Whelp, just cancelled my NYT subscription

[MN2theMax]

Should have done it a long time ago. I was just reading an article about voters who would vote for Harris, but not for Biden. Interviewing a democrat who says they would vote for Hitler-wannabe rather than Biden. Don't remember ever seeing an article where they talked to an enthusiastic Biden voter, or even informed democratic voters. Always these uninformed, "Biden is too old" or "Biden hasn't done enough" voters. I just snapped. Why was I paying money for this drivel. So I cancelled.

Now I'll have to find another news source.

[NCIndie]

1. One needs to be comfortable when reading the news.

[MN2theMax]

6. No, I don't need to be comfortable when reading the news

I just lost interest in paying money to a news source that is pushing an agenda that I strongly disagree with.
News is seldom comfortable these days.

[Steven Maurer]

44. NYT is the king of "concern trolls"

Go look at the musings of "NYT Pitchbot" (https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon) for a remarkably funny send up of the kind of crap they like to publish.

[Farmer-Rick]

71. Thanks for the link

My favorite:

"Whether it’s liberals interrupting Brett Kavanaugh‘s meal with a chant, or conservatives interrupting Paul Pelosi‘s evening with a hammer blow to the head, both sides have a problem respecting the privacy of public figures." From DougJBalloon

[Galraedia]

82. Yeah, because interrupting someone's meal is the same as bashing someone's head with a hammer.

[Farmer-Rick]

83. Exactly

Both sideism at its worse.

[NCIndie]

23. A personal shot? Oh, my.

My post was written in third person and talked only of being comfortable. tsk tsk. That's a high level of sensitivity.

[crim son]

46. What do you mean?

Like, wearing cozy pyjamas?

[treestar]

68. We know there are people who support Biden

so is it not biased to interview none of them for an article? While interviewing every type of doubter?

Would you watch Fox? It's not comfortable either.

The OP is talking about bias, not merely not wanting to hear bad news.

[maxsolomon]

2. There it is! Today's NYT Hate Post!

I subscribe for the Obits.

[NCIndie]

11. Hate post?

That is a very low bar for hate speech.

[maxsolomon]

13. The "I hate the NYT" post.

There's one every day.

[NCIndie]

15. Sorry. I am with you on that

It’s been a loud scream followed by endless echoes.

[DarthDem]

16. That's because

Every single day the NYT does something to justify it.

[maxsolomon]

47. You can only cancel your subscription once, in theory.

Today's NYT cancellation OP had to work hard to find offense.

It's not news that many American voters are dumb AF.

[Native]

48. I subscribe for the games.

[walkingman]

3. Something just doesn't sound right with the media these days.

When I hear the news about how Univision has totally turned around and is interviewing Trump and seemingly promote him from the exact opposite after Trump threw out Jorge Ramos last year and I have been reading a lot of pro-Trump stuff in the NYT as well.

I'm wondering if they are being influenced by the big money donors? In America it is almost always about the $$$.

I also worry about the coming AI blitz that is sure to come as the election gets closer.

Sounds like a lot of worrying Thank God I drink!!

[The Mouth]

21. Every 'news' organization outside of the most highly partisan

*LOVES* a close election.

Trump 49/Biden/49 2% undecided means a ***LOT*** more clicks and eyeballs than a blowout. If Trump was way ahead, they'd be pushing Biden.

These organizations are in business to make money, if they accidentally tell the truth along the way, they could not care less.

[Bev54]

30. A couple of the new owners of Univision are friends of Kushner, who set up the interview

and is influencing their choices.

[walkingman]

32. I cannot understand how our Hispanic brothers and sisters could possibly

support the GOP and especially Trump. He has called them every name in the book and then as soon as it comes out of his mouth says the exact opposite. His actions definately speak louder than his words but more than that the rank and file GOP for the most part is totally racist toward immigrants - legal and illegal. Ironically here in Texas where they are more native than Anglos. All you have to do is look at the genocide of native Americans to understand the Anglo motives - manifest destiny indeed.

[Bev54]

34. I hear you, my hope is that a lot of their viewers will move over to Telemundo

[BaronChocula]

49. Simple answer

Many Latino people are just like many white people. Not all, but enough.

[walkingman]

50. I've always thought that many whites support Trump BECAUSE he was racist?

Otherwise I can't figure out what would make him attractive. Being a bully? Being a sexist? Anti-LGBTQ (religious extremism)? Plays like a tough guy? (he is a wimp)?

Just doesn't make any sense. He is not a supporter of Hispanics (In my opinion).

[BaronChocula]

53. I don't wanna talk too much out of school

I'm not Latino, but am definitely around many. People from Latin America are used to things like economic discrimination, but for the most part they've never dealt with slavery or civil rights like we have here. They are certainly aware of anti-Latino discrimination, but for many (not all) they see cozying up with the type of people who discriminate as a way of strengthening their own position.

For some Latinos, the traditional/patriarchal/iron fist is what they are accustomed to. Mix that with lack of political sophistication that runs among all groups and you have Latinos for Trump. One friend of mine has an aunt, a citizen who in 2016 said "a woman as president of the U.S.? You can't have that" or something to that effect. I know of other Latinos (not friends) who supported Trump. They support the anti-immigrant message. I don't know if it's self-hating or what. It's totally complicated.

[walkingman]

56. Thank you for broadening my understanding. ☮

[BaronChocula]

63. I appreciate your appreciation

There's so much more to the Latino/Republican link. I don't want to do it a disservice. Of course the Cuban Community in the U.S. that detested the Castro regime felt more of a rapport with the Republican party. Also, Ronald Reagan extended amnesty to 3 million undocumented people and that has had a lasting impact in the minds of many Latino voters.

It's funny how people can give credit to Republicans for something they did 40 years ago, but easily forget what Democrats did for them yesterday.

[Maeve]

64. There was a similar thing with the Irish in the 19th and early 20th centuries

Although they felt discrimination here, many tried to become "more American than the Americans" and looked down on later immigrants with the same disdain they had seen. Father Coughlin being a prime example...

[intheflow]

67. I have a theory about Latino voters.

First of all, they're not a unified body in the US, so any theory is pure supposition. My city has a 40% Puerto Rican population, when I lived in Colorado, it was mostly people of Mexican descent. Florida has Cubans. Etc.

However, biggest factor might be that they weren't kidnapped, brought to another continent, and enslaved, they are either immigrants or their families have been in what is now the US all along. By the time US settlers got west, the Mexican-Americans were speaking Spanish and wearing clothes influenced by Europe, so they were considered innately friendlier/"more relatable" than than the Native Americans the settlers found here.

That, and the conservative Catholic church influence.

[Farmer-Rick]

74. I know, I don't understand it. Trump put Hispanic kids in cages

He didn't do it to the obviously white immigrants coming in.

He separated Hispanic families so quickly and haphazardly that many of them still haven't found their children. It was a mass separation policy. He deliberately pulled those children out of the arms of their parents.

And a corporation has decided they will only let Spanish speaking viewers hear the ads of the man who abused those families. And sent his Slovanian sex worker wife out to express "I really don't care. Do U?"

This is just nuts. Dems should file a lawsuit against them.

[onecaliberal]

76. They don't know they are the poison dump talks about in the blood.

[ificandream]

4. The media does a lot more right than it does wrong

It’s not perfect but it does a great job in my opinion.

[NCIndie]

14. Not a popular opinion around here.

I agree with you 100%

[walkingman]

29. Well, it totally depends on the source. I agree that we have to have journalism

in order to hold the political class accountable. The main issue is to be able to discriminate between propaganda and reality. I worry more about social media than mainstream journalism. The targeting of individuals is very troubling to me.

Freedom of the press is enshrined in our constitution for a very good reason. ☮

[tenderfoot]

40. Agreed - You can guarantee that they get sports scores correct...

and then there's the endless articles about Biden's age and dispatches from mid-western diners.

[dwayneb]

54. Seems like people use media for different purposes than I do

The only value of media to me, is to provide

- Current events of import, locally, nationally and around the world
- Facts and statistics concerning those events
- Quotes from individuals of import, locally, nationally and around the world

Everything beyond that data is either filler (infotainment) or opinion. I skim/scan many sources to sort out the kernels of truth from all the chaff, looking for consistency and correlation. I seldom if ever read any article or watch any "news" program in it's entirety for that reason.

[Cha]

5. Like you said.. you should have done that

a long time ago. the NYT beat the DRUMS for the War on Iraq.. see Judy Miller.

I don't know how they were with Whitewater? That was before my time in politics.

[blm]

52. They pushed the Republican narrative shamelessly.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

7. Congratulations!

[mcar]

8. Still waiting to be interviewed as a "disgruntled Hillary voter"

in rural red Florida. NYT isn't calling, though. Too busy seeking out "sources" to trash the greatest president of my lifetime.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. Try The Guardian, Vox, Mother Jones.

[MN2theMax]

10. Thank you

I will do that!

[brooklynite]

22. Someone was annoyed that the Guardian framed a story in a way they didn't like earlier today...

[CentralMass]

17. BBC News is pretty good.

[marybourg]

27. Disagree. They not only practice bothsidesarism, but also

enjoy a bit of schadenfreude from time to time at the discomfort of their American cousins. And I speak as someone who started listening to them not long after WWII on a shortwave radio.

[Axelrods_Typewriter]

39. I've been listening to them for quite a while too.

My observations:

The BBC News that they aim at their own people definitely has its biases.

The BBC World Service that is aimed at the rest of the world has had less of the individual biases that their homegrown news has, but it replaces them with an overall Britain bias.

Funny you should say both sides ism. I've noticed in their coverage of the war in Gaza that they give a really messy mix of tough questions and softballs to representatives of both sides. And the interviewers try to steer the conversation to establish a both sides narrative. Sometimes the steering works, other times it sinks the interview.

[marybourg]

57. I turned them off for good in, I believe, 2017.

Couldn’t take their reporting on tRump. Trying to make him sound like another Obama. So, 55-60 years I had been listening, since the days of the chimes of Big Ben and the announcer intoning “ This is London callingl Ahh, the romance of shortwave radio, when you had to keep jumping up all night to retune.

[BigmanPigman]

18. I did the same a month ago.

It was not easy either. They couldn't find me in their computers and 4 different people had to get involved by the end. I had to send screenshots of their news on my computer and copies of my ongoing bill for them to resolve it. If I wasn't already planning to cancel this process would have done the trick.

I hate some of their staff and their views are obnoxious and condescending and arrogant.

I planned to cancel for a while but when the NYT published a photo of a bombed out hospital in Gaza and refused to admit that they did anything wrong on the Nicole Wallace show on MSNBC.

[brooklynite]

19. So you cancelled because you didn't like the news that was reported?

If that makes you happy.

nb: I've had a 7 day subscription since 1977.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. I've had one since 1976

Beat ya!

[brooklynite]

36. In 1976 I was studying in Rome...

...,relying pin the Rome Daily American.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. I had a HS discount at the time

but have continued the sub ever since.

Have had a NatGeo sub since 1967 although as I understand it, they are about to end publication of the physical magazine.

[BannonsLiver]

79. Is the simping for the Times reflexive or do you actually believe in the product?

[brooklynite]

81. I'd give you an answer, but since you've already judged me....

[Blue Owl]

20. Thank You

Hit ‘em where it hurts!

[brooklynite]

24. But be sure to demand paywall access to stories that get posted here!

[Elessar Zappa]

25. Washington Post is usually pretty good.

I unsubscribed from the NYT a few years ago due to their “both sides” nonsense and subscribed to the Post. I’ve been happy with their reporting, for the most part.

[Warpy]

26. I have a WaPo electronic subscription

and, while I'm finding it harder to read walls of text, I still read enough of it to justify the cost, which is minimal.

I'm of two opinions about that NYT article, part of which was posted here yesterdsy. The first I share with you, why pay for that kind of bullshit? (and how hard did they have to look to find somebody that stupid?) The other opinion is that it's a great way to motivate the rest of us to get our butts to the polls next year to keep that fat crook out of our government.

That doesn;t mean I want to read that drivel. Ergo, WaPo.

[ShazzieB]

28. I really need to cancel mine.

Thanks for the reminder!

EDIT: Just took care of it. Bye bye, NYT!

[Jean Genie]

31. Bye Bye NYT

Well done! The times has become too sucky to be believed. Have you tried Meidas Touch?

[MN2theMax]

58. I will look into that

I’m not so anti NYT as much as the shine has just worn off for me. Don’t care to entertain the both sides crap because both sides are just not the same (equally bad). I am more interested in just give me the facts, and I’ll decide for myself.

[pwb]

33. They tore Santos a new one?

.

[ananda]

38. Looks like even the media has trolls here.

The msm really sucks these days, and it's been bad for awhile.

NYT went over to the dark side years ago, and no it's worse.

[Skittles]

41. whelp?

whelp
/(h)welp/
noun
noun: whelp; plural noun: whelps

a puppy.
a cub.
a boy or young man (often as a disparaging form of address).
a set of projections on the barrel of a capstan or windlass, designed to reduce the slippage of a rope.

verb
verb: whelp; 3rd person present: whelps; past tense: whelped; past participle: whelped; gerund or present participle: whelping

(of a female dog) give birth to (a puppy).
"Copper whelped seven puppies"

[MN2theMax]

59. Message received

No puppies were involved in my decision (though I wish they were). Bad grammatical choice on my part.

[Easterncedar]

80. You're allowed wordplay

“Whelp” as you used it is fine. (Speaking as a retired editor.) Folks need to lighten up.

[PatrickforB]

42. The NYT is listed under that ticker symbol on the New York Stock Exchange.

I've said this before, but the ONLY fiduciary responsibility of its executives is to generate profits for shareholders.

This is because we operate under a legal doctrine that holds shareholder profits above all else - workers, consumers and the environment itself. This doctrine is called 'shareholder primacy' and was born with a MI Supreme Court ruling against Henry Ford and in favor of the Dodge brothers, who were shareholders in Ford Motor Company. Ford had raised the wages of his factory workers so they could afford to purchase the cars they built on the new assembly line.

The Dodge brothers sued Ford on the basis that paying excessive wages to his workers deprived them of profits to which they were entitled as shareholders. And they won.

If you want to find out more, the late Lynn Stout wrote a really good book called, 'The Myth of Shareholder Value.'

This is why the NYT reports news the way it does. They are generating clicks, and thus raising advertising revenue.

Ronald Reagan killed the old Fairness Doctrine back in 1987. Prior to that, every community had to have a locally owned station that reported the news - half an hour local and half an hour national. This had to be real news - who, what, where, when and how, and the news was held separate from the quest for profits. Oh, they had commercials, but the rules said that the news must be objective and that any editorial comments (what we call 'analysis' nowadays) had to present both sides of the issue.

The death of the Fairness Doctrine and the subsequent growth of AM right-wing talk radio, as well as cable 'news' networks like Fox, have created a 21st century media that systematically holds profits over truth.

Good alternates are the Guardian, which is funded in perpetuity by a foundation, and outlets like Al Jezeera.

Here's a nice blast from the past from Don Henley called Dirty Laundry:

I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something
Something I can use
People love it when you lose
They love dirty laundry

Well, I coulda been an actor
But I wound up here
I just have to look good
I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em all around

We got the bubble headed
Bleached blonde
Comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash
With a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation
Is the head dead yet
You know the boys in the newsroom
Got a running bet
Get the widow on the set
We need dirty laundry

You don't really need to find out
What's going on
You don't really want to know
Just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)

(Kick 'em when they're up)
(Kick 'em when they're down)
(Kick 'em when they're stiff)
(Kick 'em all around)

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers
In everybody's pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done
We haven't told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry

[MN2theMax]

60. Great point of view

Love the “Dirty Laundry” reference. Big Eagles fan. Thank you!
I’ll try lending my clicks to the Guardian.

[rubbersole]

43. Thom Hartmann Show can provide facts...

...that might reassure your faith in truthful information. Not 'news' per se, but always informative on contemporary subjects. I listen everyday and love it.

[calimary]

45. Well, there is DU... TONS of posts referencing other media, and many with links.

True, it's restrictive - you just get THAT story and then you have to wade through all kinds of other stuff with the article and then to read more, they want money and a commitment from you (subscription sign-up). If I had to pay subscriptions for every outlet that offered an interesting article, I'd be broke. That's one reason why I REALLY appreciate DUers for posting articles, excerpts of articles, and links. Besides, I don't always have time to read the whole article if it's really a long one.

[MN2theMax]

61. DU is my favorite source

The news breaks on DU fast and furiously. 💕

[LetMyPeopleVote]

51. I cancelled my subscription back in 2016 due to the crazy coverage of the Clinton email silliness

[TexasDem69]

55. If the NYT isn't left enough for you

Then what is your news source? I personally find the Times, WaPo, Guardina, CNN and others all good sources. Even FoxNews (not Fox opinion) covers some issues well.

[MN2theMax]

62. Had WP but it expired

Going to try some different sources for a while. The Guardian, Mother Jones, and maybe the Atlantic.

[brooklynite]

70. How many reporters does Mother Jones have?

Not WRITERS, people out around the world collecting news. Especially news of a non-political nature.

[D23MIURG23]

65. I can't rec this fast enough. The times gave us Judith Miller.

They've been garbage for the last 20 years.

[shrike3]

66. Harris isn't any more popular than Biden, but they managed to find voters who'd prefer her to Biden.

Must have taken some effort.

[Six117]

69. Thank you for the inspiration.

Reuters, the AP, are two of my alternatives.

[Initech]

72. It's like they want the festering piece of shit to win because it will be good for ratings.

This is absolute fucking insanity. He has to be stopped at all costs. And yes, MAGA lurkers, I'm talking about Trump.

[kimbutgar]

73. I've been enjoying the Guardian seems pretty straight up in its reporting of news.

[DownriverDem]

75. Try

Rawstory.com & DailyKos.com

[carpetbagger]

77. I would, but it's one less bill for my mom to handle.

I pay nyt, she pays wapo.

[Saoirse9]

78. Cancelled mine 4 years ago

Because of Maggie Haberman. Everything they have done since then confirmed that they are not worth reading.

[brooklynite]

84. Whelp, just renewed my NYT subscription

We’re supposed to tell everyone our financial choices, right?