You have ignored us and laughed at us. Now you fight us. And we will win.

[derby378]

And to my fellow gun-owning Democrats: Stand up. Speak up. You are not alone.

[spanone]

1. is this some kind of psycho warning?

[derby378]

3. Oh, come on...

I've been on DU long enough for you to know better than to ask that. Please.

[spanone]

8. don't get it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. Its from Gandhi

I think you got punked on this one.

[spanone]

44. still don't get it, don't care to.

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:39 AM - Edit history (1)

i got punked?

don't get that either, don't care to

[wtmusic]

56. +1

[ellisonz]

45. Using Gandhi to advance gun violence...

[RomneyLies]

50. The gun madness gets worse after the gun nuts realize they are going to lose their PRECIOUSSSSS!

Everything changed Friday and they damned well know it.

[ellisonz]

58. They have no shame.

That much has been clear since Columbine.

I think it's sad we tolerate such nonsense on this website.

[Skittles]

63. he's a live one

[Lex]

73. Simply disgusting to use Ghandi's words

in this way.

[Marinedem]

134. Okay.

How's this one grab ya?

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mahtma Gandhi

[scarletwoman]

150. WE are not under the rule of a foreign power.

[tkmorris]

167. Using a Gandhi quote to justify gun ownership...

Now THAT is some freakin irony right there.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

171. It was pretty brassy

[lbrtbell]

174. Read the rest of this thread

Gandhi supported the right to gun ownership.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. derby's scared shitless because his usual rants aren't having the usual effect

People are sick of the gun fanaticism that defines his identity, and he doesn't know how to cope. He used to just rattle off cliched statistics and people would be so bored of his bullshit that they'd disengage. He always misread this as "victory," and it probably was to some extent, since the strategy was always to instill indifference in the issue in others. But now people are engaging, and he doesn't know what to do, and people won't stop saying that his whole identity and culture is fucking sick in its root. So he posts this utterly pathetic OP in his panic. Chest puffing clownery at its finest.

It's the three ring circus of the gunners as the sun sets on their grace period.

[RomneyLies]

21. The gun nuts are losing

and they damned well know it, too.

A line was crossed Friday and things are never ever going to be the same for the gun nuts.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

36. Excellent response

This guy seems like he might be a bit paranoid.

[Barack_America]

49. +1

ETA:

Brilliant post.

[derby378]

109. Or maybe YOU are scared that people like me have been right all along...

...and while people like me have been working our butts off to get Democrats elected to public office (yes, that includes Obama), such work has also included blunting the efforts of gun-control activists whose efforts badly hurt the party in 1994 and resulted in long-term woe for our nation. Sorry, but I was around to see the ban get passed in 1994, and I saw quite clearly what happened to Democrats as a result - and I don't want to see that happen again.

You think you're going to get a better deal from the Republicans on Medicare, Social Security, education, environmental issues, and even (yes, I dare to go there) the welfare of America's children? Sorry, not gonna happen.

Sooner or later you're going to learn that if you want a conversation on gun laws in America, it's going to have to be an actual conversation, not the hysterics I've been witness to all weekend long. I've already had an online slapfight with a Brady Campaign luminary; I'd just as soon not have it with my fellow DUers.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. Nope...not from what I saw today

In a pretty red area of town. Seismic shifts are occurring.

[derby378]

118. Perhaps...

I've seen you on DU enough to know that you're a reasonable sort, which I can appreciate, even if we do disagree with each other.

[nadinbrzezinski]

123. What I saw was even pols saying things need to change

It was bipartisan and multiple levels of government.

That is a seismic change, or the beginnings of it.

You welcome.

[Barack_America]

116. No offense, but your OP was as hysterical as any pro-gun control post I've seen.

Evidenced by the replies you've gotten to it.

[derby378]

121. Let me guess - hot chocolate and a soft pillow?

It's about that time, anyway. We're gonna get through this mess one way or another.

[alcibiades_mystery]

122. The conversation's over

You're over.

Done.

You're not right. Your position is a public health catastrophe. It doesn't need to be solved with conversations with the likes of you. You need to have reasonable policy imposed on you. Your free pass is over.

[derby378]

197. Feel better after that Two-Minutes Hate?

Sorry, but I'm not going anywhere. On the contrary, you're going to see more and more of us.

[Democracyinkind]

202. More and more guns, less and less gun owners.

There's a reason the industry is pushing YOU to buy MORE...

[proud2BlibKansan]

190. Whatever it takes to keep kids safe

If that means Democrats lose elections, so be it.

Easy call for me.

[derby378]

227. If you want to keep kids safe...

Cleita and I, who are on opposite end of the gun issue, have been discussing the idea of a civilian armory.

She beat me to the punch on DU, but it's an idea I've been mulling over for some time. And it could have stopped the killings before they even started.

Here's a thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022014391

[krawhitham]

42. +1

[frank380]

2. Rights should be protected.

All of them.

[derby378]

4. Thank you...

[Skittles]

28. you are thanking the asshat who said this:

Assault weapon is a made up term.

View profile
That one very well may be an assault weapon. It's just a list of some guns some people made up.

It is NOT and assault rifle.

can you say RIGHTWING HACK???

[ProgressiveProfessor]

40. Those statements are completely factual

Technical, pedantic, enraging to some, but factual.

[Skittles]

47. BARF

[apocalypsehow]

57. That's what our Gungeoneer "professor's"* lesson plan usually consists of:

Good call!


*( )

[Skittles]

67. I like the professor part too

[RomneyLies]

84. We can be anything we want on the internet. I'm a rocket scientist.

[Major Nikon]

178. I'm a rocket surgeon

In my spare time I drive aircraft carriers for fun.

[Major Nikon]

117. Seems about as made up as the "progressive" part as well

[Skittles]

177. well THAT'S the part that gives him away

[ProgressiveProfessor]

105. Your inability to control your stomach does not make it any less true

Instead of going into denial how about using the correct terminology? It will allow discussion to move forward meaningfully.

[laundry_queen]

151. No, it means you try to get us caught up in semantics.

No one's buying your shit anymore.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

159. If you took enough time to learn about things, the semantics would disappear

You soundbite approach will hurt your chances for success.

[laundry_queen]

166. LOL, I don't need your advice but we will have success on this. Count on it.

No more dead babies.

[WinniSkipper]

223. Don't count on it

Lets say pro control gets what (in todays environment) some very reasonable and easy to agree upon concessions. Magazine limits, all private sales open and required to NCIS checks. The "assault" par is debatable - in essence the control side to have any effect would need to be a ban on semi automatic long guns. Even though handguns are the real problem.

And Feinstein KNOWS there is no way to go after guns in existence - thats why her current proposal is grandfathered.

So after all this we have no more new semi auto long guns sold. No more new magazines larger than 5 rounds.

What happens after the next incident like this? More rules?

Because here is the reality - and the ammo for the pro side. Laughner, Holmes, and Lanza, for all practical purposes - were low hanging fruit for identifying potential killers. Most everyone around them, and we are talking in a professional setting - academic, counselors, police at times - were POWERLESS to do anything about it - even though they were right there, on a silver platter, to intervene.

Which do you think makes more sense. Spending BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars to go after all the guns and ammo in peoples closets (who are doing nothing wrong), or spend the money to help people who scream (figuratively) I need Help? And if you think we can do both you haven't been following what's going on in Washington

[muriel_volestrangler]

186. "assault weapon" is no more 'made up' than "assault rifle"

It's a term in common usage, with an understood meaning. "Assault rifle" is not some ur-phrase, existing in the primordial swamps waiting for humans to discover it. A person put those 2 words together, just like another put "assault weapon" together.

Rifles are a type of weapon. However, it would not have been good law to ban just assault 'rifles', because pedantic gun manufacturers would have produced smooth bore models.

frank380 has, of course, been banned as "gun troll posting from Breitbart ". Nice friends you've got there.

[pipoman]

52. I don't know the poster,

but can you point out which part isn't true? (assuming in the last line the poster meant "an" instead of "and&quot

[Skittles]

54. you again, pipeman?

[frank380]

101. Please show me where I am incorrect.

Assault weapon is a made up term.

You are in favor of the truth, aren't you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. Sturmweber 44 (assault Riffle 44)

IS NOT a made up term.

Forgive me, the function of these weapons is assault when used is suppressive fire mode (which your civilian version does not do, only difference) and more accurate semi auto fire. Yes the military version also fires burst. The rate of fire possible out of the civilian versions make them pretty Damn capable INFANTRY riffles.

The muzzle velocity, or size of round does not magically change. The AR 15 and the Bushmaster use NATO 5.56.

Go peddle that NRA talking point somewhere else, you delicate flower, you.

[RomneyLies]

112. Throw a slide stock on it and it's pretty damned close to automatic

making them definitely assault rifles.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Oh there are ways to convert them

And while illegal, people do it all protestations of these delicate flowers to the contrary notwithstanding. I mean, f you are going to break the law, what s one more felony?

[RomneyLies]

120. Slide stocks are ATF approved 100% legal

Check out what you can do with this slight modification:

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. I know, the cartels used to do that.

I must say, I need to thank that inaccurate fire for my life.

[RomneyLies]

127. The slide stocks in the video are incredibly accurate

Especially at close range such as when somebody with a massacre magazine is going in to murder massive numbers of babies in an elementary school.

These weapons just plain need to be illegal with no grandfathering of existing weapons.

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. I am not saying they should not be illegal,

Unless we follow the actual intent of the founders, universal conscription (that line alone will drop ownership).

But I think pols, from the feeling I got today, are moving there.

[RomneyLies]

131. I'd feel a lot better if Scalia or Kennedy felt they needed to retire.

On more reasonable SCOTUS justice could make all the difference here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. Look at Roberts.

Something is telling me Chief Justice Roberts can read polls.

As to retirements, we will see them.

[frank380]

125. That's an assault rifle. Not an assault weapon.

Assault weapon is a made up term. Assault rifle is a selective fire rifle with the ability to be selected to full auto. Full auto is VERY restricted.

Assault weapon is a made up term. Are you educated in the difference?

[nadinbrzezinski]

128. Delicate flower

Yes, actually educated... And there is more delicate flower, the this is a made up term is an NRA talking point.

The are you educated is a deflection technique used by gun bunnies. Must get frustrating when you are now getting engaged.

[RomneyLies]

135. CLUE: ALL terms are made up

That's how they become terms. Somebody makes them up.

[Major Nikon]

126. It's legally defined in numerous statutes

Including the now expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

Passing off what is clearly your opinion (and not even that great of an opinion) as "truth" reeks of egocentrism.

Just sayin'

[DanTex]

189. Well, at least you've got the trolls are on your side!

[rustydog]

17. Especially the right to murder 26 people?

Or do I misunderstand your post?

[Downwinder]

43. Thought there was a right to education and life.

[wtmusic]

64. Kids have a right to go to school without getting slaughtered

and so the rights of gun masturbatists will have to be scaled down a few notches.

[RomneyLies]

219. Ah, another PPRed gun nut. n/t

[Skittles]

5. something is waning on derby

[marybourg]

6. Yeah, well, you have the guns. I wouldn't be surprised if you DO win.

One way or another.

[Lex]

7. Wait. Gun-owers are being oppressed? Oh my.

[Skittles]

9. careful!!! they are very delicate

[Lex]

15. no kidding

reminds me of that other thread title that k-pete posted

[RetroLounge]

88. Delicate flowers

RL

[neverforget]

10. 300 million guns in the US. Are we safe yet?

[Major Nikon]

141. Nope. We need more gun nuts to keep us safe from the gun nuts.

Obviously.

No really.

I'm not kidding.

No shit.

That's how it works.

This isn't funny.

[bongbong]

11. The OP is an example of the mental illness I talk about in my other posts

Seek help. Seriously.

[derby378]

16. Ah, the new McCarthyism rears its ugly head

We have no use for an angry mob seeking a new Robespierre. We have to do this with decency or not at all.

[Lex]

18. LOL

Seriously?

[myrna minx]

25. There is some serious self indulgence going on.

Wow. I love how it's the *gun owners* who are the victims after each of these slaughters. It's embarrassing actually.

[laundry_queen]

154. It should be for them, but it's not. See also re: post 11 nt

[sufrommich]

39. You're about to hit hyperbole overload.

[RetroLounge]

87. "the new McCarthyism"

right-wing NRA talking point.

You're time is running short, gun nut.

RL

[Confusious]

103. I see it as the Army talking to McCarthy

The gun lobby has been pushing people around and silencing them for a long time. Nobody wanted to challenge the gun lobby.

But at last we get:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency??"

[kestrel91316]

214. Actually, an angry mob is what we have needed for a good many years now.

And a few guillotines for those who put money and personal gratification above the lives of innocents.

[Skittles]

22. sad thing is they see their gun worship as normal, even commendable

it's part of the sickness in America

[RomneyLies]

23. True that. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

41. Still looking for you to post the Diagnostic Code

Or would that cause your delicate flowers to wilt?

[Warren Stupidity]

61. 20. Diagnostic code 20.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

108. Surely you can do better than that

[bongbong]

65. The NRA publishes it

It's called "Talking Point Manual For Our Parrots"

[RomneyLies]

91. What do you hold a PhD in? n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

106. Computer Science

I can get you my CV is you have a real need of it

[RomneyLies]

107. No need

I don't believe it any way.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

172. Still waiting for the diagnostic code

[myrna minx]

12. Oh, good gravy.

Yes, the lessons learned after this massacre is *this*.

[OneGrassRoot]

13. wow n/t

[freshwest]

133. I thought it was a white power video, so I turned it off.

[muriel_volestrangler]

187. The only relevant lyric I can find is "Give me hot steel GO!"

http://www.lyricsmania.com/not_alone_lyrics_all_that_remains.html

An overheating machine-gun?

Apart from that, it's basically "I'm not alone With the touch of your hand I am whole again". Which could be quite nice, except that the attitude of the song is more "I'm angry, and want 'hot steel'".

[cthulu2016]

19. What makes this a GBCW post is that you already won... ages ago.

[Lex]

24. and now we are seeing the results of it

[Chorophyll]

20. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post.

Flabbergasted.

[BeyondGeography]

26. Bushmaster w/30-round clips v. 1st graders

Game over. For your side.

[-..__...]

46. The jury system is broken if your post isn't hidden.

"scumbag"?... Really?

[ellisonz]

55. Yes.

All this gun nut nonsense on a night like this is nothing but the bullshit of a scumbag.

[rDigital]

66. It was a good hide though. You stepped over the line. nt

[RomneyLies]

70. IMO, every gun nut steps over the line by simply being here. nt

[apocalypsehow]

75. Yep. And some even have the transparency pages to prove it, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=269047&sub=trans

[Hoyt]

179. When a gun cultist walks out the door with a gun strapped on, you step over the line in real life.

Yea, I know, there are some jobs that require it, and some of you are concerned about being attacked by a mountain lion in the wilds. Exceptions can be made.

[morningfog]

59. They were being kind.

[apocalypsehow]

72. Yep. And it was nothing compared to *SOME* poster's hidden garbage:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=269047&sub=trans

[neverforget]

83. Pretty ironic from that poster considering his hidden post

[RomneyLies]

29. If you listen to crap music like that, I think I understand why you worship guns.

[Arugula Latte]

30. WTF.

Help, help, you're being oppressed! Not enough guns, not enough lives ruined, not enough carnage for you, I guess.

[Barack_America]

31. What the hell kind of melodramatic bullshit is this?

People who don't grow out of their hardcore phase make me uneasy.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. They Wants It! They Needs It! Always, They Tries To Takes It From Us!!!!

PREEEECCCCCIOOOOUUUUSSSSS!!!!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. ROFL

That's about the speed of the gun nut arguments this weekend.

Shockingly, few have even bothered to voice a word of mourning for the people of Newtown. Too concerned about their precious to even do that. It's become devastatingly clear the kind of people we're dealing with.

[laundry_queen]

155. You are absolutely right

I used to see both sides - really I did and even though I was very anti-gun, I could sympathize with the other side.

No longer. Their behavior since this horrific tragedy only makes me feel like ESPECIALLY those people you allude to, should not be owning firearms of ANY kind.

[Barack_America]

35. FTW.

Hilarious and sadly spot-on.

[Skittles]

51. STOP PICKING ON US!!

[neverforget]

62. You're a fucking sick person

[RomneyLies]

68. That was one instance where the jury system worked.

The gun nuts are out in force now. They know they are now losing. They know a line was crossed on Friday and things will never be the same and in their desperate paranoia they are trying anything to keep the changes from happening.

[neverforget]

76. Thankfully it worked this time. Mocking Sarah Brady?! WTF! That is a sick person

[morningfog]

69. When will the gunners be corralled back under their gungeon rock?

[RomneyLies]

74. They get to come out and spew their insanity every time little kids get murdered by guns.

They are desperate because babies were killed with their murder machines and it scares them that their toys may become illegal.

[Barack_America]

78. This time we follow them back to the gungeon.

Time to take over. They're not winning this time.

[Bonobo]

80. When will that poster be PPR'ed? nt

[morningfog]

81. I alerted and checked TOS. But, it is in the admins hands. They've been here too long for MIRT

to do it.

[neverforget]

86. I did too when I alerted it

[NYC Liberal]

89. Someone alerted and the jury voted 1-5 to leave this, fyi.

At Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're a fucking sick person
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2006580

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Over the top personal attack on another DUer.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:47 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Not over the top, well deserved.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm inclined to agree with neverforget.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post reflects how ugly the hidden post was.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: It is understandable but I've not much tolerance right now.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[neverforget]

93. Thanks for the heads up

[RetroLounge]

92. This fuckstick needs to have his AK shoved up his PPR

RL

[Chorophyll]

99. Perfect.

Thanks for the much needed laugh.

[larwdem]

33. not right

fucking nuts

[neverforget]

38. What kind of regulation would you agree too if any?

We're all ears.

[derby378]

115. In all fairness, that's probably a subject for another thread

It's getting late, and I'd rather not insult you with some half-assed response.

My wife was a big supporter of gun control, however - she was one of those who made me think carefully about where I stood and why. Remarkable woman. I still miss Ginny every day.

[morningfog]

48. Spoiler alert. You will lose.

You and your ilk have a hard line that will be broken in the near future.

[pipoman]

60. If people would just take the time to

study the issue and realize what can and can't happen constitutionally, and what laws are already on the books we could all communicate a little better I believe. Until then people will rant, nothing will happen, and the discussion will stop until the next time.

[Skittles]

71. do you not get it?

WE ARE SICK OF PANDERING TO THE IGNORANT AND FEARFUL. SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pipoman]

138. Tell it to the constitutional lawyer

who is writing your amendment. Screaming about the possibilities of impossibilities is wasted breath..

[Skittles]

143. LOL

maybe now the Amendment will be CORRECTLY INTERPRETED - bye bye!!!

[pipoman]

145. Anyone who is literate in the English language knows what it says..

those who state otherwise are wishing..

[Skittles]

146. CORRECT

WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE GOING DOWN

[pipoman]

149. LOL

[Lex]

77. the tipping point

has occurred

[pipoman]

139. The constitution remains unchanged.

[Lex]

142. Don't be stupid. It is constantly being interpreted. nt

[pipoman]

148. Just can't help yourself, eh?

It takes lifetimes to change.

[Lex]

192. One Supreme Court case is all it takes and that happens all the time.

Do you really understand what the Supreme Court or Congress does?

[pipoman]

195. Yeah, they don't take cases asking the same question every year..

and no, one case isn't going to overturn the 2nd amendment or amend the constitution. The quickest anything will happen is through constitutional amendment...this takes decades at least and is wrought with derailing pitfalls even getting to the point of consent of 3/4 of the states..further that "one supreme court case" will take at least a decade, likely more because of the difficulty of finding that perfect case scenario, to even get to SCOTUS...this is a built in protection to curb unconstitutional knee jerk actions..

[Lex]

199. Congress passes an assault weapons ban as law.

It goes into effect. Years from now it might make it to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court rules it Constitutional.

The end.

[pipoman]

200. Every congressman remembers the 1994 reaction to that AWB,

they know that it made no statistical difference in crime, they know that it didn't ban anything, few are willing to risk their seat until someone actually defines "assault weapon" in a manner consistent with the constitution..

[Lex]

209. Just watch.

[pipoman]

220. Likewise..

[Arugula Latte]

225. The Constitution never changes. That's why we still have slavery

and why women can't vote.

[RomneyLies]

79. A line was crossed Friday. The gun nuts are killing babies now

ENOUGH!

[Chorophyll]

102. It is so insulting to be told over and over again to "study the issue."

Do you think we haven't been?

But what more is there to study, Pipoman? How many more dead children do we need? How many will be gunned down while I'm sitting around "studying" at your behest?

This is not the tipping point. It is the BREAKING point. We are done. We will have gun control. Real gun control. And you will live with it.

[pipoman]

144. As long as people are yelling for gun bans, I will believe they don't understand..

and haven't studied the issue. WebMD has never made anyone a doctor.

But what more is there to study, Pipoman?

The constitutional possibilities would be nice.

We will have gun control. Real gun control.

Gun control hasn't won a battle for years...maybe a decade..All the wailing that has been done over "the gun show loophole" and guess what? Nothing has been done about it because nothing can be done about it without a constitutional amendment repealing the "commerce clause"...just like most of the nonsense being suggested over the past few days..constitutional impossibilities

[Chorophyll]

152. The 2nd Amendment to which you cling so desperately was written in an era of muskets.

In 2012, people are being sprayed with projectiles from weapons that the Founders could not have imagined.

The 2nd Amendment to which you cling so desperately was written during a time when the English were still our enemy, when we had yet to decimate the Native Americans, and when we did not yet have a cohesive military or municipal police forces. So that would be why they put in that "well-regulated militia" part which you gun "enthusiasts" never seem to mention.

That's all I need to know, and it's all I need to tell you. My kid has to go to school in about six hours, and I shouldn't have to be worried about what I'm worried about right now.

Gun control has been enacted in every other developed nation on this planet, and it's coming here too. You can keep a big stick next to your bed from now on, okay?

[laundry_queen]

156. +1

ditto with the kids going to school. I shouldn't be worried - I don't even live in the US - but I am. Copycats happen here in Canada too (google Jason Lang after Columbine).

[pipoman]

158. It was written by people who

understood the history of civilization, of government, of power. There are papers written by the founders which prove your claims incorrect. If I get around to it I may post some tomorrow. Precedent has been set by SCOTUS, this is no small hurtle, stating that there is an individual right.

Are you also worried about your child being in an auto accident? Or drowning while swimming? Or being hit by a vehicle? Of coarse...we all are...children cause worry, all of those things mentioned are far more likely to threaten your child than being shot. Doesn't mean it can't happen, just that the worry should be tempered by reality.

You've got a lot of constitutional work to do and any guns I may own aren't going anywhere.

[Chorophyll]

164. It's 2:00 a.m. and I just heard fucking gunshots in my neighborhood.

Called 911; they've had several reports and are sending officers. You can go think about that. Fucking wingnut copycats are popping up everywhere.

And you're afraid of your government. Jesus Christ.

[pipoman]

165. I just know the constitutional realities on this..

[Chorophyll]

191. They were real. Someone local nit felt the need to walk outside at 2:00 and start shooting.

You know, the same night Obama spoke of taking action on guns.

The Constitution is not "dead," although Antonin Scalia thinks it is. It can be changed.

[Hoyt]

180. Sounds like a good time to take another look, especially with one less right wing justice.

Then maybe Stevens' and three other Justice's dissent in Heller will prevail.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZD.html

Truthfully, we might not need to change makeup of Court after the latest incident.

Enjoy your guns.

[pipoman]

188. "incidents" don't change words or definitions, or interpretations...

Even if the makeup changes it will be decades before the court will take another case asking the same questions already answered. If it were as easy as you think, Roe would have been overturned by now. No, wishful thinking..

[Hoyt]

193. Maybe, but it will be decades before anyone actively enforces tough gun laws now.

Kind of like Heller and McDonald -- have you seen any real changes in Chicago and DC? Do you think anyone is going to push Chicago and DC now?

Enjoy your guns.

[Democracyinkind]

203. HA? You've been around on 9/12, right?

Incidents have changed our constitution beyond anything the founding fathers would recognise. It's just that so far the 2A hasn't had the same fate - just a question of time.. Point in case: 4th&10th - que sera, sera, be it "constitutional" or not.

[RetroLounge]

82. Wow, using Gandhi quote and gun threats all together

RL

[TDale313]

95. ^^^ this ^^^

[neverforget]

104. yeah defending weapons with Ghandi is rather over the top

[Hoyt]

85. Gun cultists have been coddled far too long.

[BainsBane]

90. Democrats

does that mean you're a Democrat?

[RetroLounge]

96. He's not even close

RL

[RomneyLies]

97. He's a Democrat like I'm a friggin' Rocket Scientist

[BainsBane]

94. You win all the time

and you have 20 tiny coffins as trophies. You'll have several thousand more before the end of the month.

[yewberry]

140. This is the heartbreaker. Gun owners have won all along.

And here we are. Horrified and mourning again.

[laundry_queen]

157. That needs to be repeated over and over again

They already won, or we wouldn't have 20 babies being buried this week. Hope they enjoy their prize. Sickos.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. That you hear is our collective derision

No, not because you are a democrat...I could care less.

You want an infantry weapon, join the Guard. That up is what the founders intended.

Dependent clauses is not your strong point.
your rights to a gun are in clear conflict with the right to life. There is no way to square this round peg . The founders got it.

Read the second in it's entirety and remember your English class on dependent clauses.

[Bonobo]

100. Please add my mocking laughter to the derision, okay? nt

[freshwest]

136. +1,000 to what you said!

[Hekate]

113. What ARE you on about?

Who's ignoring and laughing at gun owners?!

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. We are not taking the bull

In his mind that is laughter.

[Hekate]

130. Hi Nadin. Yeah, I kinda thought so.

Now I can LOL.

[Scootaloo]

137. I have seen some fucking dumb shit in my time here on DU

But gun owners acting as if they are some oppressed minority?

Fuck off.

[BainsBane]

147. +1

[Hoyt]

183. Agree. I've seen some in gungeon equate their poor pitiful gun plight to that of civil rights era.

[villager]

153. Historically, you are no different that someone using phrenology to defend racism.

You have lost, and it is over.

The cost to society was enormous -- and will be, for awhile. But from this point out, the culture has outgrown you.

[Egalitarian Thug]

160. Now watch the Democratic Party resurrect the republican party by imploding...

It just happens too regularly to be an accident.

[Dems to Win]

161. We're not laughing at gun nuts, we're SCREAMING WITH RAGE!!!

I reject all threats from gun nuts!!!

We the people will control these guns, including forcing turn ins. If we must fight you, that we will do. No more cowering in fear of gun nuts!!!

[Hoopermazing]

162. Nothing Changed Last Friday

Americans have short attention spans. They'll be some saber rattling and they something else will grab the headlines and this will fade into history. Americans are never going to give up their (specifically my) guns. It's never going to happen, my friend.

[yewberry]

163. Oh, fer chrissakes, derby.

Look, I know you like your guns. I also know you work hard to get Democrats elected, and you do it in Texas. I's still sorry you lost Ginny, for you as a husband and for us as a community. Take a minute and ask yourself what she would have said to you about this.

The truth is you've been winning all along. You have not been ignored; you run the show. You have not been laughed at; you are now being questioned and yes, demonized, because the result of your insistence of your rights has been the death of 20 children and 6 adults in an elementary school.

DU, over the past few days, has indeed been completely over the top on the subjects of gun rights and gun control. Totally true. That's because we're outraged and desperate. As a person who is not a gun person, my perception is that the NRA and gun-rights advocates are and have been utterly unwilling to accept any compromise. That's where this is coming from. Americans are massacred routinely with guns, and we're sick of being told that there's nothing we, as a country, can do about it. It's in the Constitution, after all, convoluted grammar and all.

It's time for gun-rights advocates to come to the table with more than the cold, dead hands cliche. Will you win again? Yes, you will. But if there is an ounce of decency in the gun-rights advocacy behemoth (and honestly, I'm not sure there is), SOME kind of attempts at compromise must be proposed.

Otherwise, we, the non-gun-toting populace, are going to see you (yes, you) as the reason a 7-year-old got shot six times. In a SECOND.

How could we not be outraged and horrified? Moreover, how could gun-rights advocates not be outraged and horrified? Where are those voices?

[Skittles]

176. worthy of its own thread, yewberry

[derby378]

206. Believe it or not, Skittles, I heartily agree

In fact, if yewberry doesn't want to make this an OP, I'd be more than happy to do it. This is the kind of dialogue that reaches me - and it has, quite honestly, made me take a good look at where I stand and where I go from here.

I've always insisted that I'm not the monster some of these folks make me out to be. Maybe a little like Shrek, sometimes, but that's it.

I may never know what it's like to be a parent, but I too know what it's like to hold a little child and see her smiling face.

[Paladin]

204. Well Said. (nt)

[Chan790]

168. A metric of absurdity.

The assertion of this OP is as ridiculous as when Christians in America claim to be persecuted.

[pinboy3niner]

169. This time, you'll LOSE

[pinboy3niner]

170. Not ths time, asshole

This time you lose.

[Sheldon Cooper]

173. Holy crap I've now seen everything.

You're using Gandhi to support gun rights?

[pinboy3niner]

175. Fuk U. nt

[aristocles]

185. Sad, sad, sad

One cannot reason with gun advocates. But Krugman is right...we have far more votes than they. Take it to the ballot box. They will lose.

[Paladin]

194. Just Leave. Permanently.

I've been reading your attention-hungry posts about guns for years, and it's pretty obvious that DU is no longer a suitable place for you. I didn't like your comments about Molly Ivins, I didn't like your comments about Gabby Giffords, and I damn sure don't like your tone-deaf comments following the slaughter of twenty school kids in Connecticut. Just leave. Please.

[JanMichael]

196. You already have won 2012. There are thousands dead. Congratulations

on your accomplishments.

[workinclasszero]

198. "You have ignored us and laughed at us. Now you fight us. And we will win."

Speaking as a gun owning democrat...you seem threatened and scared. Why?

I fully back a military assault weapon ban/buy back program. It worked great in Australia apparently. It could work here too.

It was the height of insanity that these military weapons of mass destruction were ever offered to the public in the first place.

They also need to ban high capacity ammo clips. The life of one child is way more important than any and every damn gun ever made, IMHO.

[aandegoons]

201. 20 kids were not a big enough win for you?

Pretty sick.

[WilliamPitt]

205. Yeah, you're the victim.

[derby378]

207. Please see #163 (n/t)

[derby378]

208. Message to the mods: PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD

All of this back-and-forth has become counterproductive.

If we're ever going to reach consensus, I have to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

I have a temper just like everyone else, but I also know that everyone's emotions are running high lately.

I don't want to fan the flames. Please lock this thread, shut it down, and let cooler heads and hearts prevail.

Thank you.

[Dems to Win]

210. Typical gun nut COWARD!!!!

Your whining thread didn't get you the hand-holding and sympathy you expected, so rather than address the RAGE directed at you and your gun-nuttery, you want to close the thread

Thousands of deaths aren't enough 'winning' for you, you need to have your hand held....

COWARD!!

[derby378]

221. You're just seething with hatred, aren't you...?

You think your rage is helping you? You think it's helping anything?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

217. What were you expecting, buddy?

You come on with some vague statement about how you feel victimized but how you will "win", all after a horrific tragedy.

You made your bed. Now lie in it.

[derby378]

222. I've been lying in that bed for over seven years...

Believe me, I'm used to it. But something has to be done to stop all the hate on DU, and if I have to make the first move, so be it.

[jberryhill]

226. Self-delete your OP, whiner

You can lock the thread yourself by deleting your OP, but you'd rather whine for someone else to do it?

Now I've seen everything.

But, no, if you self-delete and lock the thread, then your OP no longer stands. So, instead, you want to keep your OP up, but not take any flack.

Typical coward.

[Melatonin]

211. I'm confused...

Are democrats not allowed to own guns? That's the feeling I'm getting from reading these posts. Of course, this is post tragedy, so deep irrational fear and paranoia is to be expected, similar to 9/11.

[Lex]

212. Welcome to DU. Sorry you're confused. nt

[Melatonin]

215. Thanks

For your very helpful, constructive, and insightful post. I'm sure you're one of the more contributive members here.

As long as you're being helpful, care to explain what nt means?

[hrmjustin]

216. Welcome to DU and nt means no text.

[Sheldon Cooper]

224. Invoking Gandhi, a man who was ASSASSINATED with a GUN,

in the quest for gun rights is so packed with irony that the mind boggles.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

213. Win what?

A cookie?

Seriously though, what is there to "win"? You have all the lobbying power on your side.

[RomneyLies]

218. Ya know, I haven't ignored you

until now, that is.