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BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:06 PM Dec 2012

If it were possible to simply outlaw guns, would you?

Simple question. No 2nd admendment. No problem getting passed congress. If you could simple outlaw guns and make being in possession of a gun a felony, would you?

This would mean any gun held by any private person.

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If it were possible to simply outlaw guns, would you? (Original Post) BrentWil Dec 2012 OP
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Why is hunting okay? flvegan Dec 2012 #11
Because he eats meat? (shrug) galileoreloaded Dec 2012 #43
Thanks. flvegan Dec 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #69
No one is using automatics for hunting rl6214 Dec 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #98
Then why do police and government agent need them? PavePusher Dec 2012 #106
Nope, shouldn't be allowed for hunting then obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #101
100% yes n/t FreeState Dec 2012 #2
No. What of our precious hunting rights? flvegan Dec 2012 #3
No Kaleva Dec 2012 #4
No. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #5
Yes nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #6
Yes we can do it Dec 2012 #7
No. darkangel218 Dec 2012 #8
No Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9
No. But I would outlaw the gun scum from DU. ellisonz Dec 2012 #10
And I would outlaw anyone wanting to restrict the rights of others rl6214 Dec 2012 #95
Wow! A Brave Stand Indeed! Pholus Dec 2012 #105
yes SoonerPride Dec 2012 #12
Yep Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #13
No RB TexLa Dec 2012 #14
Yes. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #15
Absolutely. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #16
NEVER Berserker Dec 2012 #17
And how many innocent children have to die so you can pretend to have this "right"? baldguy Dec 2012 #24
You can post as many pictures as you want, it's still a right rl6214 Dec 2012 #97
It's not YOUR death I'm worried about. thucythucy Dec 2012 #33
oh, the irony. spanone Dec 2012 #79
Very few, if any countries outlaw all guns outright Major Nikon Dec 2012 #18
No. n/t TygrBright Dec 2012 #19
No. If I was King I would ban all semi-automatic weopons and doc03 Dec 2012 #20
No. axetogrind Dec 2012 #21
Absolutly. baldguy Dec 2012 #22
Yes. n/t Laurian Dec 2012 #23
I think if you outlaw handguns - this would be a step in the right direction... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #25
Uh, nope Warpy Dec 2012 #26
No. boxman15 Dec 2012 #27
Agree!!! Well thought out and well said!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #56
Agree on all points Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #73
Would you? geckosfeet Dec 2012 #28
No. BrentWil Dec 2012 #32
Isnt that quakerboy Dec 2012 #74
I am for further regulation of the current system... BrentWil Dec 2012 #85
It wont be next time quakerboy Dec 2012 #91
I agree with that BrentWil Dec 2012 #100
I would if I could Politicalboi Dec 2012 #29
Handguns, yes. Long arms, no. jeff47 Dec 2012 #30
Yes cantbeserious Dec 2012 #31
Nope Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #34
no n/t riverwalker Dec 2012 #35
No, I don't think so. ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #36
No. Terra Alta Dec 2012 #37
Ye...No. renie408 Dec 2012 #38
It must be done mick063 Dec 2012 #39
No. n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #40
No. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #41
yes Dems to Win Dec 2012 #42
No. Just automatic and semi-automatic guns. intheflow Dec 2012 #44
If I could wave a magic wand Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #45
no WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #46
absolutely sasha031 Dec 2012 #47
No, but I want Japan's gun-control laws. Chan790 Dec 2012 #48
Yes. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #49
Absolutely not. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #51
Tell me again that no one is interested in banning all guns. Kennah Dec 2012 #52
Be afraid! Grab you gun and hide it! morningfog Dec 2012 #55
I am also interested in banning all new shows on TLC. renie408 Dec 2012 #63
I agree there is a difference between the two ... Kennah Dec 2012 #75
No, because in the big picture it would simply exacerbate the initial problem. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #53
No. Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #54
Absolutely not. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #57
No. Llewlladdwr Dec 2012 #58
Yes though I would prefer legislation that allowed musket type weapons for hunting... jimlup Dec 2012 #59
No. frank380 Dec 2012 #60
No. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #61
You mean the bad guys don't have them? Not even smuggled them in? Not possible. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #62
Ban any weapon that can be made into auto fire, including using pump stocks. RC Dec 2012 #64
yes. if by simple you mean it wasn't in any way referenced in the constitution La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #65
NO. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #66
Yes ... guns have zero place in society and serve zero purpose except to kill or mame ... ThePhilosopher04 Dec 2012 #67
You can't protect yourself as well.. BrentWil Dec 2012 #68
Ban all weapons of any kind? Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #70
What might work in heaven doesn't always work here on earth. reformist2 Dec 2012 #71
In a heart beat. And no armed police, please. idwiyo Dec 2012 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #76
Depends. Do you mean "outlaw" or do you mean "actually get rid of"? Recursion Dec 2012 #77
Good distinction. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #88
yes. spanone Dec 2012 #78
I would be tempted, but as of now, I wouldn't ban guns. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #80
Yes. n/t KarenS Dec 2012 #81
Nnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #82
If I were to have that much power, I would first outlaw the people that make guns a RKP5637 Dec 2012 #83
No. nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #84
No RegieRocker Dec 2012 #86
In a heartbeat. forestpath Dec 2012 #87
No. Marinedem Dec 2012 #89
mainly BainsBane Dec 2012 #90
No rl6214 Dec 2012 #92
Yes! Paper Roses Dec 2012 #93
No doubt about it madokie Dec 2012 #96
YES n/t The Time is Now Dec 2012 #99
Nope obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #102
Why I love gunloons is their absolutism. Black and white EVERYTHING. Pholus Dec 2012 #103
Anything that shot more than three rounds at a time, yes. nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #104
Prohibition III? Beacuse Prohibition I & II have worked out so well? PavePusher Dec 2012 #107
No. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #108

Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Response to flvegan (Reply #11)

Response to rl6214 (Reply #94)

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
106. Then why do police and government agent need them?
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:29 PM
Dec 2012

Anyway, semi-auto rifles are "ordinary" rifles and have been used in hunting for over 100 years.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
18. Very few, if any countries outlaw all guns outright
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

Anything is possible. I don't see it as all that practical.

doc03

(35,344 posts)
20. No. If I was King I would ban all semi-automatic weopons and
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:15 PM
Dec 2012

limit the ammo capacity to 6. I would also require all guns transfered or sold to be registered, fingerprints taken and a background check on every buyer starting as of today.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
26. Uh, nope
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 PM
Dec 2012

Semiautomatics, yep. Huge clips, oh, that should be first. Handguns, maybe.

However a lot of this country is still pretty wild. Folks who live in the sticks need their long guns.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
27. No.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:20 PM
Dec 2012

Guns would still be available in a black market. See: everything ever made outright illegal. A war on drugs doesn't work, how would a war on guns?

What we need to do to solve gun violence is: 1.) Keep certain weapons that are especially deadly and have no place for hunting or protection purposes off the shelves. Will that make the guns disappear? No. But it will make it harder for someone in an unhealthy state of being from finding them and would make possession of one of these weapons very risky (ie, heavy jail time, not a slap on the wrist like so many of our current gun laws.).

2.) Invest in mental health care again. Far too many people who need help don't get it because it's either not available or ridiculously expensive.

3.) Invest in education. Much of the nation's gun violence is related to gangs or a gang mentality in our inner cities. Because education is not an emphasis anymore in most inner cities, the gang life is seen as the only way to succeed for many of our youth. Giving them an opportunity to succeed through education would eradicate much of the problems of our inner cities.

4.) Make possession of illegal guns/weapons and the use of gun violence severely punishable if caught. Right now, more often than not, possession of an illegal weapon results in a slap on the wrist more than anything. Pro-gun advocates like to point out that many nations, including Israel and Switzerland, have lower gun-related crime rates despite having higher rates of gun possession per capita. They ignore, however, their extremely strict gun laws that make gun violence severely punishable, resulting in years and years in prison. The U.S. needs laws like those, and it wouldn't hurt to heavily tax bullets, either.

Gun violence will never disappear, and neither will guns. ^These steps would help, though.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
73. Agree on all points
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

I think sometimes and I respect the position that advocates of complete gun bans invisions you and I, not the gangs in LA, Chicago, New York, Miama, heck anywhere, the police can't even go up against them, who is going to go knock on their doors and ask them to hand their guns over?

disclaimer. I am not a gun owner but I like to think I am armed with some common sense.

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
32. No.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 PM
Dec 2012

Even if you pass the law, there are too many guns in the county. It becomes a huge black market, with much of the county protecting that black market. The gun culture is real and many think that it is a right. The law would be subverted and done so in dangerous way.

If the question was, if I had magic, would I wake all weapons in the world disappear? Absolutely.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
74. Isnt that
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:07 PM
Dec 2012

a good description of exactly the situation that currently exists? What would be the big change?

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
85. I am for further regulation of the current system...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:56 PM
Dec 2012

But I think it will be marginal improvement... But marginal improvements might be the difference between 10 people dying and 20 people next time, so I will take it

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
91. It wont be next time
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:32 AM
Dec 2012

The guns for the next massacre are already in the hands that will take them there, most likely. And the ones for the next few after that. The changes we start now will most likely have little effect in the short term. Its down the road that it will start to show. Its time to start thinking in generational terms on how to solve this, I think.

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
100. I agree with that
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:03 AM
Dec 2012

And of some hopeful note it isn't as fad as it seems. These mass killings are happing. But in all, the murder rate is as low as its been since the 1960s.

That said, if there was a case of one case overriding overall trends, this is it.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. I would if I could
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:25 PM
Dec 2012

Perhaps during hunting season guns could be rented and returned after the season. Although I despise hunting, but if it's for survival then so be it.

 

ComplimentarySwine

(515 posts)
36. No, I don't think so.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:32 PM
Dec 2012

I think that banning guns would mean that the weak would then be at the mercy of the strong. If a 300 lb. man attacks my wife, I want her to have the option of defending herself, and a gun seems to go a long way towards equalizing that fight.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
38. Ye...No.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:34 PM
Dec 2012

Because there is the odd person who actually does need a gun for protection. In RenieWorld I would restrict gun ownership severely. Fuck hunters. Seriously. Who enjoys killing stuff?? Exactly the kind of person you DON'T want to have a gun, that's who. And fuck the average Joe Schmoe with a tiny penis who needs a big gun to feel better about himself and the accountant who has a gun for 'protection' and all the other variations of gun nut out there.

But for the odd person who actually NEEDS a gun, guns should be available. Though severely regulated.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
39. It must be done
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:43 PM
Dec 2012

Immediately destroy every gun that falls within the hands of police. Stiff penaltys for those that manufacture and/or distribute them.

intheflow

(28,476 posts)
44. No. Just automatic and semi-automatic guns.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:02 AM
Dec 2012

Simple rifles and six-shooter pistols I'm okay with. I would shoot a rattlesnake on my property, no problem, that's by far the safest way to engage a rattlesnake. But something that shoots hundreds of rounds a minute? No fucking reason in the world for a civilian to have that - nor even a soldier/police officer/national guardsman outside of an active war zone.

sasha031

(6,700 posts)
47. absolutely
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:07 AM
Dec 2012

Piers Morgan mentioned there was a similar tragedy in Scotland
not nearly as many children. They turned in all their hand guns, they didn't even have assault weapons.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
48. No, but I want Japan's gun-control laws.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:11 AM
Dec 2012

The net result is that a violation nets you the kind of jail-time that even the yakuza won't carry them.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
63. I am also interested in banning all new shows on TLC.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:22 AM
Dec 2012

Odds are...ain't gonna happen.

What people are interested in when they could have anything they want and what they will reasonably settle for are two different things.

Kennah

(14,273 posts)
75. I agree there is a difference between the two ...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:39 PM
Dec 2012

... but a strong desire to ban makes even reasonable measures difficult to pursue.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
57. Absolutely not.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:09 AM
Dec 2012

Even leaving aside the overwhelming likelihood that aggressive enforcement would lead to the violent dissolution of our society, I don't like the idea of having to rely on far less effective means of self defense. I'm a small person, a 110lb female. There is no "tool" better than a firearm by which I can overcome the size and strength discrepancy between me and the statistically-likely attacker (a relatively young, fit male).

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
59. Yes though I would prefer legislation that allowed musket type weapons for hunting...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:19 AM
Dec 2012

A single shot rifle with reload taking significant time. This type of weapon for hunting only.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
64. Ban any weapon that can be made into auto fire, including using pump stocks.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:25 AM
Dec 2012

Ban large clips/magazines. If you can't do your target in with a few rounds, you need to stay at the shooting range longer. No way do you need a drum to go hunting for anything humans.

There is no need for hunting rifles to resemble military issue. None. That alone will cut down on the masochism.
Maybe color any military looking weapon in bright Pink camouflage. That would also cut down on the masochism.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
65. yes. if by simple you mean it wasn't in any way referenced in the constitution
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:26 AM
Dec 2012

if you mean declaring a dictatorship & removing people's guns, then no.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
67. Yes ... guns have zero place in society and serve zero purpose except to kill or mame ...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:43 AM
Dec 2012

You can hunt, fish and protect yourself without guns. Repeal 2nd Amendment and ban all weapons of any kind. Period.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
71. What might work in heaven doesn't always work here on earth.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:13 AM
Dec 2012

But in an ideal world (i.e., heaven), yes, there would be no guns.

Response to BrentWil (Original post)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
77. Depends. Do you mean "outlaw" or do you mean "actually get rid of"?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dec 2012

The latter, probably. The first, no.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
88. Good distinction.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 AM
Dec 2012

My thinking is, if I could be sure of making them all go away it would be worth it; if an action could make everyone on equal terms. But I'm afraid I'd need a wand for that one.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
80. I would be tempted, but as of now, I wouldn't ban guns.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:44 PM
Dec 2012

I have a bias against outlawing things, and I would want more data before doing so.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
83. If I were to have that much power, I would first outlaw the people that make guns a
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:54 PM
Dec 2012

problem. And then see where we went from there. Of course, that's impractical. And if guns were outlawed totally, it would be like the war on drugs. The black market would grow and grow. We need to address why we have such a problem with guns in this culture. There is a far larger problem than guns going on IMO. And gun violence is a symptom of this underlying problem. That said, I'm not a gun fan, I would just as soon see them gone, but I question the practicality of that and if it's a really solution or just a ban-aid on an unchecked cancer growing in this culture.



 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
89. No.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
Dec 2012

I prefer to not leave self defense to being nothing more than a contest of strength between victims and attackers.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
90. mainly
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:11 AM
Dec 2012

A single hunting rifle, non-semi automatic, per owner would be fine in rural areas. No guns allowed in cities. It can't happen though. Gun reform will have to revolve around compromises to curb the worst excesses of proliferation.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
103. Why I love gunloons is their absolutism. Black and white EVERYTHING.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:18 AM
Dec 2012

You GRAB GUNS or PROTECT RIGHTS.

None of that namby-pamby middle ground kind of stuff.

And then they cry about how nobody wants to have a "reasonable discussion."

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