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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCornel West calls Obama a ‘Republican in blackface’
In a recent interview on Democracy Now!, ex-Princeton professor and frequent Obama critic Dr. Cornel West lashed out against the president as well as pundits Michael Eric Dyson, Melissa Harris-Perry and Rev. Al Sharpton.
West called Obama a Rockefeller Republican in blackface and said Dyson, Harris-Perry and Sharpton were all for sale.
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West has been criticized himself for the personal nature of many of his attacks on the president. He has questioned Obamas racial authenticity on numerous occasions.
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In February West called Harris-Perry a liar and said that, [s]hes become the momentary darling of liberals, but I pray for her because shes in over her head. Shes a fake and a fraud. I was so surprised how treacherous the sister was.
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http://thegrio.com/2012/11/12/cornel-west-calls-obama-a-republican-in-blackface/
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)in a split second...
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emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)Lefty version of crazy Obama-hating Freeper.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)And he'd do it on MSNBC if they let him. He's not black, he's green (with jealousy).
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mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)tried to dissect others intentions. No one scorned him when he, as a supposed learned man, made a ridiculous rap video. In four years, if he feels he can do a better job, let him throw his hat in the ring. It would be laughable.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)in Blackface.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)young but wise
(869 posts)demhottie
(292 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He's entitled to his opinion but he's become slightly unhinged.
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)academic intellectual, instead of such a petty way. He does his own reputation considerable damage, whether he has valid arguments or not. I used to listen to him when he made appearances on shows like Bill Maher... Now, I find it difficult.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)longer accountable for anything he says in a job where he never has to worry about another paycheck,
Cornell West continues to throw hand grenades at others for not being risk takers.
Cornell West is the greatest hypocrite in Western Civilization.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)his own self promotion. Remember his primary criticism against Obama is that he is not a risk taker. This against the guy who turned down the 'golden ticket' of a Wall Street partnership or a clerkship on the Supreme Court to work on civil rights for minimal pay in Chicago from the guy who has the ultimate 'golden ticket' in academia, but go ahead and be a true believer if you like his kind of s$%t.
young but wise
(869 posts)I wish I could rec this post.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)that brings him wealth and go work with poor people like President Obama chose to do? Why doesn't West run for elected office? West is a Poser in Black face.
bayareamike
(602 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)African-American Student Achievement, where he specifically cited to the need for role-modeling.
I asked him a question that I'm certain got me kicked off his Xmas Card list and, probably, barred from any and all of his private events.
I asked:
The glare he gave me could have stopped a clock ... and shortly thereafter, I found myself ushered to the outer lobby.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Did he say anything at all?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)eyes and tightening jaw.
I got the message clearly.
Iris
(15,665 posts)He's a professor emeritus at Princeton. I don't know if that title involves a paycheck or a pension or if it is just honorary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)was back in 2004.
But that said, UTS is not Princeton (where he was at the time); but then, though the "birthplace of Black Liberation Theology", it still is not a HBCU, any one of which coulod/would benefit greatly by his, or Dyson's name.
Iris
(15,665 posts)I was actually responding to the post that you were responding to because, as I said, I'm not sure he continues to be paid by Princeton.
But I do understand everything you are saying.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Everyone that retires from academia gets a pension, or whatever retirement plan is offered, but a professor emeritus is granted access to the facilities of the institution for life, and many of the privileges of a still working employee. This means they can park in the faculty lots, maintain an office, use the phones and faxes, etc., if they wish. More or less.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)He is thin skinned enough to have taken you out.
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Indianademocrat91
(390 posts)Is this not just the reverse racism which then allows Freepers and their ilk to claim that they aren't racists, since we say it too? What is the point in saying this? Degrading popular black figures in order to make news for yourself, just another attention needing nobody. Setting himself up for a spot as a Fixed News contributor??
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)AlexSatan
(535 posts)He'd better not lay a glove on him!!
still_one
(92,375 posts)appointed him to determine who is "liberal" or "black" enough to pass his test?
He didn't win any election
He is just a blow hard who is as irrelevant as romney
Whisp
(24,096 posts)are you kidding me?
he's an idiot child.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)and is now pissed off.
"Republican in blackface."
What a fucking asshole!
goclark
(30,404 posts)No more
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)... that he isn't asked to be a guest on msnbc anymore.
He needs to grow a brain (Moran... lol) and realize if your only responses have racial overtones, pretty soon you'll be preaching to only yourself.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)haircut. Juvenile asshole. He needs to grow the fuck up.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Sad. Can't wait until his buddy, Tavis, piles on, too.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I know he can be colorful at times, but he is a solid progressive I believe. And that is more than can be said for Mr. Obama, here is hoping the president can change and push more liberal and progressive policies in a second term.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He most times can be a liability for progressive causes. It's about winning hearts and minds, not driving a wedge. He has a National platform to recruit progressives and sometimes his rhetoric scares them away. That's an embarrassing statement to make bringing up 'blackface'.
cali
(114,904 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)who is an African-American, just like Obama. I think I have read in the past he resents and accuses Obama in that he has not done enough for the black community, and other prominent blacks also agree with him, like the Travis guy I believe.
cali
(114,904 posts)he is consistent in his use of hideously racist language and accusing the President of not being black. It's flat out racist and it couldn't be fucking clearer.
He's a vile little man. Great intellectual he is not. And by the way that other blacks agree with him is no more an endorsement for his disgusting racist dog shit than that other whites agree with David Duke.
Duh.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)and just like Professor West, you are entitled to it. I don't happen to agree with your opinion, and think you are way off base.
cali
(114,904 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)and a known and respected leader of the black community, I think it is a totally different situation, than for instance, if a white man had said it. I give Dr. West leeway because of this in his admittedly colorful use of language.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)No, it's the same racist assholery, but it's no wonder you can't recognize that.
cali
(114,904 posts)And your defense of his racist dog shit says a lot. Not only that but your condescension toward people of color is distasteful. And you seem clueless that you're doing it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)Response to quinnox (Reply #30)
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)The poster will defend anyone who takes a shot at the President while still being seen as maintaining his "liberal cred".
emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)He's attacking Perry and Sharpton for supporting the President.
President Obama is not responsible for the decades of inequality and oppression suffered by the black community.
In fact, the President's policies have done more for blacks than at any other time in the last 50 years.
This is why record number of blacks turned out to support the President in Georgia.
Screw West!
quinnox
(20,600 posts)from you. Might as well say the Sun is going to rise this morning, it is clockwork. Doesn't need to be said.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)appacom
(296 posts)gets invited regularly to the white house and he doesn't. Sharpton has deep connections in poor communities where West has none. West can sneer at Sharpton's sometimes questionable grammar and lack of Harvard sophistication all he wants, but it doesn't changethe fact that he has no connection with grassroots organizing networks that stretch throughout this country. Its his sense of entitlement that leads him to presume he speaks for anyone other than the "niggerati" as Zora Neal Hurston called that particularly odious segment of Black America.
I am African American like Obama and West, and actually isn't insulting to call Cornell what he is. My community refers to him as an Uncle Tom, he only comes on tv to trash Obama and Morning Joe and other right wing shows only let him on to trash Obama. If he really is progressive, why sell a book to us instead of telling people how to lift people out of poverty for free. He is a poverty hustler. Along with his friend Tavis.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)thanks for your perspective.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)Not everything or everyone who makes a buck dissenting in the black community or from it is unworthy of getting paid.
satxdem
(131 posts)In the black community. But let's be honest, if we are really concerned about poverty, which has been a problem for decades, we shouldn't charge people for the secret to get out. Just tell people for free. I think it matters enough that it shouldn't cost. Reminds me of Romney, won't tell you what I plan to do until you elect me. If you care about the country tell us for free. That's my point. When he keeps attacking Obama's blackness it makes it hard to believe he is agitating in good faith. Talk about Obama's policies instead of his background.
LTR
(13,227 posts)All that narcissism must completely suck all the air out of the room.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)That is who I meant. I know he has been on the side and saying the same things that West has in the past.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)The Left's biggest enemy is not the Right. The Left's biggest enemy is itself. We're too often a circular firing squad.
No matter what some leader on the Left does, we can be assured someone else on the Left is going to cry "He / she hasn't done ENOUGH!" Then proceed to rip apart said leadership.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)an unrestrained egoist, maybe, but not a racist.
cali
(114,904 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I can attest to a fact and belief that the comment by a Black man about a Black man, is ill-advised (because it sparks these type of discussions), imprudent (because it smacks of disrespect) and flat out stupid (because it takes on a clownish nature all its own); but it is not racist.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)He has no sense of a broader society. He should go to a fucking teabagger convention, with the exception that he would be auguring the other side of the coin, he would fit right in.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)President Obama repealed DADT, rejected DOMA and stoodup for marriage equality, enacted Wall Street reform, strengthened Medicare and added benefits to the program, and also did this:
By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON The House gave final approval on Wednesday to a bill extending health insurance to millions of low-income children, and President Obama signed it this afternoon, in the first of what he hopes will be many steps to guarantee coverage for all Americans.
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The roll call ended a two-year odyssey for the child health legislation, which President George W. Bush adamantly opposed on the ground it would lead to government-run health care for every American.
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In a major change, the bill allows states to cover certain legal immigrants namely, children under 21 and pregnant women as well as citizens.
Until now, legal immigrants have generally been barred from Medicaid and the State Childrens Health Insurance Program for five years after they enter the United States. States will now be able to cover those immigrants without the five-year delay.
- more -
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics/05health.html
16 million: number of Americans who become eligible for Medicaid under the health care law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002531684
Health care reform is the law of the land: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021808119
This election feels different
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021769342
This is what FORWARD looks like!
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021794610
Suck it detractors. Seriously!
Cha
(297,574 posts)work to good use when needed to apply!
JudyM
(29,270 posts)I've respected the NSP's vision and values up till now - as one of its 3 founders, West's attack on Obama is a real turnoff for me re:that group. Sure they're more liberal than him, but there ought to be an attempt to work with him instead of slamming him for concessions that in his judgment he must make in order to get any progress with this Congress. This is just classless and anger-based. Makes me feel bad for Obama, between this and the FL guy killing himself and the woman running over her husband just because he won reelection.
http://spiritualprogressives.org/newsite/
Plus - a central tenet of the NSP's platform is caring compassion. West's characterization is coming from a far different place. Lerner ought to boot him for this hate speech.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I've liked West when I've seen him or read what he's written, but it's been a while since I've done either.
This makes me really sad.
I agree with what you said here.
JudyM
(29,270 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)But then he can't get elected dog-catcher.
Too easy to judge from the sidelines.
Plaid Adder
(5,518 posts)You know, if you want to call Obama a Republican masquerading as a progressive, I don't necessarily agree but it's a legitimate argument. But there's no excuse for this bullshit about who's "really black" and who isn't.
yeesh,
The Plaid Adder
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)as he gets on tv to hear his mouth yammering?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Reminds me of Helen Thomas and her rant about "the Jews".
one_voice
(20,043 posts)of a tea bagger. He wants his way and he wants it now. If he doesn't get it he says nasty shit like this.
Make no mistake, there will be those who will rush to his defense (right here on DU). Shaking their heads in unison as they talk about about West speaking truth to the power. He's a true progressive and anyone that disagrees is a nasty corporatist and 3rd wayer. They've become bullies; Obama bad and anyone that disagrees with that position MUST be a 3rd wayer a repub in sheeps clothing that's the only explanation. So calling the president racists names is fine with them as long as it's one of theirs doing it.
Let me be clear, it's NEVER ok to call anyone names like this. I wouldn't be ok with calling Herman Cain this. It's racist; and Cornell West should NOT be excused for saying this. Yes he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to call him a bitter nasty racist piece of shit.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I agree with everything you've stated in your post. Everything.
winstars
(4,220 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)He labeled Obama a "Rockefeller republican", which in these days of Overton Window shifting means he is to the left of all current repig office holders & to the left of many Blue Dog Democrats.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Will you PLEASEEEEE invite Cornell West to THIS Swearing In Ceremony and Whitehouse Ball, and possibly, a State Dinner or two?
Apparently, hurt feelings die hard deaths.
satxdem
(131 posts)Right! My mom and I say that each time we see him on tv spewing his Obama hates free black man, etc. garbage. Somebody please give that man a ticket.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)He SEEMS to have drunk too much of the Libertarian, anti-Fed, central bank opponents, minstrel-hating kkkool-aid. Also he seems to want to throw an opinion bomb that dirties Obama such that Obama can't ignore it, so that he might possibly get Obama to somewhat spend his 'forward' time trying to undo this dirtying smear, or branding.
BUT I've read everything he's ever written, have seen him in person at adult and teen forums, and prefer this take: he's very likely trying on the persona of the new Bad Guy firebrand to draw hatred away from Obama and toward other blacks who would run interference. It would create space for his governing, get him more respect and interaction with representatives from DC, take some of the heat off him from white supremacy cultures.
Having taught in and worked in one of Chicago's South Side black communities, and its professional teaching class, I know that American blacks are well aware of his tactics, and have used these tactics to distract (minstrel shows) and deflect (creating nuisance events). Seriously, I have studied, taught and KNOW that West is too aware of the great history of social tactics and minstrel debates in the black community to not know exactly what he is doing.
West might very well be way more aware of the dangerous circles through which Obama's going to have to navigate than the rest of us do, so relax. Times are getting very dangerous for Obama. This is calculated.
AND I will always give Cornel West, a man who's never afraid to admit his mistakes -- unlike Rove, Romney or the entire GOP -- the benefit of the doubt. I say watch and wait. This man is a team player on behalf of black progress, and is not an egotistical player.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...minstrel-hating kkkool-aid."
West has gone over the edge. He needs to get the fuck over what's bothering him. He's making a complete fool of himself.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)ancianita
(36,132 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)And try to stop indulging spoiled children with your too cool for school bullshit.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)You're with the popular kids. You project nothing but old too-cool-for-school self righteous outrage, yourself. If he wants to destroy his public image, it's still his to let go of. Try digging into the man's work before participating in the mass stomping.
DoBotherMe
(2,340 posts)Dana ; )
ancianita
(36,132 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)You do not call someone on your side a name like this. Isn't that one of the worst insults that one African American can make against another? And you want to claim this is all some Machiavellian scheme?
Sorry, I do not buy this for one second.
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)It has enough vitriol and hate.
Cha
(297,574 posts)everybody. Imagine that upsetting people.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)I really think they're playing Good Cop, Bad Cop allowing Obama to be Good Cop while they play Bad Cop.
I dig Cornel West & this is out of character from what I have heard from him.
When Jesse Jackson said he wanted to "cut his nuts off" back in 2008, that image didn't rhyme with his tears at Obama's inauguration.
I NEVER believed that Obama truly disassociated from Jeremiah Wright after being associated with him for so long.
And now we got Cornel West jumping on Obama in this way.
To me, when you look at the larger picture, they are working within this system that STILL has racism embedded in it to allow Whites to love Obama more.
By going against Obama publicly, they create distinction between the Black Movement of the past & Obama's current movement.
Why DID a kid from Hawaii want to go to Chicago of all places?
That is Jesse Jackson-land.
Why would he go to work on those Chicago streets?
Look at his background after that working as a lawyer for civil rights & community development, his background with Illinois' Project Vote which aimed at getting hundreds of thousands of unregistered Blacks to register to vote.
That's why I KNOW Obama is not a "Centrist".
He IS a Progressive but to me it seems he has found logistical blocks to running as a Progressive openly.
He has to work his way through this system to change it from the inside.
That was the whole purpose of running for political office & quickly climbing ranks.
There was only so much he could do on those streets, & only so much he could do as a lawyer.
He had to shape the laws to help others like him who still worked as community organizers & lawyers protecting civil rights & the poor.
He has to play The Game.
He went from Illinois State Senator to Illinois U.S. Senator to President playing this Game.
Now that he's at the seat of power, he has to pull certain levers inside this machine to make it easier for all the community organizers & champions of the poor to do their work.
Causing the Republican Party to implode is one of those levers.
I got caught up in the details without referencing the big picture & that's why I got mad at Obama in 2010.
Just like posters here at getting mad at Cornel West for his comments.
When you look at what has happened & the big picture it all becomes clearer & you recognize what's going on.
That's how I got over my misdirected anger & got behind Obama for 2012.
Cornel West is not against Barack Obama & neither is Jesse Jackson & neither is Jeremiah Wright.
There are political realities in this country & these men know what's at stake.
It may LOOK like the old 'Crabs In A Barrel' routine but they're providing cover for Obama so that he can better pull those levers.
It's only intuition giving me this view so take it for what it is.
But I feel this is what is going on.
I never would have thought the Republican Party would be at death's door when Obama ran in 2008.
I knew they were weakened but I never thought that they could be gone.
But that's exactly what's happening here in 2012.
Obama's doing a Reagan In Reverse creating Obama Republicans just like Reagan created Reagan Democrats.
So in this 2nd term, I'm not gonna be so quick to go catatonic at the details. Not until I see how the big picture's going.
I'm just watching & observing right now. These are some smart people here.
I believe they know EXACTLY what they're doing.
John Lucas
RandySF
(59,171 posts)He really isn't worthy of it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and will continue to be, but you're not helping...
ancianita
(36,132 posts)Y'all should understand more black history. You underestimate the black professional class' historical brain power in this current case. Please don't quickly adopt the white world's shallow understandings of internal black politics. West is not who he presents himself to be, and right now, he knows what he's doing. There's the similar tactic used in Republican circles -- the clowntard foil for the 'lead man' -- I'm sure you'll recall from this past election.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...I'm black, and so are Perry and Sharpton, and I think West is full of shit!
ancianita
(36,132 posts)I think you need to wait and see. I've watched good politics and racial politics for a long time and know how interference gets run. Have you read his books? You think they are not at the heart of who he is and how he operates? West is fully capable of the "full of shit" persona for the sake of clearing space for a brother. You might still be too quickly adopting the popular view here.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)His emotional responses instead of critical thinking and factual discussion of the issues are the mark of a man without a rational argument.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)He's solidifying his status as an embarrassing sociopolitical pariah, at this point.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)on the subject of race and inequality in our society.
Childish namecalling doesn't help, hell, we do it here, but this isn't anywhere near the halls of academia.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Their meal ticket target is in place for another 4 years.
You'd think they'd at least stop and be glad for America that Romney isn't in place.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)datasuspect
(26,591 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)Hate to break to you speculators who don't know anything about President Obama but he's only himself.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)in many ways.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)He needs to apologize for his jealous and nasty behavior.
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cali
(114,904 posts)but I know you should get your ass back under whatever slimy bridge you crawled out from
cash__whatiwant
(396 posts)struggle4progress
(118,332 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)He will express himself with the most flowery language possible when a simple sentence would do just as well.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Paragraph #2
West begins with a bit of historical revision. West suggests that the president discarded him without provocation after he offered the Obama for America campaign his loyal service and prayers. But anyone with a casual knowledge of this rift knows it began during the Democratic primary, not after the election. It began, not with a puffed-up president but when Cornel Wests dear brother Tavis Smiley threw a public tantrum because Senator Obama refused to attend Smileys annual State of Black America. Smiley repeatedly suggested that his forum was the necessary black vetting space for the Democratic nominees. He needed to ask Obama and Clinton tough questions so that black America could get the answers it needed. But black America was doing a fine job making up its own mind in the primaries and didnt need Smileys blessing to determine their own electoral preferences. Indeed, when Smiley got a chance to hold candidate Clinton accountable he spent more time fawning over her than probing about her symbolic or substantive policy stances that impacted black communities. Fiercely loyal to his friend, Professor West chose sides and began to undermine candidate Obama is small and large ways. Candidate Obama ceased calling West back because he was in the middle of a fierce campaign and Wests loyalties were, at best, divided. I suspect candidate Obama did not trust his dear brother to keep the campaign secrets and strategies. I also suspect he was not inaccurate in his hesitancy.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)One guy's in the entertainment business and the other's in academia, cutting past some monolithic image of African America. Ms. Perry is a fair minded recorder of events here. I hope she continues to foreground more internal back and forth.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)"Furthermore, Wests sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological. In Hedgess article West claims that a true progressive would always put love of the people above concern with the elite and privileged. Then he complains, I couldnt get a ticket [to the inauguration] with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration . We had to watch the thing in the hotel. Let me get this straightthe tenured, Princeton professor who collects five figures for public lectures was relegated to a hotel television while an anonymous hotel worker got tickets to the inauguration! What kind of crazy, mixed-up class politics are these? Wait a minute "
byeya
(2,842 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)and Professor Reich didn't say that the President is in "blackface". Rather large differences.
byeya
(2,842 posts)as a moderate to conservative politician and fully in tune with the corporate set up. West added the unneeded, and rather nasty, blackface comment.
If you think the blackface insult was the real message than I feel sorry for you.
Cha
(297,574 posts)obscured his message when he decided to get stupid in his attacks on President Obama and anyone really. . who he feels isn't toeing his line.
kooljerk666
(776 posts)
Im glad there was not a right-wing takeover, but we end up with a Republican, a Rockefeller Republican in blackface, with Barack Obama, so that our struggle with regard to poverty intensifies.
Robert Reich is really progressive, but he did work for Clinton. Should he really be attacking Obama for not being far enough left? Clinton was no progressive to be honest, very conservative democrat. Progress takes time, I think we need to realize that. Half of the country is still crazy republicans, we aren't going to have our way completely. But I do understand the urge to show some fight. But Obama is no republican. Not defending Doma, ending DADT, stimulus, homeless prevention, climate change, lily ledbetter, healthcare reform etc. I know it's not enough but let's be real, would republicans do any of this? Not likely.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)I don't know how you can accomplish anything if you refuse to engage with,.. for lack of a better word your enemy, but doing so pisses people off. Every day the same sentiment is expressed here. It is easy to sit back and criticize based not on reality, but on perception.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)Maher will call him out on this. I do like Dr. West as a guest on Real Time. He is a little over the top but there are many in the black community saying what he says. To insult Dr. West's intelligence is misguided. He is a brilliant scholar who talks out his ass at times.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)bamacrat
(3,867 posts)And I agree with some of the criticism of him but some of it I feel is just an attempt to get their names in headlines.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)black. I have never heard the kind of disrepectful bullshit leveled against this president in "the black community". Put a number on "many", or stop speaking for all of us.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)Not saying they are right or even justified but there are more than one.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)widespread disaffection in the black community as the results of last week's election proved. A "few" outspoken dopes, do not translate to "many". Just so you know.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)Shame on you.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
hughee99
(16,113 posts)IMHO, If he were just another white politician, it would just be "par for the course" but it appears West (fairly or unfairly) expected something from Obama that he clearly didn't get.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)A quote from Frederick Douglass, Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln
Both Frederick Douglass and Malcolm X would have said something similar, were they alive today. And that's not hyperbole, either. Read the oration from which that's excerpted, read the Autobiography of Malcolm X and listen to his post-Mecca writings and speeches.
It's because Douglass, Malcolm X and Cornell West all have one thing in common: They were black populists.
Mary Todd Lincoln understood this, as most of you apparently don't seem to, and recognized Douglass in return for his honesty in describing her late husband.
What Dr. West has said is, on inspection, no true calumny.
PB
cali
(114,904 posts)oh, and it is indeed calumny.
The Link
(757 posts)I also believe he is dead on about Michael Eric Dyson at least.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan disagrees with your opinion on what post-mecca Malcolm X would have said regarding President Obama. And strongly disagree with Professor West's characterization of President Obama.
However, I agree that Frederick Douglass comment on Lincoln was/is spot on.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)West is an attention-seeking clown.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I guess west is on the %^&* list
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)West has been mentoring him for years. He is widely credited with keeping Sharpton on the high road during his Senate run years ago.
Shocking considering Rev. Al always fights the good fight. Trayvon Martin, voting rights, healthcare, all things in the fight for justice.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Alas, something has gone awry, and he seems stuck in the Ivory Tower, instead of truly working for actual change.
ancianita
(36,132 posts)is his advice to a young man who asked what he might do to help the cause, to which Douglass answered,"Agitate! Agitate! Agitate!" This is exactly how I think West honors Douglass' legacy. Short of getting to BE Fredrick Douglass, I think he does what he thinks Douglass would do to help this president. His namecalling gets constant headlines away from Obama. He knows the namecalling he's going to reap in return.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...Cornel West on the Election of Barack Obama, Nov. 19, 2008.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/19/cornel_west_on_the_election_of
More:
http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/cornel_west
PS: Thank you,ancianita. The president has done much good in four years, yet he has not done all he could in the opinion of Dr. West -- an opinion I share.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)the beginning of the first term.
Now he is working on tarnishing his own reputation and legacy.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)He's a cipher who can barely (just barely) get noticed on the internet. So like Alan West, he says the most outrageous shit he can think of so someone will pay attention.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)he's such an ugly ignorant promoter.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)are you too calling Obama a "Republican in blackface"?
Sid
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Obama's policies are that of a Rockerfeller Republican.
AMY GOODMAN: Thats a pretty rough assessment of President Obama.
CORNEL WEST: Oh, thats what we have. Thats what we have. Richard Nixon is to the left of him on healthcare. Richard Nixon is to the left of him on guaranteed income. And the same policies in terms of imperial foreign policy is at work. And so, I was glad to see that Romney didnt win. We pushed back a right-wing takeover. Weve got a right-wing mentality: cut, cut, cut, austerity, austerity, austerity. Where is the serious talk about investment in jobs, fighting the privatizing of education, and the empowerment of trade unions? And so, our battle is just beginning. We have yet to take off the gloves. You know, weve been fighting intensely.
...
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/9/tavis_smiley_cornel_west_on_the
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Richard Nixon is to the left of him on healthcare. Richard Nixon is to the left of him on guaranteed income. And the same policies in terms of imperial foreign policy is at work."
Nixon wanted to abort biracial babies: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/nixon-tapes-abortion-nece_n_219746.html
Obama's health care law is the biggest expansion of Medicaid since its inception. None of the health care laws offered up by Republicans since the 1980s attempted this because they hate Medicaid.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Bucky
(54,053 posts)Be careful about rolling out of bed, Professor West. Apparently you've started sleeping with somd dangerous people!
ecstatic
(32,729 posts)He and Tavis are desperate for attention. It's sad that they chose to go down this road.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)President Obama is somewhat to The Right of the Rockefeller Republicans on Issues & Policy.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)despicable and wrongheaded as West is, there is someone even more wrong.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Best response in the thread.
Sid
bvar22
(39,909 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Rachel Maddow didn't make the idiotic comment in the OP.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Stupid too!
My, my.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)zellie
(437 posts)Grrrrr
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)You could say the same thing about anyone else who could possibly be a viable Democratic contender for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. And and when the alternative to the Democrats are the people who think like the evil lunatics who appear on Fox News, what is the choice? Realistically speaking - as diabolical as the current Democratic Party no doubt is - in the real- world -as opposed to how thing should be in the the should be world - what is the choice?
For the sake of the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of children who will have nothing to eat if the Republicans win - For the sake of all the elderly people - hundreds of thousands or millions who will not be able to pay their heating bills if the Republicans win - For the sake of the hundreds of thousands of young people who will have to drop out of college if the Republicans win - For the sake of all the Muslims and other people whether in the Middle East or Afghanistan or Pakistan who will die at the hands of American military technical savagery even greater than the number who are currently dying under a Democratic administration - -for their sake - I will support the Democrats.
AS Bill Maher once said - vote Democratic - we are pathetic - but the other guys are nuts.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)criticizes obama
stop the presses
goclark
(30,404 posts)and you will see YOU...
Shameful ...tell your buddy Tavis
to look too.
MsgoclarkOBAMA
African American
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)why can't we all accept that different liberals and democrats are going to have different successes and journeys and just pool all our different successes into a single image of who we are as the Left? You are never going to get absolute uniformity of motion and progress.
It's fine if you think you are a little ahead in understanding a situation than others, as it seems Mr. West does, but so is a parent compared to a child. But the parent doesn't tear down the child and say they are a fake.
Just because someone makes inroads in an area where you didn't, doesn't mean they were a "sell out" or a "fake".
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)He's an arrogant self promoting narcissist making himself increasingly irrelevant every day.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Republican: Puts interests of the monied class ahead of the working people, keeps Wall Street ahead of Main Street, jails whistleblowers, forgives corporations, CEOs, warmongers, torturers, and traitors, and balances the budget at the expense of the New Deal and the Great Society. Check.
Blackface: A form of entertainment enjoyed by ignorant people that features white performers pretending to be a stereotyped African American. In the case of a politician, pretending to favor liberal and progressive policies in speeches, while actually pushing for their opposite in conference and signing them into law. Check.
PS: It saddens me that Dr. West has chosen this language only in that it brings up such hurtful reminders of how far we have to go as a society, as an administration, and as a democracy.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Republicans would've embraced him with open arms! But no, they haven't. And I take it that he was sort of suggesting that all Republicans are white, since blackface refers to putting makeup on your face to make yourself look darker. Not exactly one of his most thought-out statements...if he disagrees with one of Obama's policies or the people of MSNBC, then fine. He should say specifically what it is that he thinks they could do differently or how they can do more outreach to the black community. But he ruins his credibility by lowering himself to these ad hominem remarks.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)who buy into this racist bullshit!
I mean, did anyone think Herman Cain wasn't racist when he said blacks are brainwashed to vote for Democrats. Sounds like Romney. Does it make it any less racist because Cain is black?
I find these comments appealing to people who do not understand racism, and the first words out of their mouths is: He's black!
Ugh!
bayareamike
(602 posts)is what I'm hearing from Dr. West.
I've appreciated his insights in the past but I don't think he understands that in Washington, D.C. -- and in a country that has a history of being anything BUT progressive -- change happens incrementally, not overnight. The President is fighting the good fight. I've believed that from day one and I still do today.
Cha
(297,574 posts)mzmolly
(51,003 posts)asshat.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)(excuse the pun) everything he has to say about him. He occasionally has a good point but his green eyed monster gets the better of him. It's a little like watching John McCain. Everything comes out bitter instead of smart and sharp.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)anyone against Obama is against democracy.
FogerRox
(13,211 posts)A Rockefeller Republican............LOL
Is there an honest to goodness Democratic Socialist Liberal that would deny any of that.