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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Alex Witt just say 'valets'...and pronounce it 'val-itts'?
Lemme answer that myself. Yes. Yes she did.
It never ceases to amaze me how often you hear MSM talkers mispronounce words like this. Well known words, long in the vernacular words. It boggles the mind, it really does.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)people in this country have never studied another language, and so have no clue about certain words, like valet, that come from another language (in this case French) and retain the French pronunciation.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)from one language to another. I spoke Nahuatl and Spanish with my parents as a child, then mostly Spanish, and, after being in the American school system and married to an Anglo and traveling in the military, mostly English. I tend to mangle my English pronunciations on words I've seen written but never heard out loud, like corrugated, pestilential, and niche. I tend to roll my r's and broaden my vowels too much, automatically making words incomprehensible. I hate public speaking for this reason and I'm glad I've never had a need for it.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)You're talking about having an accept specific to your first languages. And you are aware of this.
It's the mispronouncing of relatively common words by native English speakers that the issue here.
zuzu98
(450 posts)I vividly recall her talking about an actress starring in a "bio-pic" of Linda Lovelace and pronouncing it like it rhymed with myopic.
Not to mention that most of them can't distinguish between less/fewer and further/farther.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)it does not follow the same rules of pronunciation.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I made the same mistake when I first noticed that word being used. I said "biOP'ik." My sis corrected me....BI-0-pik. So I can relate to that...except that surely SOMEONE should've corrected Savannah before she said it on air. I'm guessing others didn't know, either, so that's why that was corrected.
I know the diff twen less/fewer....not so sure about further/farther, except that I may instinctively use those terms correctly. Not sure.
teenagebambam
(1,592 posts)Bucky
(54,068 posts)Occasionally US elites get all anglophilic and start talking about their shed-jules or the latest conTRAHvursy. It was at its worst during the Faulklands War when talking about the "ArgentYne Chunta" was a way of signaling you wanted Margaret Thatcher to win (and Alexander Haig to lose).
People on TV do silly things sometimes.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)And vall-itt, meaning a dresser, and I'm from NC and definitely not a pommy wannabe nor an elite!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)I guess part. But one or both of her parents may have been trained in the british pronunciation, since many Asian countries were british colonies at one time.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)last time I looked that was in CA.
I think you are thinking of Alex Wagner, whose mother was born in Burma.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)PatSeg
(47,602 posts)I've made the same mistake several times. Very, very different people in so many ways.
bayareamike
(602 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)It's not "ah"; I live in Britain, no-one I've heard say "controversy" says "ah" for that sound. (It's a vowel sound which doesn't occur in any American accent outside of New England, though.)
Bucky
(54,068 posts)In the states we hit the first syllable hard. In the Isles yall land harder on the second, which to American ears sounds contrived.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)My accent has probably gone a bit mid-Atlantic, and some of the words I use in everyday conversation have changed (because one wants to make oneself understood), but that's a pronunciation I haven't slipped into --and regarding that:
http://www.pbs.org/speak/ahead/change/ruining/
Cleita
(75,480 posts)In a weird way, it would give it a sort of correctness,
boston bean
(36,223 posts)raddiator (like radical).
I've never known it to be pronounced like that.
I've always heard it as ray-diator.
BumRushDaShow
(129,491 posts)I definitely do...
Unless it's in a car and then I call it a "ray-diator"!
But then there are the folks who call a creek ("creeeek" a "crick".
drthais
(870 posts)down here (Louisiana)
it is definitely RAdiater...always
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)It's the peoples from Woonsocket, RI, pronounced Woon Sock ET by those who live there.
They have a completely different way to construct sentences. Take for instance:
"Throw me down the stairs, my shoes".
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,819 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I have heard that mispronounced many times and as a native of Connecticut, it sort of cracks me up.
Stinky The Clown
(67,819 posts)I grew up in Bridgeport.
Mispronouncing that makes my hair hurt!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I've never had the need to say it out loud, so I've not given it any thought at all. How should one say it if one must?
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Kwin-uh-pe-ack.
I grew up a town over from Quinnipiac University and that is how we always said it.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Where is the accent?
Is the UH accented, or the PE?
Stinky The Clown
(67,819 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I have climbed up Sleeping Giant many times since I was a kid, despite my fear of heights. The blue trail is not my trail I have learned.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)My father was a stone mason and he helped build the grammar school in Cheshire, the one that was across from the boys reformatory. Don't know if it's still there or not.
I remember driving from Cheshire to New Haven as a wee person. My parents always tried to entertain me by pointing out The Sleeping Giant. It did impress me too! Just the mention of it brings back warm childhood memories for me.
From there I moved up to Massachusetts and have been here ever since. Still have relatives in CT though they live in the Niantic area now.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I have been there a few times but went to Doolittle School. I moved to another town in CT but my parents still live there. Sleeping Giant did not seem so bad but then I climbed it over the summer with my husband and the sheer rock part of one trail was a lot for me to handle. I think I will stick to the basic trail next time.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Even in New England, there are micro differences in how we pronounce names. For example, a person that is a Boston bred and raised person would pronounce a word different than a person born and raised in western Massachusetts would pronounce that word.
2on2u
(1,843 posts)the meaning of, a word I won't look up, a word that imho should not exist a word that has as much meaning to me as furbish.... and you know you have to furbish something before you can refurbish it. My mind reels.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/furbish
What made you want to look up furbish? Please tell us where you read or heard it (including the quote, if possible).
Answer: I did not want to look up the word furbish and I wish it were stricken from the lexicon.... now I will look up the word lexicon.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Spelling isn't taken very seriously anymore.
trackfan
(3,650 posts)A person who parks your car is a val-ay, but a person who lays out your clothing is a val-et
That is the way I've always heard it.
1monster
(11,012 posts)pronounciation (hooked on phonics, ya know) I worked out on words spelled differently than pronounced.
Words from my youth and adolescence like segue, paradigm, ethereal, etc.
A few years ago, I was reading aloud to a sophomore English class when I read paradigm as para dig m and immdediately corrected myself and pronounced it correctly (para dime). Most kids in that class didn't know what the word meant, but one girl who was a reader and had a great vocabulary (as well as a need to score off teachers), raised her hand and asked "Do para dig em and para dime mean the same thing?" with a very smirky attitude.
I, of course, explained that I had mispronounced the word at first and then corrected myself. (But since I had corrected the pronounciation before she asked, I always thought that was a cheap point. :\
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)1monster
(11,012 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Keeps you honest. I was that kid, until I figured out that it was not beneficial to me. My sixth grade teacher told me once, "Kid, nobody likes a smartass."
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)stomach becomes stow-match. Ours is a complex language.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)that makes little sense to native speakers and NONE to non-native speakers
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)someone isn't expecting the word, had no time to think about it, and blurts out whatever pronunciation pops out.
On the other hand, my wife and I have a running contest to see which of the 20-something reporters on our local morning news badly mispronounces a word that morning. It never fails. Of course, Minnesota has some pretty weird place names with Native American language roots, so there's a mispronunciation available almost daily. Try to figure out how to pronounce Lake Winnibigoshish, for example. Most Minnesotans just call it Lake Winnie. In fact, I'm not sure anyone really knows the correct pronunciation.
Another one that throws the kids on the news is Lac Qui Parle, not all that far from Minneapolis. Since we've given up teaching kids foreign languages in our attempt to pass standardized exams, that name might as well be in Greek.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Valet can be pronounced both ways, and in England it's usually pronounced as "vallit. "
We have lots of words like that, for example: Buffet. Very similar situation. Depending on the usage, it has the same issues as valet. It's easy to err in pronunciation, which introduces another word with two correct pronunciations.
This example provided for you by Mike Hunt.
mainer
(12,029 posts)Although "Valet" is French, the Middle English word was "Varlet", which may be why the English pronounce it differently.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)ie Bates on "Downton Abbey."
My nephew worked as a valet at a country club this past Summer, where he parked cars and was called a "val-a."
madamesilverspurs
(15,809 posts)One of the most common mispronunciations is nookyular, most famously intoned by W, even though he didn't originate it. Even Jimmy Carter, who trained in nuclear engineering, tended to pronounce it nookier.
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obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)ie Tricia Nixon.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)It's not an English word, and he pronounced it correctly.
I realize that I read the pronunciation as spelled above as though it were in Spanish, with the J pronounced as H. It is correctly pronounced "hoonta." My error.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)It's hunta, not joonta.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)For some reason I read the pronunciation as in the Spanish. You're right. I'm so used to Spanish pronunciations that I didn't even see how you spelled it out.
My bad.
drthais
(870 posts)people who mispronounce words don't read....that's been my experience...
drthais
(870 posts)COUNSELtation
rather than Consultation.......grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
drthais
(870 posts)why has it become common (even in the media)
to end a sentence with a preposition
in particular....'this is where I'm AT!"
good grief!
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)That is an illegitimate rule of grammar. English is not Latin.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I cringe at some of the grammar and mispronunciations I hear on TV. The most offense is when someone says "Me and so-and-so." I even heard the political hack Jamie Dupree say that on the radio.
Kingofalldems
(38,485 posts)interchangeably. I say it's pronounced 'reek' but I am not sure anymore.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Both pronunciations, "reek" and "wreck" are OK. "Reek" is suggested, though, by most dictionaries. They're used interchangeably, and regionally. How you pronounce the word is probably based on where you grew up, but these days, you'll hear it both ways almost anywhere.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)the OED gives that pronunciation first. So it's not a mispronunciation.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,196 posts)Me, I'm still working my way through "supercalifragilisticexpealidocious."
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)OBVIOUSLY it is a gooey-duck. And a really big phallic clam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoduck
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)mrsadm
(1,198 posts)I make that mistake myself after watching the BBC too much
hughee99
(16,113 posts)That's how he pronounced it in North by Northwest.