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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow much longer WILL Dem officeholders feel they HAVE to wear those $*%&^#@ FLAG PINS!
OK...after 9/11, it made sense that they'd wear 'em-most people did, at that stage.
Even during the Iraq War, a case could sort of be made for it.
But ELEVEN years later?
When we're even on the way OUT of Afghanistan?
When there's no longer ANY real threat to this country?
When there's no possible reason for anybody to DEMAND that our officeholders prove that...well... that they're loyal to this country, over and over and over again?
Do any of the rest of you think "ENOUGH already with the pins"?
Can't our party, at least, leave the pin fetish to the 'pugs and admit that the country has moved on from 9/11?
(No, this isn't the single biggest issue out there...but it isn't something that really HAS to go on for any particular reason.)
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He used it as a "fuck you, hippies!" gesture...and anytime you saw one of his appointees wearing a flag pin with that arrogant, Teutonic look on his face, you knew the guy was weeks away from getting indicted.
It's time to stop tying ourselves to something that has always been an arrogant, spiteful right-wing way of saying "We're Americans and YOU aren't".
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....and previously in the article which, as an amateur historian, I found to be very interesting....
The origin of the flag lapel pin is murky, though it is by necessity linked the history of the American flag as a commonly used symbol. According to Marc Leepson's Flag: An American Biography, the "near religious reverence many Americans have" for our national symbol dates only to the Civil War era (not back to the Revolutionary War, as many assume) . Prior to that, few private citizens possessed or flew their own flags it was limited to military and federal facilities. When the Confederates started winning battles early on in the War Between the States, Northerners began to fly the flag as a sign of pride.
Since then, flag imagery has been intricately tied to moments of crisis or conflict. Over the past four decades, Kit Hinrichs, one of the nation's top graphic designers, has collected more than 5,000 pieces of stars and stripesrelated memorabilia. He says the flag lapel pins in his collection don't really date back before mid-century. "I don't think it was a common thing for men and women to wear before the Second World War," he says. "I certainly have jewelry from before then with flags on it cufflinks and stick pins and tuxedo buttons and brooches but not [many flag pins] before the '50s."
More at http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1820023,00.html
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Hekate
(90,737 posts)DakotaLady
(246 posts)automobiles ... I'd like to see that go away as well.
Aristus
(66,409 posts)I agree with you.
Welcome to DU, DakotaLady!
Do you live in one of the Dakota states, or the Dakota apartment building in New York?
DakotaLady
(246 posts)I drove my Dakota 4X4 in and around the Sierra Nevada mountains.
Thank you for the welcome ...
Aristus
(66,409 posts)Anyway, good to have you here!
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)showing her age tho... michigan weather
Welcome to DU!
MrYikes
(720 posts)LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)1. "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
2. "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
a kennedy
(29,680 posts)thanks for posting....and isn't that the truth.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....and you'll see that the swastika flag played a huge role in how they sold themselves to the German people. The pageantry and patriotism of the Nazi Party appealed greatly to a population desperately looking for a way out of their financial woes.
Additionally, the Nazi Party made a big deal about being allied with the Catholic Church. On March 23, 1933, Hitler addressed the Reichstag and stated that the Christian belief was the "unshakeable foundation of the moral and ethical life of our people". On March 24, 1933, Hitler was granted dictatorial powers by the German parliament through the Enabling Act, with the Catholic Center Party headed by Prelate Ludwig Kaas casting the deciding votes.
It's just my opinion, but it doesn't take much of an imagination to see how closely we came to moving to a fascist form of government had the Republicans won the 2012 election.
RandiFan1290
(6,239 posts)and the rebpublican media
kooljerk666
(776 posts)instantly.
All it sez to me is Thief/Liar/War Profiteer/MASS MURDER/ WARCRIMINAL.............
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)kooljerk666
(776 posts)It has been cheapened, in my eyes...........
DCKit
(18,541 posts)unhappycamper
(60,364 posts)Is it the Rising Sun or is it a symbol of their willingness to shed blood for their plutocrats/owners?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It's always red: DefCon 1. But your theory is as good as mine.
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)The UN Flag. Now THAT I would support wholeheartedly!
All democrats should wear such a pin to show not just our solidarity with progressive values but our goal to eliiminate capitalism, which is more represented by the US flag.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Do you honestly think that a majority of Democrats are against capitalism? And if I wont pledge allegiance to a scrap of paper representing my own country, why would I pledge allegiance to the UN?
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)Capitalism results in unfair wage discrencies that creates greater poverty with fewer uberrich republicanist bastards. And that "pledge" you take results in feeling superior to other people strictly by the piece of land you eat and shit on, NOT their ethnicity and progressive intent. The UN represents ALL people, and that is far preferable than segregated republican-military-industrial mind numbed "country first" stupor.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)if you're going to go all self righteous. I clearly stated I DON'T pledge loyalty to any scrap of fabric. And the UN stopped representing ALL people decades ago.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Sorry, I just felt like doing that.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If they wore actual full-sized flags sewn to their lapels, that'd be weird...but I'd be ok with it.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)with the first few words of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution? I liked those.
I also wish that all of us would go back to contributing to veterans' charities over Memorial Day weekend or around Veterans Day (actually the WWI Armistice Day) by buying those little paper poppy lapel flowers. When I watch British, Canadian, Ozzie and Kiwi TV or news stories around Veterans-Armistice day everyone on camera is wearing a poppy.
I remember selling them in the itty bitty downtown of my hometown. My Dad, a WWII vet got me and my friend (who's dad was also a WWII vet--both Navy) to do it. Here in the US the poppies stand not only for WWI (where soldiers fought in the poppy fields of France) but for soldiers who fought in all our wars. It's not much of a contribution, but these things add up, and wearing the poppy (I usually attach mine to my handbag) is a way to say to our vets, "We're thinking of you."
As to the little flags--I can take them or leave them. They don't upset me. I do like to see politicians put their hand over their hearts (or if a veteran, a salute if that's appropriate) when our national anthem is played. I think that it is a good thing for Dems to do. It helps dispel the myths that we don't want to do what's right for our country, and it keeps the pukes for using photos to denigrate our candidates. Recall that photo taken at the Harkin steak fry with Obama, Bill Richardson, Hillary and Ruth Harkin, the Senator's wife. All but Obama had their hand over their heart. Obama held his hands together low on his torso. I don't care that he didn't do the heart thing, but it gave a lot of ammo to the pukes. The photo said all kinds of things that weren't meant and that we didn't need.
LukeFL
(594 posts)I personally think they look cute on the President. And it's patriotic.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And no one should ever have been made to feel that the HAD to wear one.
Also, there's the Nixon era thing...where the flag pin was about saying "I'm American and you're not".
The pin has too many arrogant, exclusivist associations for me...and from the responses in this thread, I'm not alone on that.
LukeFL
(594 posts)I am sure the president likes wearing it. I don't thnk he has been made to ir forced to.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Nobody should have to PROVE they are loyal to the country on a daily basis...including the people who help govern it.
That and there's something disturbing about making patriotism into a fetishization of a symbol...rather than something that's shown by the things a person does to make life better in the country where she or he lives.
dballance
(5,756 posts)It has been made into an obligation to prove your patriotism. Just like when there was the uproar on the net because the President wasn't holding his hand over his heart at some event where the national anthem was played. No where in the Constitution or in any statutes is that a requirement. It's another show of BS symbolism by the people who always seem to be more concerned with the symbolism than with doing anything productive.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)ReasonableToo
(505 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Republicans think they have exclusive rights to the Stars and Stripes. Every time a Democrat wears a flag pin, it's a nice "Fuck you!" to every Repuke who thinks he/she owns our flag.
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)The flag is important to me, but I agree the right seems to think they have exclusive providence over it.
POTUS wears a lapel pin flag. I have no issues with it.
What I do have issues with is the way the right wrap themselves in it while they take away freedoms, services and benefits from the majority of Americans.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Most of them probably have a flag pin on each lapel. I just think there are bigger rants out there than a flag pin.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)It reminds me of what country we're living in when we do egregious things like crawl over a disabled man in his wheelchair to vote against others like him.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I feel very strongly about taking back the flag from the right. The flag is for all Americans, and the right wing does not have a monopoly on it.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...it's all about how US public perception is managed.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I feel strongly that the flag is an American symbol and not a right wing symbol. So I don't want them to have a monopoly on it.