repeat that: by removing the head or destroying the brain."

[Indpndnt]

39. Oh, good. At least we get to choose.

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[Tsiyu]

42. You've got red on you

[winstars]

48. "We make a stand at Zabars!!! Everyone meet at Grey's Papaya at noon..." n/t

[nolabear]

50. I hate to read threads like this. Y'all take it seriously and be careful. Remember:

Water. Fill enough for a couple of weeks. Plan on living dirty.
Ice chests: Cook the perishables and store.
If you have a deck use a grill on the perishables first. Do NOT do it inside.
Have a manual can opener and a windup radio.
Liquor is good barter.
Elevators don't work so if you're way up there you're effectively trapped.
Toilets may not work so be prepared.
Hurricane lamps and Coleman lanterns are your friend. Candles are not.
Computers and cell phones should be saved and pooled for emergency contact.
Check Craigslist for finding people if you don't know how they are.
Be sure your meds are stocked.

And above all, take care of one another. Check on that elderly neighbor. Combine resources.

Good luck, guys. We feel ya.

[hedgehog]

52. These are great for emergency lighting:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_03417169000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=30-80419932-2

http://www.basspro.com/Coleman-4D-CPX-6-Classic-LED-Lantern/product/10205231/

(Sorry i couldn't put my hands on an image just now)

[bluestate10]

68. I purchased a Maglite LED light and a PrincetonTec LED headlamp. Both are USA made. nt

B

[uppityperson]

53. ++++++

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Let me add

for family reunification, use the American Red Cross service.

I may not like them in many respects, but damn it, that they do well.

[gkhouston]

127. Also, wash clothes. If you're possibly going into a mult-day period with no power,

it's good to have plenty of clean clothes on hand.

[coalition_unwilling]

163. "Liquor is good barter"?? Um, I'll trade you my bottle of Johnnie Walker Black for your

roll of Charmin?



Sorry, in the midst of eminently sensible suggestions, that one had me laughing a bit.

[Politicub]

66. NY is the media capital of the world... Every news organization is there.

Very meta.

[HarveyDarkey]

110. Staples, but no staplers?

That's strange.