Gazan men who say they were detained by Israeli army detail shocking allegations of physical and sexual abuse

[David__77]

On a thin mattress in a tent in Rafah, with the constant drone of war above him, Mustafa Jamal Kahlout feels lucky to be alive.

He's still recovering from surgery in January for internal bleeding and broken ribs that he says were the result of relentless beatings inside an Israeli detention centre.

Mustafa told the ABC he's not sure why the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) picked him up, but he says their questions suggested they were suspicious he and his family did not follow orders to evacuate to Gaza's south.

"They asked me why I did not travel to the south. I told them my mother is old and my father died, she cannot walk. They would reply that is not enough," he said.

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https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103692464

[TexasDem69]

1. If true, I imagine Israel will punish those responsible

Has Hamas punished any of the rapists or murderers from 10/7? Has Hamas promised to find those who carried out these atrocities and hold them responsible?

[David__77]

2. On what basis would you imagine such a thing?

There are mobs burning villages the West Bank under under army protection.

[TexasDem69]

4. I'm trying to understand the point of your post

Israel has punished IDF soldiers for making mistakes that cost innocent lives, and it’s clear that Israeli soldiers have killed people they should not have. But that happens in war. I’d prefer that you answer the question I asked—has Hamas condemned the actions of the murderers and rapists on 10/7? Has Hamas promised to prosecute those who killed civilians at a concert or in their homes, or raped and mutilated Israeli women? Has Hamas condemned the kidnapping of hundreds of civilians? Yes or no? Every post you offer on this issue accuses Israel of wrongdoing—in this case based on a poorly sourced story. It’s completely possible this one person is telling the truth, and he was abused and beaten. And if true then the perpetrators should be prosecuted. But Hamas’ entire existence is based on killing Israeli citizens, and you continue to point the finger at a country defending itself.

[revmclaren]

5. You're not going to get a real answer.

It's "Isreal bad because ........ .

If its Hamas bad it's because we know they are bad, somehow that gives them the excuse to be bad because saying they are bad wouldn't change them being bad" or something like that.

Makes my head spin.

And if some posters post first saying that Hamas is bad, it seams to always be followed by "but Israel or but Gaza".

IMHO of course.

[David__77]

6. Interestingly, this was "...but Hamas"

[TexasDem69]

11. What's interesting is your lack of any substantive response

[David__77]

14. You expressed non-understanding of this news story.

I think it speaks for itself.

[David__77]

3. Related info: Palestinians 'beaten and sexually assaulted' at Israeli detention centres, UN report claims

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims

[leftstreet]

7. Good Gawd n/t

[aocommunalpunch]

8. I remember Abu Ghraib vividly.

How long until more do? If war crimes must be dealt out, why must we help finance it? Lunacy.

[malaise]

9. But but but

Hamas

[TexasDem69]

12. I'll pose the same question to you I asked David77

Response?

[Ping Tung]

10. ".....the forced displacement of civilians can constitute a war crime " UNHR

And, "it's war and everybody does it" is a piss poor excuse for doing it.

[David__77]

13. Correct.

[Bucky]

15. Netanyahu and other Israeli pols have been demonizing Palestinians for years

Just not as badly as Hamas has.

But if you degrade people and then blame atrocities on them... and then go to war with them, war crimes are pretty much guaranteed.

This is why you need to avoid urban warfare. The fight against Hamas has been flawed from the inception, mostly because Netanyahu wanted a distraction from his incompetence and desperate unpopularity

[gulliver]

16. I really despise Rat Face (Putin)

At least we can agree on that.