Diners Called 'Fat Girls' On Check

[apples and oranges]

When three friends finished their meal at a California restaurant, they did not expect to be insulted on the bill.

That is exactly what happened to Christine Duran, Christina Huerta and Isabel Robles when they visited Chilly D's Sports Lounge, part of the Cameo Club Casino, in Stockton, Calif., according to ABC affiliate News 10. When the three diners got their check they saw "fat girls" written on their bill.

"I got the bill, and I was like, why does the receipt say, 'fat girls?'" Duran told News 10. At first, her friends didn't even believe her. &quot Huerta) was like, 'You're lying,' And I was like, 'No, I'm serious. Look at it.' She was like, 'fat girls?'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/09/diners-called-fat-girls-on-restaurant-bill-check-cameo-club-cardroom-lounge_n_2267805.html

[PCIntern]

2. "rude" is if people stare overlong at them...

disgusting and reprehensible is printing that on the check.

[Fla_Democrat]

3. Ouch

[slackmaster]

13. I just watched the video. The restaurant is 21 and up only.

Obviously the three are WOMEN, not girls.

[dballance]

32. "Accurate?" Who the hell cares if it was "accurate?"

So what if they happened to be overweight? Have you seen the stats on how many US citizens are overweight or obese? Thanks in part to restaurants like Chilly D's with their ridiculously large portions of food that no person should consume in one sitting.

How would you feel about a bill that had "Nigger Bitches Table 1" on it? It might be accurate that the people were female African-Americans but it would still be disgusting and over the line.

We establish lines in the sand about how to be decent to others. This clearly crossed all those lines.

[alcibiades_mystery]

64. What in the world?!??

[southernyankeebelle]

79. Agree with you 100%. Employees should be happy that they have customers come in to their

establishment to eat and enjoy their dinner and receive a check and tip and all say thank you. How dare the waiters be so rude. These ladies came in and spent their money. They could have gone anywhere but they chose to go to their establishment. I sure hope the establishment is going to make it up to them. It isn't the right to judge people especially when they are spending good money in your establishment. Nothing but rude, rude, rude.

[Confusious]

114. I don't agree with the "fat girls" thing

But saying people are overweight because restaurants give large portions is just, well, stupid. Sorry I can't say it in a different word.

Restaurants have a thing called "doggie bags"

People have things called "choices." some people just make the wrong ones.

[dballance]

128. I never said people are overweight due to restaurant's large portions - Don't call my opinion stupid

I only implied restaurants' overly large portions are a contributing factor to our current epidemic of obesity. So please don't call me stupid. It's insulting.

Yes, people have choices. They certainly have the choice to not gorge themselves and take home doggie bags instead.

When I go to McDonalds and order a "small" drink these days it is the size of what would have been considered a "large" drink when I was growing up. So don't try to tell me things have not changed and that the portion sizes are not a factor. We also still deal with that whole "clean your plate" mentality parents used on us. I believe that makes many people try to finish off the whole plate they are served even when they were full about half way through it.

[former9thward]

137. Now you go from blaming restaurants to blaming parents.

Don't individuals have ANY responsibility for their decisions? I left home at 17 and from that day on EVERY decision I made, good or bad, was my responsibility and my fault. NO ONE had any contributing fault for anything I did or did not do.

[dballance]

150. Misdirection Central. Where did I blame parents?

Are you kidding me? Please quote or link to where I blamed parents.

Or for, that matter I said people are not responsible for their own behavior. That's actually at the core of the problem here.

People behaved badly. They insulted other people for no other reason than their presumed prejudice against overweight people.

So yes, I agree with you. People have total responsibility for their decisions. Like their decision to ridicule people. If they get fired for that it is totally their responsibility and their fault. Just as you assert.

[Confusious]

140. A. I didn't call YOU stupid

I called the idea that restaurants are somehow responsible for half the population being overweight stupid.

B. wether or not they give me 5 gallons of soda, it's still my choice to drink that 5 gallons in one sitting.
I don't eat a whole large pizza in one sitting. If the restaurant wants to serve lard, that's their choice. I just won't go there. I'm not just going to eat any and all shit set before me.

C. I gave up in finishing everything 15 years ago. We aren't animals. We don't just act on instinct. We can learn new behaviors.

If they can't learn to be responsible, it's no ones fault but their own.

[dballance]

146. Well There You go Again

I never said you called me stupid. I objected to you calling my opinion stupid because I have every right to have my opinion.

I also never said that restaurants "are somehow responsible for half the population being overweight." You might want to re-read my post and try to understand I only implied they are a contributing factor.

Not to mention you inserted "half the population being overweight" when I never wrote such a thing.

If you want to rebut my opinion then fine. Please do it on actual statements I made though.

[Confusious]

160. So I guess you didn't write:

"So please don't call me stupid. It's insulting."

"You might want to re-read my post and try to understand I only implied they are a contributing factor."

You only implied. Well, I think the implication is stupid, for the same reason I stated before.

If you have an opinion, it's going to be criticized, especially if that implication "implies" everyone is a helpless victim who can't wipe their own asses.

Not to mention you inserted "half the population being overweight" when I never wrote such a thing.

I inserted half the population because half the population of America is overweight.

You know, facts.

[trumad]

51. On your bill they wrote Douchebag.

[FarCenter]

57. So you think that being fat is equivalent to being a douchebag?

[obamanut2012]

62. Worse -- you can lose weight

[Agschmid]

104. +1 n/t

[treestar]

109. I always liked that bumpersticker

even when I was thin - I may be fat, but you're ugly, and I can lose weight.

[mythology]

165. I prefer the original quote from Winston Churchill

Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

[yardwork]

148. Ba da bing.

[ohheckyeah]

168. *snort*

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

121. At Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

At Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

On your bill they wrote Douchebag.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1957332

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Nothing but a personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:29 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: I don't disagree, but it is a personal attack. Saying rude things about people on the news and saying rude things to a DUer are not equivalent.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I call this an accurate description.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Rude, but accurate.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Direct personal attack. Nothing was added beside headline to call another a name.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Yeah, it's a personal attack. But it's accurate.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[msanthrope]

130. I think I love juror #4. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

134. What, no love for # 2? :-P nt

[trumad]

143. If it walks like a duck...well...

[Bake]

189. The way things are going around here I thought it was going to be because

use of the term "douchebag" is no longer appropriate!

Just so we're clear, we CAN still call Rethugs and Teabaggers (sorry, I repeat myself) "douchebags," right?



Bake

[blueclown]

55. Disgusting condoning of unacceptable and discriminatory behavior by the restaurant.

I'm appalled, really.

[Confusious]

115. Unacceptable? Yea

Calling someone a name really isn't discriminatory. Rude yea.

[quakerboy]

149. No?

You don't think that the writing on the check might be indicative of some sort of discrimination? I can assure you there is plenty of discrimination re fat people. And its an extraordinarily rare person who would write that on the bill, and not express that in their actions in some fashion.

[Confusious]

158. You said it yourself

There's a difference between saying a word, and taking action.

But also saying a word doesn't mean someone has done something.

Unless of course, you have proof some action was taken.

[quakerboy]

173. The action was writing that down

As a start. And if you believe that a person who would write that on the check treated those diners the same as any others of a different stature, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I would like to offer you, at a great price.

[Confusious]

187. The act of writing a a bad name

Does not equate to doing something discriminatory.

I've worked in retail. I've had shit customers, I called them all sorts of names. I didn't do anything discriminatory.

Now again, unless you have proof, which you probably don't, you're just blowing smoke out your ass.

[quakerboy]

196. So someones stature makes them equal to a "shit customer"?

I bet money when you didn't like a customer, it effected your actions. Possibly the expression on your face. You may think that you didnt change a thing, but unless you are an amazing actor, they knew and it effected their experience.

And the act of writing it down indicates that this was not a carefully held internal secret for the person serving them. Which makes it even more likely than with your average person who sees a fat person and things ill of them that this servers actions were effected by it.

In short, neither of us were there. Neither of us can prove that this server did or did not alter his/her actions toward these patrons based on their stature. But I can tell you which is more likely to be correct, based on real world experience.

That said, I don't care to speak with you any more. I find you unnecessarily unpleasant, and the need to try and make your post mildly personally insulting rather than focusing on the argument between us does not make me inclined to believe any positive outcome will come of further discussion with you on this matter. So, Have a good day, a good winter season, and best of luck.

[Confusious]

197. Well that's good

I won't have to put up with you reading shit into my posts that wasn't there.

Or reading shit into peoples thoughts that do not equate to actions.

"I find you unnecessarily unpleasant"

Ditto, though more "thought police" unpleasant.

[mythology]

191. Unless it's something that's been tolerated more than once by the restaurant

I think it's more appropriate to blame the waiter, who has now been fired.

Even if you assume the waiter has done this before, I know I've never looked at the name section on a receipt. I would assume most people don't.

[blueclown]

193. I was talking about DU's reaction to this...

And particularly the post that is now hidden by jury decision.

I commend the restaurant on firing the waiter... they should also fire the manager.

[progressoid]

4. (Huerta) was like... And I was like ... She was like...

And I'm like

[Union Scribe]

20. THAT's what he should have put on the bill

"like girls"

[Hassin Bin Sober]

31. I was thinking "valley girls"

[zappaman]

5. So, were they?

Fat, that is.

[Warpy]

6. If they were, do you think they didn't already know it?

Why did some jerk feel it necessary to bully them over it?

Why do you think it was OK?

[zappaman]

7. Not ok.

Just was wondering...

[jberryhill]

78. It was unlikely that anyone found it "necessary to bully them"

It is, however, likely that someone taking the order found it necessary to distinguish one group of customers from other groups or single customers for the purpose of ensuring that the order was given to the correct group of customers.

Mine would probably say "balding old fart", for example.

[angstlessk]

105. If I were 'Jeff' and wanted a tip...I would distingish them by "3 pretty ladies"..

still able to know whom I am serving..and I will get a tip.....and not notoriety..and all overweight women out to get my piece of crap!

[LanternWaste]

116. What specifically leads you to believe that one scenario is unlikely

What specifically leads you to believe that one scenario is unlikely (necessary to bully them&quot and the other (distinguish one group of customers from other groups) more likely?

[arely staircase]

126. probably because of where it was on the bill

the part that distinguishes customers

and as someone pointed out earlier, if jeff wanted a tip he should have put "nice women" or if he had to go the objectification/infantile route "hot chicks" or even "hot bitches" would have been a better choice.

[LanternWaste]

144. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

"where it was on the bill the part that distinguishes customers"

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Which off hand does nothing to either validate or deny the second scenario.

Odd that...

[arely staircase]

163. it validates, or is at least consistent, with the first

doesn't make it not boorish

the way he chose to distinguish these customers was crude and offensive

[anneboleyn]

167. Post hoc ergo 'propter' hoc? Sorry (I was confused). But agree w/your point

or did I miss a joke on "prompter"? Sorry, I have read through this entire thread, and I think I am suffering from eye-fatigue. I used to wait tables (long time ago -- in the 90s), and we would have been fired on the post for something like this, no doubt about it.

[jberryhill]

155. Because it strikes me as a simple act of unenlightened stupidity

And if you think I'm "defending" anyone by calling them "stupid", save it.

[Warren Stupidity]

156. I generally thought that "table 3" was sufficient.

I've never seen a bill with a description of the customers on it.

[jberryhill]

159. There was a story just like this a few months ago

The previous story was in connection with take-out orders, and this one appears to be a casino cocktail lounge / sports bar.

I've ended up stuck with tabs in places where people move around, mingle, and come and go, and have seen staff use descriptions to identify which combination of patrons correspond to which tabs.

But I'm surprised nobody has dug up the last go-round of pretty much the same story, which iirc involved some sort of racial characterization.

[mythology]

194. There have been a couple of these incidents in recent months

Some idiot at a pizza place wrote Lady Chinky Eyes and somebody at a Chick-fil-A wrote Ching and Chong on receipts.

I don't get the point of doing things like this on the side of the idiots who bother with using the inappropriate words. I would imagine most of the time it's not going to be seen, and if it is, you're going to get fired. Of course I'm trying to apply logic to idiots so that could be the flaw in thinking.

[jberryhill]

195. It's the internet effect

Today, in a country of hundreds of millions of people, some asshole did something really stupid. It's a social crisis is what it is.

[pnwmom]

9. Why do you want to know? n/t

[zappaman]

11. Curious. n/t

[JI7]

26. i want to know what the guy who did it looks like

[Iggo]

39. Why? Would that make it okay?

[zappaman]

45. see post #7 n/t

[dballance]

50. And that matters how to a decent society?

How exactly does it matter to the argument people in the restaurant were assholes by labeling them "Fat Girls" even if they were over weight?

I don't know about your background or heritage but at various times in our sordid US history we've discriminated against all sorts of people. Right from the start some colonies executed people who were not of the same religion or even just part of a different sect of Christianity as their colony. How would you have been treated?

I'd also find it equally offensive if I got a check with "Gay Boys" on it when I go out with all my gay friends. Even if that were accurate how would that make it acceptable?

The people in the restaurant were clearly being demeaning to the women.

[dballance]

111. Thanks! /eom

[tblue]

8. Dumb management! Why would they come back just to get an apology?

They should comp them a meal and treat them like queens. That's what you do if you want to demonstrate goodwill toward your customer base and neighbors. Who needs to eat at a stupid casino anyway?

They really hurt those people and, no, it's not funny when somebody's crying.

[Enrique]

10. good for them for speaking out

and going on TV. I'm sure they know this will subject themselves to rude comments from total fucking assholes everywhere, including DU. But they went out there anyway.

Hopefully that restaurant will pay a price for this, and businesses everywhere will try their best to make sure they don't hire assholes to deal with the public.

[SoCalDem]

12. Restaurant owners/bosses need to remind their servers that tables are NUMBERED

and that's ALL they need to enter when they need to identify them

[RiffRandell]

141. I know!

This has happened before with a Jewish couple, and an Asian couple. I waitressed in HS and college, and we had table numbers. Not excusing someone for being a stupid jerk, but WTF?

[kiva]

142. This ^

And if numbers are too hard, use letters.

[tblue]

14. On Yelp people are defending "Jeff" and calling the complainers "liberals"

http://www.yelp.com/biz/chilly-ds-sports-lounge-stockton

I have half a mind to write a review myself now.

[REP]

16. And if I were to say "that's the most fucking insane thing I've heard today"

... would that be encouragement seek much-needed mental health care?


<---- because I care

[smokey nj]

17. I love you for this, REP.

That was a truly disgusting response and you handled it well.

[obamanut2012]

63. REP is my straight girl crush for a reason

[smokey nj]

87. REP's a good egg!

[obamanut2012]

89. +1

[pintobean]

99. +1

[Nye Bevan]

18. Certainly, if I were labeled as "Bordlerline Psychotic/Schizophrenic" on a restaurant check,

based upon my behavior at the establishment, I would view this as an indication that I should probably be evaluated by a mental health professional.

[REP]

19. The use of "was," instead of the subjunctive ...

Oh my.

[Nye Bevan]

22. God, I am so embarrassed. Edited to fix. Thanks. (nt)

[REP]

41. Oh. I thought it had happened ... misunderstood your intent.

My mistake.

[11 Bravo]

34. The check made no comment on their behavior, it was their physical appearance that was referenced.

It's kind of pitiful that you can't make that distinction.

[Iggo]

46. What if they're labeling you...

...based on your behavior on a message board?

Would that incentivize you?

[LanternWaste]

56. I imagine many people took "Dr." Frist's diagnosis as valid, also.

I imagine many people took "Dr." Frist's diagnosis as valid, also.

[obamanut2012]

65. What behavior did these women exhibit?

Being overweight is a "behavior"?

[bigbrother05]

23. And if it said wrinkled, old ladies they would go to the plastic surgeon? nt

[Nye Bevan]

25. When I am that age I will wear my wrinkles with pride (nt).

[UnrepentantLiberal]

24. How libertarian of you.

[pintobean]

28. That may be okay in the UK

Here in the US, we don't see ridicule for physical appearance as incentive for anything. Well, maybe an ass-whoopin' for the person making the "joke".

[marmar]

33. "That may be okay in the UK"

Where did that come from?

[REP]

44. 'Bevan' alas is a Welsh name ...

Form of ap Evan.

[geardaddy]

77. Aneurin "Nye" Bevan

was a left-wing Labour pol, from the South Wales valleys.

[pintobean]

47. It was in the poster's profile

It's not there any more.

Eta - Here's a reference:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021283135#post15

[marmar]

48. Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

nt

[obamanut2012]

67. Interesting they took it out

I've noticed that in the past.

[pintobean]

73. I looked right before I posted that

and it was there. It was gone when I went back after I was asked about it.

[onpatrol98]

112. Definitely...

"Well, maybe an ass-whoopin' for the person making the "joke". "

There are those that would've taken that insult as a calling card for a later smack down. Bad humor can be dangerous for your health.

[Nye Bevan]

43. Sorry, how is referring to something as "hurtful" the same as "endorsing it"? (nt)

[REP]

132. Here is the post you deleted, as you seem to have trouble remembering what you wrote mere hours ago:

15. That would be somewhat hurtful.

Hopefully this incident will give them the incentive they need to start a healthy diet and exercise program.
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This improper use of the adverb "hopefully" is usually meant as "I hope," so yes, that does rather seem to be an endorsement, does it not?

[Brickbat]

38. Because yeah, hurting people is the best way to get them to take a good, hard look at themselves and

find the motivation to make a change. Ass.

[Nye Bevan]

42. I did not "endorse it". I believe the word I used was "hurtful".

If I ran a restaurant I would distinguish between parties strictly by table number.

[REP]

52. This seems to endorse it:

Hopefully(sic) this incident will give them the incentive they need to start a healthy diet and exercise program.

Your use of "hopefully," which I take to mean "I hope," implies endorsement.

[riderinthestorm]

49. You do know that the side effects of some drugs is weight gain right?

Like transplant meds or some meds for psychiatric conditions?

I'm not saying that this applies to these women but a blanket accusation that anyone who's fat is simply a lazy overeater is disgusting.

You don't know their health history and presuming that you do is ignorant.

[jackbenimble]

170. Thanks.

I take transplant meds and I can attest to the weight gain. I used to be rail thin and was treated nicely by most people I came into contact with. Now I am overweight and I am treated with disgust or am just plain ignored. I'm still the same person. Its a shame people are so shallow they can't see past the exterior.

[Coyotl]

180. I suggest the "server" be renamed for a few months

If it said "the jackass' it might help his tips go down

[Nye Bevan]

61. My intention was to express the hope that while this was a hurtful and regrettable incident,

some good might come of it if it incentivized the women to adopt healthier lifestyles. But clearly some DUers are interpreting my post as an endorsement of the restaurant's actions (which I did not intend), so I will self-delete.

[pintobean]

70. We know nothing about their lifestyles.

The problem is that you're making assumptions based on appearance.

[Nye Bevan]

81. Point taken (nt)

[geardaddy]

85. dal ati at balu

[REP]

124. I was thinking

"Cusanu y rhan dewaf o fy casgen" but my Welsh is terrible and I don't know the word for "ass."

[geardaddy]

186. "pen ôl"

neu "tîn"

[riderinthestorm]

90. How do you know they aren't pregnant? Being "fat" IS the "healthier lifestyle"

especially if you want a healthy baby you MUST gain 30 - 50 lbs.

You don't know anything about them or their physical condition.

[forestpath]

117. You showed your ass. You can't unshow it.

[REP]

122. Here is the post he deleted:

15. That would be somewhat hurtful.

Hopefully this incident will give them the incentive they need to start a healthy diet and exercise program.
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[Kalidurga]

21. 2/3 of Americans are overweight

I am starting to think this isn't just a problem that an individual develops on their own. I also strongly suspect that obesity is a symptom and not the underlying problem. I don't know what to do about it. But, it is really wrong to single out individuals that have health issues for ridicule.

[JI7]

29. what happened wouldn't be ok even if they just liked to eat a lot

even if it was affecting their health negatively.

[Kalidurga]

53. Yes that is true

I didn't mean to imply that if a person is overweight they always have health issues. But, in so many cases especially when a person is obese there are issues that led to that and there are issues that being obese makes worse. At least in my case, it turns out I had a nutritional deficiency if that makes any sense. I am correcting that problem. It will take years before I will be what I consider healthy.

[marmar]

27. There are some real jackass-ish responses to this OP.

Those responses, as well as the behavior of the employees of the bar, are indicative of stunted intellectual/emotional growth.

[TexasBushwhacker]

35. Well no tip for you DUMBASS

I'd ask for the manager and explain that I was offended and not paying the bill. PERIOD. What if the bill said "ugly girls" and they were in fact, ugly. Would that make it okay?

[liberal_at_heart]

152. not only an asshole thing to write but also bad business

I would definitely do what you suggested and complain to the manager. I would also tell the manager if they were not reprimanded in some way I would not frequent that establishment again.

[JI7]

36. they offered 25 percent off and then 50 percent off the meal ? how fucked up is that

the place really doesn't get customer service. and i'm one of those who believes customers can be assholes and they aren't always right.

they are trying to say it was a new employee but most places that involve customer service, especially food places would not have just offered 25 percent off when informed about what happened.

[Enrique]

40. I love that they are getting national attention for this

their first reaction is to chuckle when the ladies complained to them.

Then the ladies got to work and now the restaurant is like "oh shit!".

[yellowcanine]

54. The manager should have paid the bill and then fired Jeff on the spot.

And then deducted the bill from wages due to Jeff. That is what "no tolerance" means.

[slackmaster]

58. I agree. If I was that manager that's exactly what I would have done.

There are plenty of people looking for work. I'm sure that replacing Jeff would not have posed any problem.

[Nye Bevan]

66. Certain descriptions are just fine. "Mustache" for example would be no problem,

except in the case of a female diner. "Tall" is probably OK, "short" maybe not so much. But if you are a business who does not want to alienate any of your customers, the best thing is to just number the tables and refer to the parties by table number.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

75. "especially the ones who tend to place large orders"

You can't resist. Can you.

[Nye Bevan]

80. OK, point taken. I will edit accordingly. (nt)

[dmallind]

92. I can't imagine a $7.50 item and a single soda being "large" anywhere much better than Taco Bell nt

[Enrique]

68. Jeff?

is that you?

[demmiblue]

69. Or, they could simply refer to the table number. n/t

[surrealAmerican]

74. Why should any of those descriptions ...

... appear on the customer's receipt?

I understand why a waiter might like to have a description for their own convenience, but there is no reason for it to be shown to the customer.

[riderinthestorm]

76. Jayzus, disgusting assumptions. My sister's transplant meds are making her fat

without them she'd be dead.

"Shouldn't be fat"??? What the fuck!

You don't know ANYONE'S health history. Some drugs really do lead to significant weight gain. Some people have to get FAT before they can be healthy. Yet you want to ASSume you know these women are reacting like this because they're feeling guilty? How do you know one or two of them aren't pregnant?

You don't know shit about them and your attitude is the really shameful thing here.

[dmallind]

83. You assume a false dichotomy

In that you can either a) feel guilty about being fat or b) feel proud of being fat. In reality it's not only possible but the most healthy and mature option to be neither of the above.

The issue here is the societal context or loading of the term. US society typically uses "fat" as a pejorative. Whether I think being fat is wrong (I don't) is irrelevant to the fact that the majority of the people, mindless gullible consumers of the shallow Hollywood image that they are for the most part, do think so, and use the term for those who fail to follow the herd. There are few people indeed who use the term in a neutral or positive way, so it is an insult independent of my personal opinion of weight (which, FWIW, is that it is no more indicative of personal value or character attributes than eye color. But until "green eyed" is a common value for X in the sentence "stupid X white suburbanites", as "fat" is now, my opinion is not the one that determines which meaningless characteristic is insulting).

[frylock]

84. and if you don't want to be called a fucking asshole..

then don't post fucking assholish stuff on the internet, am I right?

[pintobean]

91. Yes, you are right.

[Speck Tater]

120. Yes. You are right. I don't mind being called that because sometimes it's accurate.

How can I take offense at the truth?

The truth may "set us free" in an ideal world, but mostly the truth just pisses us off.

I have chosen not to be pissed off by the truth. And yes, some times I AM a fucking asshole. I'm not necessarily proud of it, but I'm not offended by it either.

If you are offended it's not because another offended you. It's because you are offendable.

[HangOnKids]

162. You Can Put Your Righteous Indignation About Fat People Away

Because a jury has hidden your post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=746668

I am a skinny person by the way but your post got you a hide. How clever are you now for bashing folks?

[marmar]

86. That's some rather tortured logic to justify the inexcusable.

[loyalsister]

88. WTF??

Tall, red hair, wearing a blue shirt.... are neutral descriptions unless there is some bizarre negative association.
American culture absolutely does not understand "fat" as anything other than negative. I think that it would be pretty surprising if anyone didn't take offese at being called "fat."

[pintobean]

97. The other day, a 6 year old neighbor girl

laughed, pointed at my gut, and asked if I was pregnant. I laughed and said "no, I'm just fat".

If you ask me that question, you're going to get a totally different response. Maybe you need to grow up.

[treestar]

110. I don't know about that

Any degree of awareness in the US and you know that coming from someone else, it's an insult.

[obamanut2012]

93. And the video is funny why?

[former-republican]

103. The news reporter

[obamanut2012]

123. I don't see how the reporter was funny in the least

[JI7]

94. what's funny ?

[former-republican]

108. Watch the anchorman

He talks about a CHANNEL 3 exclusive or what ever the hell the channel is.
Then he starts like they just broke some child abduction case or murder.

News people make something out of nothing on a slow news day.

and I think it's funny , you don't?

[TreasonousBastard]

139. News people? Let's see how big this thread gets.

[BlueJazz]

72. Most people here have said what I would have said. Pretty damn shitty thing to do.

It's not nice to hurt other people.

[Posteritatis]

95. These threads always bring out the really classy crowd. (nt)

[GreenPartyVoter]

177. Don't they, though?

[liberalmuse]

96. Holy SHIT.

These comments. WOW.

[MADem]

98. Back in the dark ages, before computers and automated receipts, I used to wait on tables.

We had to physically write out the orders on pieces of paper and provide them to the chefs, who would then prepare the food for delivery to the customers. The chefs would return the pieces of paper to us with the cooked food. When the diners were finished, we had to add up all the items (in our heads) and put the subtotal on the bottom, figure out the tax, add all that together for a grand total and provide the paper to the customer. The customer would then figure out how much to tip us, and they'd leave that on the table while paying at the register. No one used credit cards back then (it was the real dark ages). Cash was king.

The way I kept track of who's who in the zoo on a pocketful of tabs was to write something called the TABLE NUMBER in the right hand corner of the tab.

I guess this whole "table number" concept is too hard for the "computer receipt" set to figure out?

It worked real well, though--I never had to write "Fat girls" or "Old guy" or "Obnoxious family with four kids with green snot coming out of their noses..." I never lost a tip because I had a need to personally insult a customer in order to remember who ordered the clams casino!

TABLE NUMBERS! What a concept!

[losangeleslibker]

101. They were

paying customers which is what the server should have only cared about. Who the fuck cares what a person looks like as long as they pay you. My brother is autistic and he goes out a lot. What if someone wrote retard on his receipt, it's the same fucked up concept.

[losangeleslibker]

106. He talks though.

But it's easy to tell he's autistic if you know about the syndrome. I admit that he's embarrassed me in public being that he's my older brother and all. He's 29 and I'm 22. People are all different so just live with it. That waiter should have figuratively shut his mouth.

[MADem]

153. "Table 2" would have worked....if the tables had numbers.

Or the "Number on a stick" thing I mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

The "issue" with the server is that he was having trouble keeping track of his customers. If he couldn't do it by table number, he should have invented a code to identify people--hair color or shirt color or what-have-you, using a code that made sense only to him.

Maybe he's in the wrong line of work. His customer service skills seem to be wanting.

[jberryhill]

113. This was a casino lounge

In some places, people have a tendency to get up, move around, re-group, have others meet them and move to a bigger table or better spot, etc.

[MADem]

151. Well, I can solve that problem, easily!

You give the diners a large number on a stick after you take their order. You tell them if they move, they need to bring their number on a stick with them.

This was common at a crowded and popular dining establishment I used to frequent in Italy. People would stream in late at night after hitting the clubs, and that sort of moving/regrouping happened all the time. The waiters would simply look for the correct number on the stick (the sticks were about three feet high with a base, and a big number on top of 'em) and slap the order down at that table.

[jberryhill]

154. Well too bad they didn't have you on staff

[MADem]

166. My waitering days were a half century ago, damn near!

That said, the owner of that joint should get a grip and repair the culture of that environment...anyone with a half-clue about leadership should have taught their staff not to insult the paying customers...it never ends well when that happens, and the tips stink, too!

[LWolf]

183. +1

[KansDem]

100. Just curious: Why does the ticket say "Fat Girls/1" and "Guests: 1"

...with three meals?

Does the "1" refer to "1 table" or perhaps the table number?

[justabob]

119. lazy waiter/bartender

Usually when you open a check, the computer prompts for number of guests. Often waiters just hit "enter" to get out of the screen quickly, rather than entering the right number. On edit: the Fat girls/1 part..... That would normally be where the table number is, so 42/1... table 42 check 1. If you ask for split checks you would get 42/1, 42/2, 42/3...

[KansDem]

184. Thanks!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

102. The explanation ticks me off. That is not how to keep the Bills strait.

When their server returned, the three girls questioned him about the "fat girls" label, but the waiter denied any wrongdoing, according to News 10. He said an employee named "Jeff," whose name appears on the receipt, must have typed "fat girls" into the system to keep track of their bill

My Dave has work around and in the food and beverage business for a long time. He says they have numbers for the tables. Each server knows what tables they have that night. All the servers know the table's #'s. It is part of their training when they first start. Using that on the checks for ID is not professional in the less!

[treestar]

107. Bad business move

If you own a restaurant or work in one, what's your problem with fat people?

[gollygee]

118. How can anyone here rationalize this?

No way.

There is no excuse for that kind of rudeness. Imagine if they had put whatever physical issue you're most sensitive about. "Bald guy" or "Acne face" or something. I mean, really. There is now way this is OK.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

129. Who says they don't/didn't?

They just got caught this time. It is totally unprofessional and and just plain mean.

[gollygee]

131. I'm asking people here who think this is OK or funny

to put themselves in the shoes of these women. Yes, they might have done it before, but that isn't my point.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

133. I am 260 pounds so I am in their shoes in a way.

I have been ridiculed all my life. My mother took me to doctors and tried to help with what I ate and exercised with me. Nothing seem to help.
This is in no way funny. It hurts. People who are heavy does not need it pointed out as this place did. The mirror does a great job of that.

[gollygee]

135. I don't understand why you're disagreeing with me

It sounds like we are in agreement. We must be talking past each other?

[Lady Freedom Returns]

136. I think we are too.

And I think I have been spending way to much time in meta. I am arguing with what I agree with!

[gollygee]

138. ROFL

[DonCoquixote]

125. funny if people got these recepits

They would be screaming bloody murder (warning, offensive stuff on recpeit)

http://consumerist.com/2008/02/20/home-depot-also-enjoys-printing-dirty-words-on-receipts/

[Kalidurga]

127. A pull down menu choice????

Tell me I didn't hear that in the report. How on earth would that be a choice on a pull down menu?

[muntrv]

145. Lemme guess: The restaurant cannot print the table number so they had no choice

but to print "fat girls."

[njcamden_25884]

147. some people are so clueless these days

[TheMadMonk]

157. Definitely a dickhead move on the part of "Jeff".

However, it may possibly be understandable if the women were highly obnoxious, or even only slightly obnoxious on top of a customer from hell before them.

It's not excusable. It is understandable.

As for why no table numbers. My guess would be the restraunt owner had some touchy feely idea about nobody, being a number. If so, he was a bloody fool for not issuing very clear and explicit instruction on what is and isn't acceptable as a table/customer identifier. Alternately "Jeff" was not a new employee and this was his way of resigning in a manner intended to harm his employer.

[ohheckyeah]

169. I don't think it's understandable under any circumstances. n/t

[TheMadMonk]

171. So in your book patrons abusing servers is acceptable?

Or at least, no matter what provocation those patrons offer, the server has no choice but to accept it?

Like I said, it's not excusable, but if he'd just been given a faceful of abuse, it's understandable why he might not be thinking straight and do something stupid in response.

[ohheckyeah]

172. Of course not...

and I never suggested it was acceptable.

There are ways to deal with the abusive patron without resorting to calling someone else fat. You have no knowledge to suggest the 3 women were being obnoxious or the server had dealt with anyone obnoxious. Regardless, writing "fat girls" on the check was not acceptable, understandable or reasonable. It was childish, mean, hateful and judgmental.

You can look for excuses for the server all you want but I don't care to.

[TheMadMonk]

185. AND I have had it up to here with agenda blinded IDIOTS who can't or won't...

...accept that EXCUSE AND EXPLAIN are NOT the same fucking thing.

No I have no knowledge of what actually caused Jeff to write what he did. However, bad customer behaviour is generally the most likely reason for a server to act up.

Yes there are ways of dealing with abusive patrons, IF your boss is willing to back you up, but given what a cheap bastard his boss was in response to the customer complaint, I suspect the only two acceptable to to that boss might be "Suck it up, or fuck off."

[ohheckyeah]

188. Why are you arguing about bad patrons

when there is no indication there was a bad patron.

[TheMadMonk]

190. AND why are you DELIBERATELY MISREPRESENTING my words?

oh yeah, that would agenda blindness.

I raised bad patron behaviour as a POSSIBLE REASON for Jeffs actions, I at NO TIME excused those actions, which twice now you have accused me of doing.

[ohheckyeah]

192. You said it was understandable...

I said I didn't find it understandable. No agenda.

Bye! Have a nice life.

[alp227]

161. How about this? From now on when Jeff goes out to eat his receipts are labeled "bigot".

Or he has to wear "I'm bigoted against fat people" on his name tag.

[flvegan]

164. Lets see a pic of "Jeff" please.

Then, and only then, can we pick him apart appropriately. And then he can apologize for being a shit. And if not...

And then he can be fired. And if he isn't, that shop should never be visited again.

[aandegoons]

174. If Jeff was working for me he would have to look at his pay check to see.

Unemployed instead of his name.

[eridani]

175. I'd have paid with small bills and as much change as I had on hand--no tip n/t

[liberal N proud]

176. A dumb business move

Ignorance!

[In_The_Wind]

178. Obviously the server wasn't thinking.

He needs a lesson on what is acceptable to be written a guest check.
[img][/img] Ignorance is not an excuse for being rude.

[Mr Dixon]

179. SAD

Not an expert here but I’m pretty sure that this is not good for business.

[RandiFan1290]

181. If it said 'Fat Boys'

No one would have ran this story.

[raccoon]

182. Females being overweight is an unforgiveable sin in our society.

Therefore, many insensitive, rude, self-centered people think it's their divine right to comment on it.