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(45,096 posts)it was wonderful.
tilsammans
(2,549 posts)For those of us who couldn't tune in. Thanks!
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)It was really beautiful. And the audience was completely silent. That was amazing.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)There was sobbing in the background
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Gods bless those heartbroken people. And may this country -- especially the Congress -- finally finally do something intelligent about this evil.
Hekate
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)skeewee08
(1,983 posts)K&R
Siwsan
(26,263 posts)That was an amazing speech. You could tell it came straight from his heart.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Laochtine
(394 posts)but couldn't god have called the nut case home before he killed everyone else.
Or should we realize that we as humans must take care of the disturbed ones and protect everyone
around us, that our welfare depends on everyone caring for each other and not be selfish.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)the reason he turned the gun on others is because he externalized his hopeless, helpless feelings and took that hostility out on the people around him and his mother ...
Laochtine
(394 posts)And hope reforms are brought to both guns and mental heath. The social contract IMO is a lot deeper than a religion.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Laochtine
(394 posts)trumps the executed? Is your god even needed in this equation? Do prayers effect freewill, if not why pray. Your god seems
very sadistic, feeding on the hope that will never be.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)What about his car breaking down on the way to school? Or the gun not firing? etc. Supposedly god does such things all the time.
roody
(10,849 posts)them up with god talk since we are going to have some meaningful gun control.
Laochtine
(394 posts)Iron chariots
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I resent being asked to pray to this idea of a god who is supposed to be powerful enough to "give strength" to the hundreds of people affected by this man but who lacked either the ability or the compassion to take strength away from the shooter.
And I'm mad that people think that by praying they have done something productive to help the situation.
zuzu98
(450 posts)It is exactly how I feel but have been unable to articulate.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)is all part of "god's plan" and delusional people are just supposed to accept that.
How sickening. And even worse that the president would say it. But half of his speech was a handjob for the religious right and the teabaggers.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:58 PM - Edit history (1)
some of us have what we have worked very hard to acquire over millions of years .... we call them emotions ....
and anyway, who said it was "God's plan" YOU DID
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)that I have none in this case, sorry..fail. And if there's any simple-mindedness apparent, it's yours.
Now would you care to discuss facts, or just emote and think that addresses and solves everything?
mac56
(17,569 posts)MindMover
(5,016 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)the victims of this tragedy. Sometimes we need to take a few minutes to step away from the policy debates that inevitably surround an event like this and mourn the lives lost.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)How would YOU have spoken to the people of this community tonight?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)have blamed god for what happened. Or invoked him at every conceivable opportunity. But I suppose Obama had no choice. No politician can function in public in this country without making regular homage to the almighty of the Bible, and it would be political suicide to stand up there and wonder why any god worth worshipping, any god as kind and loving and merciful as the one Obama purported to be be talking about, would have inflicted such grief and suffering, or allowed it to occur.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)But your agenda can wait a few days.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I found myself pretty disturbed by most of the event.
And some of it almost seemed cult-like in the 'chant-response' aspects.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)but apparently we are in the minority.
roody
(10,849 posts)bs after a couple of mentions. God did not kill the kids.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)is a truly compassionate and courageous man. He gave an amazing speech and demonstrated the courage to do something to prevent future carnage.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)that is all.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...with the courage to do what's right for children. I am so grateful he is taking on the violence issue...and the NRA. Teachers at Sandy Hook School showed great courage. How could the rest of us do any less? Thank you, President Obama!
GoldenOldie
(1,540 posts)I am truly thankful that my two daughters had the caring input and love of the grandparents, aunts, uncles, family friends, neighbors. With all of their support and caring of my children, and yes, telling them when their actions were unacceptable, they have grown into adulthood, with a deep compassion and interest in others who may be different than themselves. This has only come about, from knowing all those they encountered that were different from their parents. For us as their parents, we welcomed and truly listened to all of their input on their understanding of our children. Each and everyone of them who helped in the growth of our daughters has left an indelible imprints in the hearts of our children. As a parent I feel blessed for now my adult children have grandchildren of their own, it has all passed down. I have learned through my childhood and my children's, that the more opportunities you give to your children to learn about individual personalities, religions, etc., the more your children will learn to understand, and appreciate the differences.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...stated. My sentiments exactly. It DOES 'Take a Village.'
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)He won't be taking on anything. If he could, ask yourself why he waited until the fourth slaughter under his administration to do so.
mac56
(17,569 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Big shooting incident, lots of people dead, media feeding frenzy, all of the pre-programmed reactions from the grief industry, endless hand-wringing by pundits and politicians, endless posts here with all variations on "this insanity must stop" and "we have to stand up to the gun nuts", etc., and then after a few weeks, everyone's attention shifts back to American Idol, or Dancing With the Stars or whatever.
Expect nothing different this time. Really.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...this time. Sorry you have lost hope. I have NOT.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)but that doesn't change the fact that he's acting out of political expediency and convenience rather than personal courage. As pointed out, if it were the latter, he would have acted after the first slaughter, not the fourth. It also doesn't change the fact that there is no long-term political traction for the type of gun restrictions that would make any difference, and no long-term concern by the pop-culture addled public. In a few months, we'll be back to the status quo. Maybe a little more hot air in Congress first, but no meaningful changes.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...a very smart politician. In 2009, after the first shooting on his watch, I think he made a call (as PRESIDENT) that the economic crisis /health care costs took precedence over confronting the NRA. He put the economy first, probably because the politician in him saw that confronting the NRA and 2nd Amendment issues at that time would ruin the chance to stabilize our economy.
That fight was tough. I think he made the correct call.
Now, since the other crises have occurred and the debate has had time (sadly) to grow, the politics is right...risky, dangerous and challenging...but right.
I believe the President has always known what was right to fix this issue...but that he wants to be sure the effort will succeed. The sad thing about what happened at Newtown is that the overwhelming sadness of the country about what happened is EXACTLY what will propel us to legislative success. JMHO. I think the President demonstrates great courage in doing this.
HOPE, skeptiscott...
bluemarkers
(536 posts)said it was too political....
Gawd
GoldenOldie
(1,540 posts)How sad, they have closed minds and hearts. They had already decided that no matter what Obama said, they would find it "political." Or, to the point, he is a Black man, a "liberal," and unworthy of their acceptance. In other words, they are total fools.......they only are capable of accepting words of the Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reillys.....who are only out to fill their pockets and could care less about anyone other than themselves and use the "fools," who buy into the "it's to political."
bluemarkers
(536 posts)told me I was a fool for voting for Obama. Hate the ACA blah blah blah
They are the one who are foolish, because their hatred has blinded them.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)A little bit sorry anyway.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...so. RW uses that as an excuse to not fix the problem. It works for them...and the NRA. President Obama is taking huge risks by doing this. I think he is choosing courage, and I completely support him.
Joe the Progressive
(13 posts)The President excels in these situations, which unfortunately he has had to do too many times. I clouded up when he read the children's names.
Sleep in heavenly peace little ones.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, proud2BlibKansan.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I sat in awe; I could not move. He expressed every thought and feeling the sensitive among us have been feeling. Thank you, Mr. President, thank you.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...
Hekate
(90,708 posts)It was extremely hard and extremely gutsy
It was like watching someone walk a tightrope with no safety net. I say it again: God bless the man.
We better have his back tomorrow and all the tomorrows, because there are those who will be gunning for him in every sense of the word.
Hekate
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)Neutrino_603
(33 posts)kick...
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I think he may have read this piece from the NY Times. And picked up a theme of responsibility... personal, community, and national responsibility to the children in this country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/opinion/why-we-let-the-school-shootings-continue.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
Ending with this..
"More horrible still to me at least is the inevitable lament, How could we have let this happen?
It is a horrible question because the answer is so simple. Make it easy for people to get guns and things like this will happen.
Children will continue to pay for a freedom their elders enjoy."
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)This was a very effective call for action.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Except for the nonsensical god stuff and pandering to the religious, it was exactly what was needed.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)I am and have been a big supporter of the President. But we need him to use all the power of his office to bring about rational policy on gun ownership and mental health care.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)Was he channeling Rev. Wright?
His "God has called them home" was about as outrageous as it gets. Really?? The parents and families of these slaughtered children are supposed to believe this was God's will? God called them home at the hands of a deranged person who shot each child at least three times in the head? One child was shot ELEVEN times.
????
This is beyond astonishing to me.
VERY poor choice of words.