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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Does your husband know you've been touching Petraeus under the table?
hope both of these women and Petraeus and all the men involved are getting all the attention they obviously needed
Some divorce attorneys are going to get a nice payday soon LOL
It's the daily mall but who cares, more juicy to read
'Does your husband know you've been touching Petraeus under the table?' The cat-fight emails sent by Paula Broadwell to supposed love rival Jill Kelly
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232133/Does-husband-know-youve-touching-Petraeus-table-The-cat-fight-emails-sent-Paula-Broadwell-supposed-love-rival-Jill-Kelly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
The mistress of shamed former CIA chief David Petraeus accused her supposed love-rival of touching him under the table and asked if her husband was aware of her actions, in a string of threatening emails.
Paula Broadwell's affair with Petraeus was exposed after she sent a series of messages to Florida socialite Jill Kelly, apparently warning her off her lover.
She does have that, "I'll let you stick it anywhere you want for a scoop look"
while petrahorny has that "Can you believe I'm tapping this! I look like a turtle! expression"
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)This is beginning to sound like one of those "Wives of whatever" reality shows...except in this case it's the "Lovers of the Pentagon." Can a Lifetime or Bravo show be far away?
joe_sixpack
(721 posts)In fact, I thought one of those photos was of a Kardashian! Are we sure this isn't a script that accidentally was mistaken for a news report?
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)For their sakes, I hope it doesn't extend to their intellects as well.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)renate
(13,776 posts){head tilt to the left}
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)- one of the NYC cops in "The Out of Towners".
On Edit: My first girlfriend called it "Ralph".
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)or are you just happy to see me - PB
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)flamingdem
(39,320 posts)What else can we wring out of this "republatragedy"
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Big Bird won.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)The women would have these loud cat fights in the barracks and of course we'd all get our leaves taken away. The guys just went in the laundry room, had their fist fights and left their disagreements there with our superiors being none the wiser.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)traditional male-behavior: a physical fight doesn't necessarily fix the underlying issue or favor the just party. But it does end things, permanently and let's people move on with their lives.
Quite civilized and rational.
Settling disputes by screaming and scheming seems very inefficient to me (particularly since it never seems to actually solve anything).
ismnotwasm
(42,003 posts)When my daughter served in Afghanistan she worked under a first Sargent who was just an asshole. Did all kinds of weird shit. He comment was "you don't DO that in a high stress environment with a bunch of soldiers carrying around big guns"
The guy got moved elsewhere after enough complaints. And screaming and scheming by the guys.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)with hundreds of people over that time
it was generally the men that were the screamer/schemer gossip mongering/rumour mongering ones.
This was my personal observation and not saying that is true everywhere but just to assume it's women who have these traits and men don't, or as much, is absolutely not true by what I have witnessed over many years with many, many people.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)personally i was not much into cliches ect... in high school and even older never much into that behavior. but, ok, we give it to women.
damn straight, now that i have two boys i am calling them on the behavior and saying, wtf is this saying it is a female trait.
even in business i never much listened to it. i always felt would end up nippy me on the ass, even if i wasnt saying anything, so just walk away. i didnt need or want the drama trauma in life or work.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)I am in college and notice that the guys gossip and scheme just as much as the girls do. My ex boyfriend's friend was one example of a gossiping harpy, who would lie, scheme and back stab better than any queen bee in high school. However, women are always haunted with that stereotype when it can go both ways.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)And I suspect many who made it out of public school did as well.
A male bully will beat you senseless, but he won't gossip about you and try to drive a wedge between you and your friends.
A female bully often won't be overtly physically violent (although that happens as well, particularly among the very young) but she will spread rumors and attempt to destroy your reputation.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I guess yours is different,
that's okay, you know.
all kinds of wedges from male bullies in my experience. real nasty shit.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Although I suspect part of the difference stems from societal acceptance of violence against boys vs girls.
If a guy starts spouting off he's likely to get beaten up.
If a girl does it . . . you sit there quietly and take it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)edbermac
(15,945 posts)This story is getting weirder by the minute.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"...the Joint Chief is what I call my penis."
- General David Petraeus
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)"I'm a spy, baby. Like James Bond. You know, double oh 7? Except, I'm more like double oh 9 and a half".
Fitting with the new Bond film out this past weekend.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)joint
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)funny . . . if these people weren't in charge of our safety.
Our sexual prudery is more than just silly; apparently it's actually making us less safe.
Let's discard it.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)sorry to turtle lookalikes, but I did laugh...
Poor Betrayus--his concubine isn't gonna see him the same way anymore...she's not about "true luv." He's small turtle again.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)floozy? debaucher? womanizer? hussy?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)him. so are you going to call him a floozy? womanizer? no more so than her being a manizer. hussy? really? again, is there a problem with a woman having sex.
but, she is not in a subservient role so she is not a concubine.
i get it. i get that you men need to have women serve you in a subservient manner. but, this is not it.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I use concubine loosely like consort or paramour--I use the words interchangeably re gender.
Would extracurricular fuckbuddy be better? What would you prefer?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or, now, when people just say something wrong, are we really gonna jump up and down and yell pc police, when corrected?
you might better question why all the names we have for women when it comes to sexuality makes them powerless, without rights, control or voice.
dontcha think?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I think you can call a woman's "other man" a concubine. In this case, the man is a general and they are in fact, not equals. So I see her as more his concubine. I could imagine it the other way around, as women get more power.
I think the way to deal with PC terms is to question them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)con·cu·bine/ˈkäNGkyo͝oˌbīn/
Noun:
(in polygamous societies) A woman who lives with a man but has lower status than his wife or wives.
A mistress.
she is not kept. she is not servicing anymore than he is. she is making her choices independent of him.
it has nothing to do with pc. it has everything to do with proper usage of a word
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)eg. I don't use the word "mistress." But I do use "concubine" as meaning illicit consort for either gender.
If you don't like this, what other word is there?
In this case I do think this woman has a lower status than the wife, as far as society is concerned. How could she have the same status?
An interesting question would be how does Paula's husband feel about it? -- ie. what name would he give to HER concubine?
Should we just go with girlfriend and boyfriend then? But that doesn't distinguish between the unmarried terms.
It is confusing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is really saying something. no voice. no rights. no anything. ownership.
that is not what this is.
what would i call a woman fucking around with a man who is fucking around while both are married. i dont need to name call. i dont know. assholes. jerks.
geez. and what name would petreaus wife give to him. fucker?? asshole??
what you are not getting is you keep putting womens sexuality in ownership of some man. being it the general or the hubby.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)you're not name calling and then you use 3 negative epithets for the principles in the liaison.
I'm not putting anything in terms of ownership. I'm agreeing it is done by either sex these days. I'm looking for a mere term for the relationship that is not a cuss word. So for my own purposes, I just call all cases of it "concubinage." I guess I don't ever see it as a relationship of equality. Not if it's an extended affair. You do?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)relationships between two adults as equal.
if there was a condition where one has power over the other, or some evidence power was used over another. then i would be right there
i see two users using each other for their reasons.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--"a male or female lover, usually illicit" is the common definition...
AP source: "Target of emails from Petraeus paramour is State Department military liaison"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-source-target-of-emails-from-petraeus-paramour-is-state-department-military-liaison/2012/11/11/82e7de62-2c35-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html
OK so I will go with "paramour" --is that a good compromise here?
(adulterer sounds too biblical for me)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:46 PM - Edit history (1)
i have been so busy and saw that you posted a reply. i am thinkin thinkin thinkin and decided i had to go to a thesaurus. and how i am just not up on cool, hip words that is two adults fuckin each other behind partners backs.
that sounds perfect marion. seems to be the word.
A lover, especially one in an adulterous relationship.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Yeah maybe there's a point to reviving the medieval word "par amour" (I think comes from Fr.) since it is uni-sex.
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Some poster on a blog points out that it sounds more chic than "Adulterer"
Paramour is not so much illicit as destructive, an indulgence of betrayal for momentary or temporary pleasure. Perhaps the word paramour implies an affluent or aristocratic setting. The formality of referring to an adulterer as a paramour, as in, affair of the heart (l amour) a seedy and scarcely hidden refuge of those that marry for family or monetary advantage, rather than respect and affection for a mate.
On a lighter note, this was posted:
"Down south, we often confuse paramour with its homonym, power mower. Then again, its great when you can get your paramour to cut your grass."
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)
In that case, it's not equal & she's the predator This is a dual gender demon:
"In folklore traced back to medieval legend, a succubus (plural succubi) is a female demon or supernatural being appearing in dreams, who takes the form of a human woman in order to seduce men, usually through sexual intercourse. The male counterpart is the incubus. Religious traditions hold that repeated intercourse with a succubus may result in the deterioration of health or even death."
He doesn't seem like an incubus--he risked and lost too much in the deal. An incubus would be like a rapist.
"An incubus (nominal form constructed from the Latin verb, incubo, incubare, or "to lie upon" is a demon in male form who, according to a number of mythological and legendary traditions, lies upon sleepers, especially women, in order to have sexual intercourse with them. Its female counterpart is the succubus."
Just speculating here...not arguing with you. (I mean, who really knows?...but in this case it seems to me that SHE has the power....the power to destroy...)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Maybe Broadwell and Petraeus were kinky. Who knows?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But you know how these rumors escalate day by day.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fuck buddy 2042 up, 922 down
n. A sex partner to whom you have no special attachment. A person you occasionally have sex with who is not your S.O.
A fuck buddy is similar to a friend with benefits.
3. fuck buddy 1479 up, 722 down
A person who is not your boyfriend or girlfriend (or farmyard animal), with whom you have sexual relations, on the mutual understanding that you both want sex and nothing more.
Strictly, for the term 'fuck buddy' to apply, both people involved have to be single.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck%20buddy
*not a farm animal, yawl. lol.
i didnt see gay linked to any of the definition, just someone who is SO for a fuck.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)no fuckbuddy would jealous email.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or relationship and all about her and her ego. are you kidding.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Might have started there, but not since about 1982.
Lilyeye
(1,417 posts)However, I am in my 20s and people my age use the term to describe hetero or homosexual relationships all the time.
ismnotwasm
(42,003 posts)BAD visual.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)and his hand looks like he has a weak handshake
Carolina
(6,960 posts)her arms in the sleeveless photo... I can see the dominatrix thing easily
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)broiles
(1,370 posts)aletier_v
(1,773 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)sister Natalie, because she is or was dating a prominent Democratic fundraiser, after divorcing the Bush appointee Wolfe guy.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/battle_john_allen_also_helped_jill_YjkEYUNY2INC4smBMEYqUI
A spokesman for Whitehouse today that lawyer, Gerald Harrington, has dated and "may have been engaged to Khawam." Harrington has not returned a call seeking comment.
Khawam claimed in a July 12 letter to her estranged husband that she took their now 4-year-old son "on vacation last year to Martha Vineyard," where their son and "I had a great time at the DSCC [Democratic Senate Campaign Committee] event."
(snip)
"Derry Gerry," Whitehouse wrote. "I am excited to hear that you and [Khawam's son] may be coming to the Family Clambake. That would be terrific! All the best wishes, Sheldon."
(snip)
That letter was written to Harrington, who has been a fundraiser for Kerry and other Democrats out of Rhode Island. Harrington, according to Khawam's federal bankruptcy filing earlier this year in Florida, gave her a personal loan of $300,000.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I'm glad to see that she only has a passing acquaintance (it seems) with our Senators. She and her sister seem like people you don't want to be mixed up with.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I believe it was discharged in bankruptcy along with a total of $4 million in debt.
http://www.golocalprov.com/news/new-ri-lobbyist-gave-300000-loan-to-sister-of-jill-kelley/
Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)"Or you'll go blind," his mother added.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)seem like an angel.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)to notice, but the really sad thing about all of this is how bad the situation is in Afghanistan and these "leaders" seem to be spending more time on this crap than conducting the war.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)past 4 months or so?