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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaryland Senate poll (Baltimore Sun): Hogan up by double digits
I dismissed the last poll where he was leading by a few, but this is not good.
General election
Hogan 53, Trone 40
Hogan 54, Alsobrooks 36
Democratic primary
Trone 48, Alsobrooks 29
https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/04/16/poll-trone-alsobrooks-senate-hogan/
Kingofalldems
(38,520 posts)Polybius
(15,540 posts)There's very few Senate seats we should concede. We even have a chance in Texas and Florida.
Kingofalldems
(38,520 posts)Did you post the other poll you mentioned? Just asking.
Polybius
(15,540 posts)It was more recent than I thought, April 2nd.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218830208
That's good to know. What I can't understand though is why was he popular? He had to have a lot of cross-Party votes to get elected in such a Blue state.
Thats exactly what it means when someone expresses concern about unfavorable polls. Clearly its a sign of abject resignation to failure, and a ploy to drag everyone else down into an abyss of despair and inaction.
WarGamer
(12,515 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,520 posts)But I suspect you knew that.
kimbutgar
(21,289 posts)Vote in lockstep and take away more of your rights?
Vote Republican lose rights vote Democratic move forward !
Stinky The Clown
(67,849 posts)David Smith also owns Sinclair.
'Nuff said.
Kingofalldems
(38,520 posts)Silent3
(15,455 posts)
Hogan has.
Also, much to our detriment, most American voters are clueless about the importance of control of the Senate, and totally unaware of how close thats going to be.
Many just think, Gosh, Hogan seems like a nice guy, and hes been okay as a governor, so why not?
Celerity
(43,800 posts)Sun ownership also used in the past.
A similar situation are Fox News polls. They do not do the polling themselves and some of their pollsters have been quite accurate over the years.
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)I agree that this is concerning, but until there's a clear candidate I don't think you can accurately know the state of this race. I still think that we beat Hogan if we can unite behind whoever wins in May.
crazylikafox
(2,763 posts)And I live in Maryland
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)evasive. He needs to be forced to reveal his true views. Roe Roe your vote.
Deep State Witch
(10,482 posts)His explanation was that "I have four daughters. Of course I'm pro-choice." But lately he's been kind of evasive on it. I'd prefer a full-throated repudiation of any kind of abortion ban.
Polybius
(15,540 posts)The people of Maryland know his stance on choice.
Bettie
(16,151 posts)they tend to get absolute compliance from their side. Plus, with the turtle gone, there's likely to be an even worse R in his place.
I remember when I thought he was the worst....sigh.
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)He has a disturbing record as governor also. This is a bad guy for women and would undoubtedly vote for a national ban.
'Hogans decision to veto legislation to expand abortion access in Maryland in 2022 lingers with voters like Langer. She supports abortion rights unequivocally and said she probably will back a candidate who doesnt hedge.
Hogan has said he does not support taking abortion rights away, even though he personally opposes abortion. However, as governor, he vetoed legislation to end a restriction that only physicians provide abortions. When his veto was overridden by Democrats who control the Legislature, he used the power of his office to block funding set aside to support training non-physicians to perform them.'
https://apnews.com/article/maryland-senate-election-abortion-larry-hogan-2032f3621d4a4b8f9f63740af08db22b
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)ban. And he would give the GOP an additional Senator...he has to be defeated. Abortion care is not safe if he wins and we lose the Senate. And won't get judges.
Polybius
(15,540 posts)But not national abortion ban either.
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)617Blue
(1,282 posts)Whatever he's said or done up to now means nothing.
Polybius
(15,540 posts)Just come back and apologize if he votes "No" next year if he wins. Deal?
MOMFUDSKI
(5,826 posts)righty.
NoRethugFriends
(2,366 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,520 posts)Polybius
(15,540 posts)They aren't gonna lie about the results. Not everything is a conspiracy.
NoRethugFriends
(2,366 posts)Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)abortion care. He did everything he could. He didn't have the legislature which is why he was unsuccessful...still, he eliminated funding to get his way. I have no doubt, he would vote for a national ban.
elleng
(131,457 posts)DemocratInPa
(381 posts)He is popular in Maryland..
NoRethugFriends
(2,366 posts)Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)DemocratInPa
(381 posts)LOL
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)attacking them. Cuyahoga stayed home which was stupid of course...but that was a mistake.
roamer65
(36,748 posts)Wicked Blue
(5,868 posts)since he was previously governor.
calguy
(5,353 posts)I know nothing about Maryland politics, but from what I saw of Hogan when he was in the national headlight, he seemed like one of the level-headed Republicans. If he was a popular Governor, then it's not surprising to see him with a lead in another state-wide election.
appmanga
(595 posts)...whenever a candidate is shown as above 50 percent, attention needs to be paid. Adding any Republican to Congress would be a serious mistake because that Republican will be a vote for their caucus. There will be no filibuster reform with more Republicans in the Senate, and the filibuster is how the George Floyd bill, the John Lewis Voting Right Act, and the extension of the monthly paid child tax credit were done away with. I would think these are important things to the overwhelmingly Democratic voters in Maryland.
Deep State Witch
(10,482 posts)Baltimore Scum.
elleng
(131,457 posts)Mysterian
(4,608 posts)If Dems get out to vote, we win.
brooklynite
(95,068 posts)Polybius
(15,540 posts)The Maryland primary is on May 14th.
tritsofme
(17,449 posts)Tying Hogan to the incredibly unpopular national GOP brand will make him toxic, with convict Trump roaming the country, I dont think he will be able to escape it.
elleng
(131,457 posts)tritsofme
(17,449 posts)elleng
(131,457 posts)I don't go for it, I prefer a progressive candidate with experience working for people, not his bank book.
tritsofme
(17,449 posts)elleng
(131,457 posts)The Self-Funding Victim of the Criminal Justice System
David Trone, founder of the Total Wine chain, is trying to draw a contrast with his primary opponent, a former prosecutor, by saying hes been caught up in the system. It was for business violations. . .
EARLY ON IN THE RACE, TRONES COMPANY TOTAL WINE was embroiled in a lawsuit, since settled, due to its unwillingness to cooperate with the Federal Trade Commission regarding an ongoing investigation into alcohol distributor Southern Glazers. The nature of the pending antitrust lawsuit would inherently feature SouthernGlazers dealing with Total Wine, one of the largest distributors and retailers of alcohol.
Over the course of Total Wines history, Trones company routinely flouted state anti-monopoly laws protecting consumers and independent businesses from aggressive practices by big-box chains. Across several states, Total Wine was found guilty of breaking minimum-pricing laws, leading to fines of tens of thousands of dollars or the suspension of its liquor licenses.
In response to questions about his companys track record and the tenuous connection to a broken criminal justice system, Trones campaign pointed to an incident back in the 1990s where state regulators went after him and his business.
The charges were related to a scheme Trone orchestrated in Pennsylvania to bypass state restrictions on the number of liquor stores one company could set up. He enlisted his wife, brother, and several friends to set up stores in their name instead, all of which would hire Trones own consultancy firm to actually run the business. It was effectively a clever accounting trick that drew the attention of the state.
Trone attributes the prosecution to an overeager and corrupt state attorney general, Ernest Preate, who did later go to prison for other reasons. The case against Trone was dragged out and never led to a conviction.
David and members of his family were wrongfully arrested and prosecuted by a career politician, the campaign said. David knows he prevailed in court because he had the resources to prove his innocence in a criminal justice system too often stacked in favor of the white and the wealthy.
The circumstances of the case are certainly mired by Preates dealings. But whats clear is that after that run-in with the law, Total Wine pivoted its strategy. Trone discovered he could just as easily exert political influence to preemptively change state laws that were getting in the way of his business ambitions. Hes launched extensive lobbying campaigns to deregulate minimum pricing and other restrictions against big-box liquor stores and even backed legal efforts that went all the way to the Supreme Court, which overturned Tennessee licensing rules.
Ive passed more laws than most politicians, he said in an interview with The Washington Post in 2016 when he was running for Congress, regarding his lobbying prowess. I sign my checks to buy access.
https://prospect.org/politics/2024-03-22-david-trone-self-funding-victim-criminal-justice/
Elessar Zappa
(14,156 posts)Generic polls dont mean that much. Ill be more concerned if it looks like this in September.
patphil
(6,266 posts)Larry Hogan has a big advantage in name recognition, and did a credible job as governor.
I don't know much about his national politics, but he supported Niki Halley, so he isn't a Trump humper.
Once we have a candidate, and the election gets going, we'll have a clearer view of how we stand for the fall election.
Remember, Biden won big in Maryland in 2020...over 65% of the vote.
We do need to hold this seat though.
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)https://time.com/6694872/larry-hogan-maryland-senators-abortion/
"But during his eight years as governor, Hogan amassed a record of vetoing legislation that shows him to be more conservative than his national profile suggests. In April 2022, shortly before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Hogan vetoed a bill to increase the number of abortion providers throughout the state and allocate $3.5 million for a training program to perform the procedure safely. That same month, he rejected a measure that would require companies to offer 12 weeks of partially paid medical leave for their employees. In 2020, he blocked legislation to mandate background checks on private rifle and shotgun sales. And throughout his tenure, he vetoed bills to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, allow voters to fix mistakes on their mail-in ballots, and ban employers from asking job applicants about their criminal history.
Everything he did that a Democrat wouldn't have done is going to be pointed out and amplified, says Michael Hanmer, a University of Maryland politics professor. Maryland voters are pretty savvy. Theyre not too far from Washington, D.C. In a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans two-to-one, Hanmer adds, a right-wing veto history could be costly when the balance of power in Washington is at stake. Those are vulnerabilities for him.
elleng
(131,457 posts)and when the General election takes place
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)toxic. He voted against it and when he lost as the legislature overrode his veto...he denied funding. There is no doubt he would support a 15 week or complete ban on abortion. Roe Roe your vote. Hogan will lose.
Polybius
(15,540 posts)If this were October, would you still be as vibrant, or would you say "I don't see how Hogan can lose now?"
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)and may I remind you I was correct about Fetterman and the midterm?
Polybius
(15,540 posts)In fact by late October, I predicted he'd win.
Demsrule86
(68,868 posts)Do have a nice day!
Polybius
(15,540 posts)We'll talk more as November approaches. You too!
Omnipresent
(5,740 posts)This guy will do nothing for the women of Maryland, in that position.