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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am NOT leaving DU...
so I do not require any reminders that this is not an airport so departures do not need to be announced.
I have essentially stopped posting since November 11 because as a committed Zionist who lost my entire extended family on both sides in the Holocaust, I ardently defended Israels right as a sovereign nation to defend herself against the inhuman terrorism which has plagued the nation since its inception but most notably in the 1970s and thereafter. I had the temerity of doing in this forum, of which I have been a member in good standing since 2004.
As a veteran poster, I knew exactly what was going to occur here and it did so, exceeding my expectations. There is no need for me to explain. My posts were alerted upon routinely and several juries found me guilty of violating DU rules. Fair enough: this is the system whose precepts I agreed to when becoming a member so I am willing to accept the punishment meted out.
I was informed by a few old-timers here, one through a PM, others via email that I was on the brink of, shall we say, having a possibly very serious problem here. I fully intend to avoid having such a problem for a whole variety of reasons.
Therefore, until the hostilities in the Middle East reach a conclusion, my participation in this forum will be limited to recommending posts with which I wholeheartedly agree.
I thank you for your time and your understanding.
PC
hlthe2b
(102,473 posts)--for everyone.
cachukis
(2,281 posts)one's mettle. Growth takes courage. Wisdom follows.
madamesilverspurs
(15,813 posts)Just wanted to let you know that.
paleotn
(17,994 posts)Permanut
(5,671 posts)may have the effect of turning the heat down. Thank you
2naSalit
(86,882 posts)UTUSN
(70,772 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)Gonna do a bit of a truth bomb here. They've had 4 posts hidden. A 5th means they'll be PPRd indefinitely. Of course they're going to wait until that first hide drops off, and then they'll be back. All that stuff about sinister behind the scenes warnings of serious stuff is drama and this OP would be a prime candidate for the old Meta forum. The OP is a decent person, as far as Americans go, and I've read posts from them on other topics that I really agree with and I've recd, and I think it'd suck if they did get to 5 hides.
Maybe it's just me, but if you start getting hides in the same topic, suck it up and own it, do a bit of self examination and hopefully work out before the 4th hide that you need to examine your approach to posting on the topic. Ive found over the years that treating both Israeli and Palestinian civilians as equally deserving of human rights is a surefire way not to have any posts hidden. With not a single post hidden of many thousands about the I/P conflict*, I'm living proof that it's not all that difficult to participate at DU without having to worry about being banned.
* quick disclaimer - the vast bulk of my DU posts have been in the I/P forum back before the jury system. Tho back then it was far easier to get tombstoned as the mods could make unilateral decisions, so that probs makes me even more resilient
Goddessartist
(1,885 posts)Agree.
elias7
(4,033 posts)I dont mean to be rude, but part of the polarity as I see it is that people are really dug in to their POVs and people just restate their same opinions as the next micro moment of the war happens. Neither side is arguing or acting in bad faith, so the snark coming from either side is not helpful in dealing with a conflict that has eluded resolution since before many/most of us were born.
I dont think PCIntern is refraining because of the threat of being PPRed, but rather, because of the frustration dealing with a DU conflict that is just as polarized as the Arab-Israeli conflict. Kind of makes you realize that there can be no solution if both sides perceive their side as right and the other as wrong.
pazzyanne
(6,560 posts)"Kind of makes you realize that there can be no solution if both sides perceive their side as right and the other as wrong."
I came to this conclusion myself a couple of weeks ago. At this point I read posts on Israel and Palestine, but don't take part in the discussions for most of them. PCIntern is one of my favorite posters, and it would be a shame if a DUer was lost because of the discussions of late. We can't solve actual participants problems for them when they don't seem to want to do so. It is frustrating!
Thank you, PCIntern, for sharing your post today.
Haggard Celine
(16,862 posts)Some people on DU are very dug-in to their opinions on this conflict. I can see both sides of it, although I lean toward Israel's point of view. But I've been staying out of most of those threads and I don't like it that some DUers are at each other's throats. We don't have any say in what's going on over there. We shouldn't let it tie us in knots. I also like PCIntern's posts and I want him/her to stay here as long as he/she wants.
What I'd like to see happen is for Israeli and Palestinian leaders to be locked in a room together and not getting out until they hammer out an agreement. Those are the people who are responsible for all of this. I don't think common Israelis and Palestinians are bad people. I think they have horrible leadership. We need new leadership in Israel and Palestine who can turn the temperature down.
FakeNoose
(32,844 posts)I am not of the Jewish faith, however I've been rooting for Israel all these years. I believe there will eventually be peace in the Middle East, peace in the Holy Land - but maybe not in our lifetimes.
I'm a little taken aback by all the pro-Palestinian venting going on here on DU. To me it doesn't seem like a position that so-called "liberals" would take. Hamas was never looking for a peaceful solution of any kind. Not all Palestinians support Hamas, not by any means. But enough of them do, and those who do support Hamas are rooting for terrorists.
Since when do American liberals of DU or any other platform support terrorism? I'm stumped. I don't get it. This sudden wave of anti-Israel/pro-Palestine eruption that keeps popping up here ... well, I can't figure out where it's coming from. Some liberals are getting their heads twisted around to the point where they're spouting almost right-wing talking points.
I want to believe that DUers are all on the same page, but when I see this pro-Palestinian garbage on DU I don't know what to think. Maybe it's a weird form of anti-Semitism, or maybe something else is going on?
womanofthehills
(8,796 posts)They are objecting to the horrific slaughter of innocent children & women. In no other recent conflict have 6000 and more children been killed. Another two thousand are probably still under the rubble and thousands of children have severe burns, missing limbs, dead siblings, dead parents, no food, no electricity, no water, etc. People were horrified that Russia brought thousands of Ukrainian children to Russia - but have no problem with thousands of dead and injured Palestinian kids.
Well, American kids are now seeing daily on social media - babies with their insides hanging out, dead kids with only half a body, badly burned kids, day after day on their phones and they are on TicToc sobbing. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRvu3AUB/
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRvu39W9/
It was just reported the average age of these innocents is 2 to 5. So when did killing millions of toddlers not be a war crime. The world is turning against Israel & America as the unbelievable horrors of Palestine deaths increase daily.
claudette
(3,617 posts)I agree 100%.
Goddessartist
(1,885 posts)It's like some here have no care at all for the Palestinians, and turn any expression of care for them to be 'supporting Hamas' - very divisive tactics.
HUAJIAO
(2,406 posts)RandomNumbers
(17,608 posts)It's ironic that many of the posts I see that blame Israel and America, don't bother to note that it is Hamas that triggered this catastrophe, and it is Hamas and their allies that perpetuate it by their continued holding of hostages. Considering the rape and torture they committed on some of their dead victims that they didn't bother to take away with them - some of those victims CHILDREN - why should we think they aren't continuing to rape and torture their captives?
ALL these deaths fall on Hamas. I wish Israel would respond in a different way to cause less suffering of innocents. But Hamas leaders - and any person paying attention - KNEW who Netanyahu was and exactly what he would do. And, Hamas leaders were just fine doing what they did. (Lovely people, aren't they? )
Here's an idea: let's call on Hamas to release all the hostages and turn over the rapists for prosecution.
pazzyanne
(6,560 posts)Glaisne
(517 posts)Cha
(297,911 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)elleng
(131,277 posts)P.S., we disagree on some issues. anyway
madaboutharry
(40,243 posts)I understand where youre coming from. It has taken some real self-discipline to control myself a couple of times. My ignore list is ridiculously long at the moment, but I need to protect my mental health and my 20+ year membership.
May this war end sooner than later. May all the hostages come home safely. And may Hamas be destroyed and never again bring such misery to the world.
For PC
MOMFUDSKI
(5,752 posts)expected. We each have our own history. The trick is to understand the others history as well. DU is the best forum in which to express ourselves. There should be no alerting happening if we are living up to the premise of DU. Stop it. Read with your heart open.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,507 posts)As interfering with the moderation of the site.
I wonder if perhaps mine will too for informing you thusly.
Silent Type
(3,012 posts)or it could get ugly in terms of productive discourse.
NCIndie
(556 posts)A lifetime ban is sometimes reversed upon appeal, but not always.
The jury system is the one we all agreed to hitch our wagon, but it has some serious flaws when DU is sharply divided.
Tip othe hat for you choices.
Happy Hoosier
(7,453 posts)It sure feels some some here want certain (((people))) silenced.
Hang in there.
DET
(1,329 posts)Just chiming in to say that I really enjoy your posts. Looking forward to your eventual return.
Ocelot II
(115,930 posts)but people are going to disagree - some thoughtfully and rationally but a few, not so much. I am staying out of this controversy as much as possible because no matter what opinion I express or how carefully I do it somebody's going to jump all over me and I don't have the energy or the inclination to engage in arguments with people who are dug in already. It is regrettable that DU has become so contentious and we can only hope it settles down before long. And I hope you stay with us. Your opinions are valuable.
marble falls
(57,405 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,190 posts)moniss
(4,274 posts)I consider to be spirited discussions with you about topics but I enjoyed them and found them to be refreshing because they raised questions for me and spurred me to further research. This is what good discussion should always do. I always recognize that we may agree or disagree on certain things we discuss but I never have taken anything you have ever said to me on any issue as anything other than your spirited presentation of how you see things. I hope you see me as doing the same even if you disagree with what I say. In memory I don't recall ever ruling on a jury for one of your posts but I don't look at who posted but rather what the post itself is and what the forum is asking me to consider. I don't alert anybody.
I encourage you to continue to forcefully and fully make the case for your conclusions on all matters and not just the one tragically at hand. I agree that sadly some hostility can sometimes be cast by commenters and sometimes comments back and forth in a two way/group conversation can also sometimes be perceived as hostile when that is not the intent.
We are always stronger by talk. Strongest when all voices talk.
BigmanPigman
(51,648 posts)than I have for a total of all last year! It is getting really annoying. I try to be open minded and I never say anyone should remove a post for violating some rule. I have had to "stay calm" before posting anything these days since everyone is alerting everyone else. It has gotten crazy.
live love laugh
(13,181 posts)ancianita
(36,192 posts)I support your Zionism and don't consider it extremist. After millennia of pogroms and persecution in the diaspora, the safety and security of their own homeland is the basic reconciliation the Jews are due from the world. I too, look forward to the end of these bloody hostilities.
William769
(55,148 posts)Also you are on the right side of history.
BoomaofBandM
(1,776 posts)I have learned much from your posts. Never had issue with them.
SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)I hope you dont leave!
I feel like emotions brought on by the current situation will equalize and become less inflammatory as time passes.
Cha
(297,911 posts)Silent Type
(3,012 posts)hope the situation in Israel resolves in an fair manner, long-term.
One other thing, I cannot imagine anyone alerting on a sincere post about ME, even if one vehemently disagrees. But can attest it happens.
Take care.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,467 posts)but I don't want you to leave DU either...
I don't totally disagree with you either.... it is a terrible situation.
KS Toronado
(17,407 posts)I'm surprised how it's divided DU.
Celerity
(43,655 posts)It is a bubble to a large degree, a lot of it simply by design and also the ageing out of the core as these last 22, coming up on 23, years since inception have flown by on the river of time.
There is a massive lack of sub 35-40 year old posters here, and even fewer sub 30 year olds. The pro cease fire, pro concern about war crime againts Palestinian civilians DUers are numerically overwhelmed (pro cease fire is, in real life, the postion of a large majority of Dems overall, and especially younger (say 18-34) where it is over 80 per cent or so) and the tenor and tone turns nasty, and often it is not emanating from the outnumbered (on DU only) side.
Today alone I have seen multiple hardcore personal attacks from some of the most aggressive 'Israel can do whatever it wants' posters.
It takes a psychic toll to be constantly, and falsely, called pro Hamas, jew hater, Hamas shill, Hamas lawyer, Hamas lover, antisemitic, Trump/Trumpy, MAGA (the last two are truly ridiculous charges as in real life, the Rethugs and especially MAGAts are FAR more 'fuck the Palestinians, let Israel do anything it wants' than the Dems or independents) etc etc.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)Your own post includes quite a few aspersions and broad brush criticisms of people you disagree with. You describe your position as "pro concern about war crime againts [sic] Palestinian civilians" as if those who lean towards Israel don't care about war crimes, and caricaturize the other side as saying "Israel can do whatever it wants"-- a position, that as far as I can tell, is held by exactly zero people on DU. Then you say that most of the nastiness is from that group of people. I think there are a lot of pots and kettles here on every side of this debate.
One might also say it takes a psychic toll to be constantly, and falsely, called pro-genocide, pro-war crimes, bloodthirsty, indifferent to death and destruction, and racist.
Now, on a more personal note: I know you're talking about me. Earlier today, in a heated moment, I replied badly to another DUer. That DUer had responded to a claim that Hamas had broken a ceasefire on October 7 by pointing out that Israel has killed a few hundred Palestinians in the West Bank from 2021-2022, and said that maybe there was no ceasefire in place on October 7. To me, this felt like a claim that it was Israel that had started this war, not Hamas-- in fact, maybe even saying that the October 7 attack was just a legitimate battle in a long war. Why exactly actions on the West Bank would break a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, which rules Gaza, wasn't made clear.
To me, this sounded like an argument that Hamas's attack was not unprovoked and was a "legal" military action. I meant to say that it was the argument a lawyer would make to a court about who was responsible for the current war. I didn't intend to imply the other person was in fact, Hamas's lawyer, or pro-Hamas, but rather had made one argument that a pro-Hamas person would make. Instead, it came out as something like "you're doing a good job being Hamas's lawyer," or words to that effect. That comment was interpreted, perhaps reasonably, as a personal attack, and was removed.
I know from some of your previous comments to me that you have a pretty low opinion of me, but I still respect you, and wanted to give you that explanation. Please take it for whatever it's worth to you, which may be nothing.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)the war. I said maybe there was never a real ceasefire. But that wasnt what you read the why you have to figure out yourself.. you also have to figure out yourself why pointing out that there were things that happened like Israelis shooting at peaceful Palestinian protestors in 2018 or killing American citizen and AlJazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in 2023 and first blaming Palestinian militants before having to admit the truth sets you off so badly that you accuse me of being a Hamas supporter. Facts are facts. Our interpretations of those facts can be debated reasonably but the facts are still there.
So I put this to you - like PCIntern, i too am Jewish. I too lost family in Holocaust. I also have family living in Israel now. But I have a completely different opinion on how the response by Israel to a horrific terrorist attack is playing out. And I obviously have a very different opinion on what kind of a solution will ultimately allow Israelis and Palestinians to live in freedom. So what? Ive been called Hamas lawyer, supporter, supporter of rape and other insane and disgraceful things. Ive had a simple link to an Israeli Human Rights Group alerted since it gave statistics on many Palestinian things. Statistics shouldnt be that scary.
No one should have to feel they cant post their opinion or feelings. No one should feel bullied. Yes this is an emotional event. But why the need to respond to every post you disagree with an insult I simply dont understand. Wanting or believing peace can only be achieved through a political situation is an honest opinion. Believing only war is the right path is an honest opinion. Honest debate is healthy and opinions are to be respected when presented respectfully. I wont be pushed out of DU either. I hope PCIntern wont as well
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)I meant to say one argument you made sounded like what a lawyer would say when arguing about who started this war. Maybe I was annoyed because you earlier implied I wanted to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza.
I still don't understand why Israeli actions in the West Bank are relevant to the status of a ceasefire with Hamas.
But otherwise I'm abandoning this. My good faith effort to propose a solution to all this acrimony was also alerted and removed, so I'm getting out. It's not like anything we say here changes anyone's mind anyway.
Cheers to you and thanks for the discussion.
Nanjeanne
(5,003 posts)All interactions between Israel and Palestinians are relevant when you are talking about how to move forward.
And since I already stated that Hamas horrific attack started THIS particular event one also needed to explore ALL actions to see a way out of perpetual violence.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)Thanks for the reply and apologies for my earlier comment. It came out wrong and I understand why you were offended. I'll try to be much more careful in the future.
Stargleamer
(1,992 posts)I don't see how one can "lean toward Israel", or Hamas too for that matter. Both have committed war crimes. And one can still rail against Palestinians being subjected to an apartheid-like system.
Goddessartist
(1,885 posts)Thank you for this.
spanone
(135,919 posts)CincyDem
(6,411 posts)
may your familys memory be a blessing.
Hekate
(90,939 posts)I hope you can ride this out. Unlike you, I did not expect this to happen here in my home since 2002.
Ive been sickened by whats going on its like people I thought I knew have lost their minds, plus a flood of newbies splashing bile everywhere. A major public library gets vandalized and some DUers feel called upon to defend that action?!
Im not quitting any more than you are, but I dont think I can forget whats happening now, either. Its overwhelming.
Jury: I am responding to the OP, and in my opinion neither of us are criticizing the management. Sometimes we just have to acknowledge what we are seeing/experiencing at least I do.
usonian
(9,928 posts)You speak from the heart. ❤️
Tree Lady
(11,526 posts)love to read your posts and after almost 20 yrs here know what its like to have a big majority here go a different way then how you feel.
I have just kept quiet about those times.
Currently I study 3 Principles with Chana Studley who used to work in Hollywood and even has a oscar for Babe, she worked in special effects. She now does coaching in Jerusalum where her family lives.
I join her and others twice a week for coaching and a bookclub.
Since the beginning of this I have been impressed by how calm she has stayed and it gives you a bit of life on the ground over there.
I have always been a peacenik and hoping for all wars to cease.
Glad this isn't sending you away.
betsuni
(25,744 posts)I know exactly what you mean.
Patton French
(789 posts)DU will miss your insights if you stop posting.
Response to PCIntern (Original post)
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GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)H2O Man
(73,662 posts)I like your posts. I respect your thinking. So I think it is important that you keep posting your opinions. The forum needs diversity of opinions expressed freely, though without vioating the rules -- which can provide for some difficulties at times like this. Indeed, because this is a difficult time here, I do hope that in a bit of time you start posting again.
dalton99a
(81,663 posts)All this shit will blow over anyway
Enjoy your holidays!
peggysue2
(10,847 posts)Ive enjoyed your OPs as have others. The current conflict in Israel and Palestine has raised hackles to an extraordinary level. Though Ive limited my own comments on the conflict bc its so contentious, I would say that a majority opinion in such matters does not prove the right or wrong of a thing. Frequently what may appear absolutely certain in the moment is anything but in retrospect. There are plenty of historical markers to prove the point but I wont belabor them here.
Know that your voice is valued. Im truly sorry this has happened. I think we as a community can do much better than spitting vitriol on opinions with which we disagree.
Keep the faith and please, keep hanging around. We need everyone of good will to come together. For all our sakes.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)it astounds me how many people alert on stuff simply because they do not share the same opinion
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)... could see how many times I've voted to let pro-Palestine/anti-Israel posts stand when on a jury.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)I dislike the PICK A SIDE sentiment as if everything was black and white.
Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)That's a big compliment, btw
Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)I was on a jury the other day for an OP that dared to post a link to Amnesty International. The alert was that it was bigotry. It's the first time I've clicked on the button that says I think the alert was sent in bad faith.
Also, just in case this gets alerted on, there's more than a few posts in this thread discussing posts that have been alerted on, so it's not like I'm breaking new ground here
ProfessorGAC
(65,325 posts)I consider it "bad faith" if I sense the slert was based on mere disagreement.
That smacks of censorship, and jot what I think the jury system was designed to do.
Ms. Toad
(34,119 posts)Was the reason for the alert. More likely it was the assertion that Israel was capable of evil (in the only recent OP I can find mentioning Amnesty International).
Kid Berwyn
(15,021 posts)The Truth is the most powerful weapon in war and peace. Shocking to see it oppressed by ones fellows, but telling.
murielm99
(30,780 posts)I have been warned similarly. Or maybe it is threatened? I don't know.
I am glad you are not leaving. This place would be less without you.
ShazzieB
(16,593 posts)As many have already said, I've been quite dismayed by the contentious atmosphere in most of the I/P related threads here at DU since 10/7. I've struggled with the whole thing myself, partly because I've never seen this as a case of "one side is all good and the other is all bad." I've always been pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. Whatever the opposite of antisemitism is, that's me. But I can't help seeing more than one side to everything, whether I want to or not.
I can understand why a lot of people are upset about some of the things that are happening at the same time that I instinctively recoil at anything that smacks of vilifying Israel. My reaction to all this has been a recognition that I didn't understand a fraction of the issues involved in how things got this way, and I've been doing a lot of reading to address that. And the more I read and learn, the more I realize the perils of oversimplifying any of this.
This awful situation didn't just come out of nowhere overnight. It's the result of decades upon decades of mistakes made by numerous different entities, going back over 100 years. As I've been reading about the history of modern Israel, I've gotten irritated with almost everyone involved at various points along the way, while also understanding why most of them did a lot of the things they did.
I support Israel and the Jewish people as much as ever, while disagreeing strongly with certain decisions made by certain Israeli leaders. I am sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza, while at the same time understanding Israel's position on certain things. I absolutely detest Hamas as I detest terrorism in general, but at the same time I'm very much aware of the complex, multilayered relationship between them and the Palestinians in Gaza. I'm keenly aware of the fact that the Israelis don't trust the Palestinians as all, and the Palestinians don't trust them, either. Furthermore, I understand why they don't trust each other, AND I'm aware that they both have reasons for their distrust.
Because of all of the above, it gives me a headache to read any post that vilifies either side and paints the other as perfect angels, no matter which side is being portrayed which way. I know it's human nature to take sides, to see good guys and bad guys and root for the "good guys," but some things are just too complicated for that to be a viable approach, imo. Trying to explain that to people when passions are runnning high isn't always viable, either, though, so I have avoided getting too embroiled in any of these discussions for the most part.
Sorry for the long ramble. TL/dr: I get where you're coming from, I'm sorry you have been running into problems, and I look forward to the day when the Israel/Hamas war isn't a constant bone of contention here at DU. Best wishes to you and yours.
SalamanderSleeps
(593 posts)"I am sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza, while at the same time understanding Israel's position on certain things. I absolutely detest Hamas as I detest terrorism in general, but at the same time I'm very much aware of the complex, multilayered relationship between them and the Palestinians in Gaza. I'm keenly aware of the fact that the Israelis don't trust the Palestinians as all, and the Palestinians don't trust them, either."
ShazzieB
(16,593 posts)Nice to know I have company in feeling this way.
I really wish more people would study up on this. I think acquiring a deeper understanding could go a long way toward eliminating some of the black & white thinking that leads people to lash out at each other.
AKwannabe
(5,686 posts)I like it.
Mike Nelson
(9,978 posts)... I also expected the political twists. Obviously, Israeli advances into Gaza were going to result in civilian deaths. Hamas knew this, of course, and probably tried to sped it up with the bombing of that hospital, early in the war.
... I shared posters of the kidnapped children and people assume I'm Jewish or favor Palestinian genocide. I remember going to a Black Lives Matter rally and sharing pictures... people assumed I was for looting and trashing buildings. I suspect they watch too much FOX News.
claudette
(3,617 posts)your loss. I'm not sure how that translates into "now it's okay for Israel to defend itself by the inhuman killing of innocent Palestinians and destroying their land." How is that "defending itself?"
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)But the same has happened to me, only on the other side of the argument.
I will also be trying to not post on the topic.
Just so you know that it is not just your side of the argument that is getting flack for their posts.
BootinUp
(47,207 posts)to all the others encouraging you to NOT leave, and also state that I am very understanding of your posts about the situation in the Middle East. Take care.
mcar
(42,426 posts)Since Oct. 7.
Maeve
(42,304 posts)I know it's hard to let fools rage, but sometimes you have to walk away from the side show and concentrate on the rest. We need to get thru this next year together.
Timeflyer
(2,026 posts)niyad
(113,721 posts)Goddessartist
(1,885 posts)I value your input.
Sending love.
bdamomma
(63,944 posts)elias7
(4,033 posts)I dont think non-Jews understand how triggering the Gazan attack was for us. My Israeli friend lamented that the realization government was no longer able to protect them and that the grand experiment of a tiny place in the world that Jews could live unoppressed may be over.
Israeli reactions do tend to be heavy handed, but I GET it, despite the fact I would not act the same way. What I dont get is rape, beheading, kidnapping, cold-blooded murder in front of families and more, cheering about it. I do not and never could relate to that mentality, and it is triggering to have allies and friends in most every other issue be so vehemently critical of Israel and supportive of people/groups/countries we grew up in fear of.
dembotoz
(16,864 posts)being reported on du is not always that you are doing something wrong but perhaps you are doing something right
hrc DID run a crap campaign in my state..
du does have lanes of acceptable posts...woe to those who invoke the ire of those who so not play by their rules
that being said, i left for a long time but came back....you would be missed...I wasn't
MLAA
(17,352 posts)They are thought provoking, well written and lightly dusted with interesting and or amusing anecdotes.
paleotn
(17,994 posts)And not just because we tend to agree most of the time. They're thoughtful and well done, unlike my sledgehammer approach. So it's hard to believe you've been alerted on so many times. Not surprising for mine as I generally don't like mincing words. Gets me in trouble sometimes.
bluestarone
(17,101 posts)YOU are one of US. Very much enjoy reading your posts!
a kennedy
(29,747 posts)mamacita75
(71 posts)you a not leaving. I have always appreciated your life experiences you have shared. Look forward to more.
debm55
(25,611 posts)barbtries
(28,817 posts)I want all the children to thrive. ALL of them.
Paladin
(28,281 posts)I do foresee an expansion of my "Full Ignore" list. Such are the times...
Thank you for your well-stated comments, PC Intern.
jaxexpat
(6,865 posts)Its like democracy. Sometimes the stupid win. Which is fine, except it totally isn't.
Cha
(297,911 posts)Because of People like You!🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸🌈
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)I was put in jail in one of the previous primaries, it turned out to be a nice break.
CaptainTruth
(6,612 posts)Not that anyone cares, but I'm staying.
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