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Maryland Senate poll (Baltimore Sun): Hogan up by double digits (Original Post) Polybius Apr 16 OP
Should we give up? Kingofalldems Apr 16 #1
Hell no Polybius Apr 16 #3
I live in Md. and see no signs of a republican victory. Kingofalldems Apr 16 #7
Yes I did Polybius Apr 16 #24
Yes Silent3 Apr 16 #5
Don't be tempted to give up, KOAD... hang in there and GOTV!! When we vote, we WIN!! WarGamer Apr 16 #15
Except the post was sarcasm. Kingofalldems Apr 16 #19
Maryland do you want to vote for any Republican that will give them control of the senate and who will kimbutgar Apr 16 #2
The Sun was recently sold to a hard right owner. I trust NOTHING I might learn from their polling Stinky The Clown Apr 16 #4
Sinclair--hardcore RW and thoroughly dishonest. Kingofalldems Apr 16 #9
Well, the polling might be off, but don't dismiss the simple name recognition advantage... Silent3 Apr 16 #10
The Sun did not do the polling, and they were not the only sponsors. The pollster was OpinionWorks, who the old, non RW Celerity Apr 21 #59
I wouldn't put much stock in these polls until there's a Democratic nominee. Bleacher Creature Apr 16 #6
Totally agree with you crazylikafox Apr 16 #17
He needs to be fought using abortion...he would support a national ban...he is very Demsrule86 Apr 16 #8
He was nominally pro-choice as Governor Deep State Witch Apr 16 #22
Hogan would not support a national abortion ban vote Polybius Apr 16 #25
But, once he's in the senate Bettie Apr 16 #40
He is evading the question on abortion. Demsrule86 Apr 19 #42
Hogan is not pro-choice...he evades the question. And I believe he would support a national Demsrule86 Apr 19 #41
Not pro-choice Polybius Apr 20 #47
He would vote for a national abortion ban in a heartbeat. He did everything he could to restrict abortion in Maryland Demsrule86 Apr 26 #62
Ha ha. You don't know the bullshit that happens in the Senate. 617Blue Apr 21 #56
Well, we'll see Polybius Apr 21 #57
Sun is owned by a MOMFUDSKI Apr 16 #11
That newspaper is now hard right. This is a bullshit poll. NoRethugFriends Apr 16 #12
Yep--I consider it right wing talking points. Kingofalldems Apr 16 #14
The hard-right hates Hogan Polybius Apr 16 #28
The hard right would still prefer a Rethug to a Democrat in the senate, by far NoRethugFriends Apr 16 #39
Hogan would vote with the far right...he made a serious effort to stop a woman from having Demsrule86 Apr 21 #51
Thanks elleng Apr 16 #34
Hogan is going to be hard to beat.. DemocratInPa Apr 19 #43
he will lose NoRethugFriends Apr 20 #46
He screwed women on the abortion issue...he will lose. Demsrule86 Apr 21 #52
We thought Vance would lose... DemocratInPa Apr 21 #58
I love Tim Ryan but he ran a bad campaign. He did not campaign on Abortion...he tried to buddy up with MAGA instead of Demsrule86 Apr 26 #61
Yes, he is. roamer65 Apr 21 #60
All it means is that Hogan has better name recognition at the moment Wicked Blue Apr 16 #13
Not surprising to me calguy Apr 16 #16
I'm not big into polls, but... appmanga Apr 16 #18
I Refuse To Believe Anything From the Deep State Witch Apr 16 #20
Thanks elleng Apr 16 #33
Western Maryland is a MAGA hellhole Mysterian Apr 16 #21
Until Democrats have a nominee, this is largely name recognition for Hogan brooklynite Apr 16 #23
Still about a month away from that Polybius Apr 16 #29
As long as Trone wins the primary, I think we are in good shape. He can throw a ton of his own money into the race. tritsofme Apr 16 #26
Well isn't THAT nice, DON'T worry because 'deep pockets' will save us elleng Apr 16 #32
Thankfully Trone appears to be running away with the primary! Great news for the Democratic Senate majority! tritsofme Apr 16 #35
Swell, I have read that he's great because he's a white male with money. elleng Apr 16 #36
Trone is a Democratic congressman with a solid record, not a comic book villain. tritsofme Apr 16 #37
Trone's spending from his personal fortune exceeds $40 million in latest Senate race disclosure report. elleng Apr 16 #38
Dems don't have a nominee. Elessar Zappa Apr 16 #27
This is April, I'd be more worried if this was July. patphil Apr 16 #30
Hogan has voted against abortion rights in Maryland a governor. Demsrule86 Apr 20 #45
Highly useful, because everyone knows who the candidates are, elleng Apr 16 #31
There is no candidate yet. And as we discussd previoiusly. Hogan's record on abortion is Demsrule86 Apr 19 #44
Do you ever worry about anything? Polybius Apr 20 #48
I don't believe that women will vote for a candidate that screwed massively with abortion... Demsrule86 Apr 21 #49
Fetterman was never down by 12-15 points Polybius Apr 21 #54
Also, Polls are even more useless if there is no clear candidate. Demsrule86 Apr 21 #50
Fair enough Polybius Apr 21 #55
Hogan's vote would only worsen the situation in the supreme court. Omnipresent Apr 21 #53

Kingofalldems

(38,520 posts)
7. I live in Md. and see no signs of a republican victory.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:16 PM
Apr 16

Did you post the other poll you mentioned? Just asking.

Polybius

(15,540 posts)
24. Yes I did
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:11 PM
Apr 16

It was more recent than I thought, April 2nd.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218830208

That's good to know. What I can't understand though is why was he popular? He had to have a lot of cross-Party votes to get elected in such a Blue state.

Silent3

(15,455 posts)
5. Yes
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:12 PM
Apr 16

That’s exactly what it means when someone expresses concern about unfavorable polls. Clearly it’s a sign of abject resignation to failure, and a ploy to drag everyone else down into an abyss of despair and inaction.

kimbutgar

(21,289 posts)
2. Maryland do you want to vote for any Republican that will give them control of the senate and who will
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:04 PM
Apr 16

Vote in lockstep and take away more of your rights?

Vote Republican lose rights vote Democratic move forward !

Stinky The Clown

(67,849 posts)
4. The Sun was recently sold to a hard right owner. I trust NOTHING I might learn from their polling
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:12 PM
Apr 16

David Smith also owns Sinclair.

'Nuff said.

Silent3

(15,455 posts)
10. Well, the polling might be off, but don't dismiss the simple name recognition advantage...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:18 PM
Apr 16

…Hogan has.

Also, much to our detriment, most American voters are clueless about the importance of control of the Senate, and totally unaware of how close that’s going to be.

Many just think, “Gosh, Hogan seems like a nice guy, and he’s been okay as a governor, so why not?”

Celerity

(43,800 posts)
59. The Sun did not do the polling, and they were not the only sponsors. The pollster was OpinionWorks, who the old, non RW
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:46 PM
Apr 21

Sun ownership also used in the past.

A similar situation are Fox News polls. They do not do the polling themselves and some of their pollsters have been quite accurate over the years.

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
6. I wouldn't put much stock in these polls until there's a Democratic nominee.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:13 PM
Apr 16

I agree that this is concerning, but until there's a clear candidate I don't think you can accurately know the state of this race. I still think that we beat Hogan if we can unite behind whoever wins in May.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
8. He needs to be fought using abortion...he would support a national ban...he is very
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:16 PM
Apr 16

evasive. He needs to be forced to reveal his true views. Roe Roe your vote.

Deep State Witch

(10,482 posts)
22. He was nominally pro-choice as Governor
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:04 PM
Apr 16

His explanation was that "I have four daughters. Of course I'm pro-choice." But lately he's been kind of evasive on it. I'd prefer a full-throated repudiation of any kind of abortion ban.

Polybius

(15,540 posts)
25. Hogan would not support a national abortion ban vote
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:14 PM
Apr 16

The people of Maryland know his stance on choice.

Bettie

(16,151 posts)
40. But, once he's in the senate
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 04:18 PM
Apr 16

they tend to get absolute compliance from their side. Plus, with the turtle gone, there's likely to be an even worse R in his place.

I remember when I thought he was the worst....sigh.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
42. He is evading the question on abortion.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:27 PM
Apr 19

He has a disturbing record as governor also. This is a bad guy for women and would undoubtedly vote for a national ban.

'Hogan’s decision to veto legislation to expand abortion access in Maryland in 2022 lingers with voters like Langer. She supports abortion rights unequivocally and said she probably will back a candidate who doesn’t hedge.

Hogan has said he does not support taking abortion rights away, even though he personally opposes abortion. However, as governor, he vetoed legislation to end a restriction that only physicians provide abortions. When his veto was overridden by Democrats who control the Legislature, he used the power of his office to block funding set aside to support training non-physicians to perform them.'

https://apnews.com/article/maryland-senate-election-abortion-larry-hogan-2032f3621d4a4b8f9f63740af08db22b



Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
41. Hogan is not pro-choice...he evades the question. And I believe he would support a national
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:22 PM
Apr 19

ban. And he would give the GOP an additional Senator...he has to be defeated. Abortion care is not safe if he wins and we lose the Senate. And won't get judges.

617Blue

(1,282 posts)
56. Ha ha. You don't know the bullshit that happens in the Senate.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:01 PM
Apr 21

Whatever he's said or done up to now means nothing.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
51. Hogan would vote with the far right...he made a serious effort to stop a woman from having
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:54 AM
Apr 21

abortion care. He did everything he could. He didn't have the legislature which is why he was unsuccessful...still, he eliminated funding to get his way. I have no doubt, he would vote for a national ban.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
61. I love Tim Ryan but he ran a bad campaign. He did not campaign on Abortion...he tried to buddy up with MAGA instead of
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:12 PM
Apr 26

attacking them. Cuyahoga stayed home which was stupid of course...but that was a mistake.

calguy

(5,353 posts)
16. Not surprising to me
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 02:48 PM
Apr 16

I know nothing about Maryland politics, but from what I saw of Hogan when he was in the national headlight, he seemed like one of the level-headed Republicans. If he was a popular Governor, then it's not surprising to see him with a lead in another state-wide election.

appmanga

(595 posts)
18. I'm not big into polls, but...
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:00 PM
Apr 16

...whenever a candidate is shown as above 50 percent, attention needs to be paid. Adding any Republican to Congress would be a serious mistake because that Republican will be a vote for their caucus. There will be no filibuster reform with more Republicans in the Senate, and the filibuster is how the George Floyd bill, the John Lewis Voting Right Act, and the extension of the monthly paid child tax credit were done away with. I would think these are important things to the overwhelmingly Democratic voters in Maryland.

tritsofme

(17,449 posts)
26. As long as Trone wins the primary, I think we are in good shape. He can throw a ton of his own money into the race.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:15 PM
Apr 16

Tying Hogan to the incredibly unpopular national GOP brand will make him toxic, with convict Trump roaming the country, I don’t think he will be able to escape it.

tritsofme

(17,449 posts)
35. Thankfully Trone appears to be running away with the primary! Great news for the Democratic Senate majority!
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:39 PM
Apr 16

elleng

(131,457 posts)
36. Swell, I have read that he's great because he's a white male with money.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:44 PM
Apr 16

I don't go for it, I prefer a progressive candidate with experience working for people, not his bank book.

elleng

(131,457 posts)
38. Trone's spending from his personal fortune exceeds $40 million in latest Senate race disclosure report.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:59 PM
Apr 16

The Self-Funding ‘Victim’ of the Criminal Justice System
David Trone, founder of the Total Wine chain, is trying to draw a contrast with his primary opponent, a former prosecutor, by saying he’s been caught up in the system. It was for business violations. . .

EARLY ON IN THE RACE, TRONE’S COMPANY TOTAL WINE was embroiled in a lawsuit, since settled, due to its unwillingness to cooperate with the Federal Trade Commission regarding an ongoing investigation into alcohol distributor Southern Glazer’s. The nature of the pending antitrust lawsuit would inherently feature SouthernGlazer’s dealing with Total Wine, one of the largest distributors and retailers of alcohol.

Over the course of Total Wine’s history, Trone’s company routinely flouted state anti-monopoly laws protecting consumers and independent businesses from aggressive practices by big-box chains. Across several states, Total Wine was found guilty of breaking minimum-pricing laws, leading to fines of tens of thousands of dollars or the suspension of its liquor licenses.

In response to questions about his company’s track record and the tenuous connection to a broken criminal justice system, Trone’s campaign pointed to an incident back in the 1990s where state regulators went after him and his business.

The charges were related to a scheme Trone orchestrated in Pennsylvania to bypass state restrictions on the number of liquor stores one company could set up. He enlisted his wife, brother, and several friends to set up stores in their name instead, all of which would hire Trone’s own consultancy firm to actually run the business. It was effectively a clever accounting trick that drew the attention of the state.

Trone attributes the prosecution to an overeager and corrupt state attorney general, Ernest Preate, who did later go to prison for other reasons. The case against Trone was dragged out and never led to a conviction.

“David and members of his family were wrongfully arrested and prosecuted by a career politician,” the campaign said. “David knows he prevailed in court because he had the resources to prove his innocence in a criminal justice system too often stacked in favor of the white and the wealthy.”

The circumstances of the case are certainly mired by Preate’s dealings. But what’s clear is that after that run-in with the law, Total Wine pivoted its strategy. Trone discovered he could just as easily exert political influence to preemptively change state laws that were getting in the way of his business ambitions. He’s launched extensive lobbying campaigns to deregulate minimum pricing and other restrictions against big-box liquor stores and even backed legal efforts that went all the way to the Supreme Court, which overturned Tennessee licensing rules.

“I’ve passed more laws than most politicians,” he said in an interview with The Washington Post in 2016 when he was running for Congress, regarding his lobbying prowess. “I sign my checks to buy access.”

https://prospect.org/politics/2024-03-22-david-trone-self-funding-victim-criminal-justice/

Elessar Zappa

(14,156 posts)
27. Dems don't have a nominee.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:16 PM
Apr 16

Generic polls don’t mean that much. I’ll be more concerned if it looks like this in September.

patphil

(6,266 posts)
30. This is April, I'd be more worried if this was July.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:26 PM
Apr 16

Larry Hogan has a big advantage in name recognition, and did a credible job as governor.
I don't know much about his national politics, but he supported Niki Halley, so he isn't a Trump humper.
Once we have a candidate, and the election gets going, we'll have a clearer view of how we stand for the fall election.
Remember, Biden won big in Maryland in 2020...over 65% of the vote.
We do need to hold this seat though.

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
45. Hogan has voted against abortion rights in Maryland a governor.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 12:02 AM
Apr 20
https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/planned-parenthood-advocates-dc-maryland-nova/press-room/senate-candidate-larry-hogans-record-on-abortion-is-why-maryland-needs-the-strongest-possible-protections

https://time.com/6694872/larry-hogan-maryland-senators-abortion/

"But during his eight years as governor, Hogan amassed a record of vetoing legislation that shows him to be more conservative than his national profile suggests. In April 2022, shortly before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, Hogan vetoed a bill to increase the number of abortion providers throughout the state and allocate $3.5 million for a training program to perform the procedure safely. That same month, he rejected a measure that would require companies to offer 12 weeks of partially paid medical leave for their employees. In 2020, he blocked legislation to mandate background checks on private rifle and shotgun sales. And throughout his tenure, he vetoed bills to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, allow voters to fix mistakes on their mail-in ballots, and ban employers from asking job applicants about their criminal history.

“Everything he did that a Democrat wouldn't have done is going to be pointed out and amplified,” says Michael Hanmer, a University of Maryland politics professor. “Maryland voters are pretty savvy. They’re not too far from Washington, D.C.” In a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans two-to-one, Hanmer adds, a right-wing veto history could be costly when the balance of power in Washington is at stake. “Those are vulnerabilities for him.”

elleng

(131,457 posts)
31. Highly useful, because everyone knows who the candidates are,
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 03:32 PM
Apr 16

and when the General election takes place

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
44. There is no candidate yet. And as we discussd previoiusly. Hogan's record on abortion is
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:57 PM
Apr 19

toxic. He voted against it and when he lost as the legislature overrode his veto...he denied funding. There is no doubt he would support a 15 week or complete ban on abortion. Roe Roe your vote. Hogan will lose.

Polybius

(15,540 posts)
48. Do you ever worry about anything?
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:17 AM
Apr 20

If this were October, would you still be as vibrant, or would you say "I don't see how Hogan can lose now?"

Demsrule86

(68,868 posts)
49. I don't believe that women will vote for a candidate that screwed massively with abortion...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:50 AM
Apr 21

and may I remind you I was correct about Fetterman and the midterm?

Omnipresent

(5,740 posts)
53. Hogan's vote would only worsen the situation in the supreme court.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:00 PM
Apr 21

This guy will do nothing for the women of Maryland, in that position.

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