The 6 craziest state gun laws

[cali]

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1. Concealed carry at 16 — with no permit: Most states that allow people to carry a concealed weapon on their person require gun owners to obtain a permit before doing so. But four states — Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont — allow concealed carry without any permit. That means, the Brady Campaign’s Brian Malte tells me, that Jared Loughner was in full compliance with Arizona law up until the moment he used his concealed weapons to kill six people and severely injure Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Vermont, however, stands out from the pack because it allows people as young as 16 to conceal carry without parental permission, as well as buy handguns. So a Vermont teenager aged 16 can’t legally go to an R-rated movie alone or join the military, but he can buy a handgun and carry it in his jeans and be completely within the limits of the law.

2. Property rights end where gun rights begin: According to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, 17 states, including Oklahoma and Florida, bar employers from preventing their employees from bringing guns to work and keeping them locked in their vehicles, even if those vehicles are on the property of the employer. Indiana and North Dakota allow employees to sue their employers for damages if asked about gun possession. The North Dakota statue specifically bars employers from asking if employees’ vehicles parked on company property have weapons in them. Georgia bars employers from making employment conditional on not bringing guns to work.

3. License to kill, even in public: A class of laws, called “castle doctrine” statutes by supporters, in most states clarify that homeowners who feel threatened in their domicile have no duty to retreat from threats or to refrain from the use of deadly force. But most states also have such laws that apply to conflagrations in public places, far removed from the shooter’s “castle.” That is, these 34 states allow people to use deadly force when they feel threatened in public.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/16/the-6-craziest-state-gun-laws/

[Recursion]

1. Vermont has basically the lowest crime rate in the country

It's hard to fault anything Vermont does when they get the results they do

[cali]

2. yeah, but we make it far too easy for what happened in Newtown to happen

here.

[glowing]

7. Most people in VT couldn't afford a Bushmaster and if they are wealthy,

they are normally the crunchy, granola's that have moved in from the city for some fresh air.. and live the rest of their lives in birkenstocks and drum circles.

I had friends who used to hunt before and after school. They had their hunting rifles in their truck's gun rack. Then there was a ban from vehicles parked on school grounds from having weapons in them.. So, they parked just off of the school property and walked across the st to the school ground (shoot the teachers were lucky they actually came in from hunting at all during the season-- to many, like my sister's family and she's a school teacher, it means having food in the freezer. Her crappy sallary doesn't go all that far. And her husband certainly doesn't go hunting with a bushmaster (less bullets is the whole idea).

I actually didn't know anyone who owned a hand gun. My uncle had a couple of hunting rifles locked up in his gun case for when he went hunting. I know my brother in laws are locked up tight. However, it can get depressing and there is a lot of poor folks, but they seem to be original Vermonters and tend to just drink themselves to death, have car crashes, or fall off roofs and drop trees on themselves or a tractor accident occurs. But as the world encroaches, the state has to change... Its not just Vermonters anymore and there are a few Universities and tourist destinations that should be thought more carefully about. One of my mom's friend's husband was killed by a hunter while picking berries. Accident, but the kid was scared and ran, if he had run to get help, the husband would be alive and 5 children would have had a father to grow up with... Hunting accidents def. happen too often. My sister and I weren't allowed to go into the woods back behind our house during deer season without tons of bright orange and an adult... And we were constantly running off people from hunting on our land because my mom liked to see the deer eat from under the apple tree outside our window (my uncle wasn't allowed to do his "hunting" for deer in our "woods&quot LOL. I actually think he kept up the "sport" of it so he could take his week long buddy trip to PA, drink beer, and not have a "honey do list". He was more handy for keeping foxes at bay. (we lived next door to one another growing up). Now, the place was sold to one of my friends and her husband is a hunter, he called politely to ask if the black bear or any fox was around, could he shoot it this past year... since they also raise chickens on a run. My mom worries about her wandering cats, so as long as he wasn't aiming at them, she was good.

Its something I never thought about growing up. Then again, I graduated hs in 1997 and times have def changed. BTW, I live in FL now and this state is far more dangerous feeling than VT could even think of becoming ever. People scare the shit out of me here.. I wish I could leave and move back to the "safety" of VT. Insanity seems the general rule here.

[krispos42]

9. What is truly scary about Newtown...

...or any other mass shooting, is that it makes us all realize just how hideously vulnerable we are.

Newtown would not have been appreciable better if the shooter had been limited to lever-action rifles, or pump-action shotguns, or 6-shot revolvers.


In any case like this, the shooter has several minutes to shoot, unopposed, before armed help arrives, and even more time before the police can find and kill him.



Newtown can happen ANYPLACE, and without the latest and greatest in tactical rifles or whatever.



Hell, check out your local Chuck E. Cheese on a Saturday. Imagine a nut going in there with a revolver and a box of ammunition.

[JI7]

4. they are also small rural and socialist

[baldguy]

5. And the largest city has less than 50,000 people.

The only NE state with a lower pop density is Maine.

[uppityperson]

3. This picture from your link gives me the creeps.

Stuck in your belt? What?



And #6? whew.

6. Guns at schools: In 2010, Kansas passed a law allowing the concealed carry of guns in K-12 schools, in violation of the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, which criminalizing the carrying of firearms in specified school zones. That act was ruled unconstitutional in U.S. v. Lopez as exceeding the federal government’s powers under the Commerce Clause, and a revised statute was passed that limits the ban to guns “involved in interstate commerce,” so it is possible that the Kansas statute does not run afoul of federal law in all cases.
This past week, Michigan followed suit, with state legislators passing a law allowing concealed carry in schools, bars, daycare centers and churches. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has not signed the bill into law, and its ultimate passage is now in doubt due to the Newtown incident.

[tclambert]

6. Guns in bars? Yeah, can't think of anything that could go wrong there.

'Cause people who go to bars never get in fights or get stupid drunk and say, "Hey, you guys, watch this!"

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Easier for someone behind to steal it than it is for him to draw. Gun control begins w/ controlling

Turned back asswards that way in his belt makes it easier for someone behind him to steal it than it is for him to draw. Gun control begins with controlling one's own gun, at the very least. He is either a dumb ass or the photo is a setup staged for effect, which means somebody else is an idiot.

[progressoid]

10. Oh but it makes him so much more cool and manly.