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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf it were possible to simply outlaw guns, would you?
Simple question. No 2nd admendment. No problem getting passed congress. If you could simple outlaw guns and make being in possession of a gun a felony, would you?
This would mean any gun held by any private person.
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flvegan
(64,408 posts)Be very specific.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)flvegan
(64,408 posts)You just proved a point I'm not ready to make yet, considering.
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rl6214
(8,142 posts)Semi autos on the other hand are used
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PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Anyway, semi-auto rifles are "ordinary" rifles and have been used in hunting for over 100 years.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)A ban is a ban.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)flvegan
(64,408 posts)This is so tongue-in-cheek, my face may burst.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)The right to keep....and protect.... THE MAN CARD
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)in a heartbeat.
which too many guns have silenced
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Berserker
(3,419 posts)And will protect my rights until my death.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)thucythucy
(8,067 posts)spanone
(135,843 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Anything is possible. I don't see it as all that practical.
TygrBright
(20,760 posts)doc03
(35,344 posts)limit the ammo capacity to 6. I would also require all guns transfered or sold to be registered, fingerprints taken and a background check on every buyer starting as of today.
axetogrind
(118 posts)But there should be restrictions.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)No question.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)Semiautomatics, yep. Huge clips, oh, that should be first. Handguns, maybe.
However a lot of this country is still pretty wild. Folks who live in the sticks need their long guns.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)Guns would still be available in a black market. See: everything ever made outright illegal. A war on drugs doesn't work, how would a war on guns?
What we need to do to solve gun violence is: 1.) Keep certain weapons that are especially deadly and have no place for hunting or protection purposes off the shelves. Will that make the guns disappear? No. But it will make it harder for someone in an unhealthy state of being from finding them and would make possession of one of these weapons very risky (ie, heavy jail time, not a slap on the wrist like so many of our current gun laws.).
2.) Invest in mental health care again. Far too many people who need help don't get it because it's either not available or ridiculously expensive.
3.) Invest in education. Much of the nation's gun violence is related to gangs or a gang mentality in our inner cities. Because education is not an emphasis anymore in most inner cities, the gang life is seen as the only way to succeed for many of our youth. Giving them an opportunity to succeed through education would eradicate much of the problems of our inner cities.
4.) Make possession of illegal guns/weapons and the use of gun violence severely punishable if caught. Right now, more often than not, possession of an illegal weapon results in a slap on the wrist more than anything. Pro-gun advocates like to point out that many nations, including Israel and Switzerland, have lower gun-related crime rates despite having higher rates of gun possession per capita. They ignore, however, their extremely strict gun laws that make gun violence severely punishable, resulting in years and years in prison. The U.S. needs laws like those, and it wouldn't hurt to heavily tax bullets, either.
Gun violence will never disappear, and neither will guns. ^These steps would help, though.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I think sometimes and I respect the position that advocates of complete gun bans invisions you and I, not the gangs in LA, Chicago, New York, Miama, heck anywhere, the police can't even go up against them, who is going to go knock on their doors and ask them to hand their guns over?
disclaimer. I am not a gun owner but I like to think I am armed with some common sense.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)I wouldn't.
Even if you pass the law, there are too many guns in the county. It becomes a huge black market, with much of the county protecting that black market. The gun culture is real and many think that it is a right. The law would be subverted and done so in dangerous way.
If the question was, if I had magic, would I wake all weapons in the world disappear? Absolutely.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)a good description of exactly the situation that currently exists? What would be the big change?
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)But I think it will be marginal improvement... But marginal improvements might be the difference between 10 people dying and 20 people next time, so I will take it
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)The guns for the next massacre are already in the hands that will take them there, most likely. And the ones for the next few after that. The changes we start now will most likely have little effect in the short term. Its down the road that it will start to show. Its time to start thinking in generational terms on how to solve this, I think.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)And of some hopeful note it isn't as fad as it seems. These mass killings are happing. But in all, the murder rate is as low as its been since the 1960s.
That said, if there was a case of one case overriding overall trends, this is it.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Perhaps during hunting season guns could be rented and returned after the season. Although I despise hunting, but if it's for survival then so be it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Lightbulb_on
(315 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)ComplimentarySwine
(515 posts)I think that banning guns would mean that the weak would then be at the mercy of the strong. If a 300 lb. man attacks my wife, I want her to have the option of defending herself, and a gun seems to go a long way towards equalizing that fight.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Not all guns, anyway. Assault weapons, yes. There should be certain restrictions on other guns.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Because there is the odd person who actually does need a gun for protection. In RenieWorld I would restrict gun ownership severely. Fuck hunters. Seriously. Who enjoys killing stuff?? Exactly the kind of person you DON'T want to have a gun, that's who. And fuck the average Joe Schmoe with a tiny penis who needs a big gun to feel better about himself and the accountant who has a gun for 'protection' and all the other variations of gun nut out there.
But for the odd person who actually NEEDS a gun, guns should be available. Though severely regulated.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Immediately destroy every gun that falls within the hands of police. Stiff penaltys for those that manufacture and/or distribute them.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)intheflow
(28,476 posts)Simple rifles and six-shooter pistols I'm okay with. I would shoot a rattlesnake on my property, no problem, that's by far the safest way to engage a rattlesnake. But something that shoots hundreds of rounds a minute? No fucking reason in the world for a civilian to have that - nor even a soldier/police officer/national guardsman outside of an active war zone.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)and make every firearm on the planet vanish, yes, I would.
but I wouldn't cry if they were
sasha031
(6,700 posts)Piers Morgan mentioned there was a similar tragedy in Scotland
not nearly as many children. They turned in all their hand guns, they didn't even have assault weapons.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The net result is that a violation nets you the kind of jail-time that even the yakuza won't carry them.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)No need for them.
Flabbergasted
(7,826 posts)Kennah
(14,273 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)Odds are...ain't gonna happen.
What people are interested in when they could have anything they want and what they will reasonably settle for are two different things.
Kennah
(14,273 posts)... but a strong desire to ban makes even reasonable measures difficult to pursue.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Any other questions?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Even leaving aside the overwhelming likelihood that aggressive enforcement would lead to the violent dissolution of our society, I don't like the idea of having to rely on far less effective means of self defense. I'm a small person, a 110lb female. There is no "tool" better than a firearm by which I can overcome the size and strength discrepancy between me and the statistically-likely attacker (a relatively young, fit male).
Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)Didn't work with alcohol, isn't working with drugs, won't work with guns.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)A single shot rifle with reload taking significant time. This type of weapon for hunting only.
Nt.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Ban large clips/magazines. If you can't do your target in with a few rounds, you need to stay at the shooting range longer. No way do you need a drum to go hunting for anything humans.
There is no need for hunting rifles to resemble military issue. None. That alone will cut down on the masochism.
Maybe color any military looking weapon in bright Pink camouflage. That would also cut down on the masochism.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)if you mean declaring a dictatorship & removing people's guns, then no.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)You can hunt, fish and protect yourself without guns. Repeal 2nd Amendment and ban all weapons of any kind. Period.
BrentWil
(2,384 posts)Fund are a great equalizer
Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)Should be ban all knives?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)But in an ideal world (i.e., heaven), yes, there would be no guns.
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)Response to BrentWil (Original post)
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)The latter, probably. The first, no.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)My thinking is, if I could be sure of making them all go away it would be worth it; if an action could make everyone on equal terms. But I'm afraid I'd need a wand for that one.
spanone
(135,843 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I have a bias against outlawing things, and I would want more data before doing so.
KarenS
(4,079 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)problem. And then see where we went from there. Of course, that's impractical. And if guns were outlawed totally, it would be like the war on drugs. The black market would grow and grow. We need to address why we have such a problem with guns in this culture. There is a far larger problem than guns going on IMO. And gun violence is a symptom of this underlying problem. That said, I'm not a gun fan, I would just as soon see them gone, but I question the practicality of that and if it's a really solution or just a ban-aid on an unchecked cancer growing in this culture.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
RegieRocker
(4,226 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)I prefer to not leave self defense to being nothing more than a contest of strength between victims and attackers.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)A single hunting rifle, non-semi automatic, per owner would be fine in rural areas. No guns allowed in cities. It can't happen though. Gun reform will have to revolve around compromises to curb the worst excesses of proliferation.
Knee jerk reaction
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)The Time is Now
(86 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)You GRAB GUNS or PROTECT RIGHTS.
None of that namby-pamby middle ground kind of stuff.
And then they cry about how nobody wants to have a "reasonable discussion."
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Ummm, Hell NO.