I have no idea what the solution is to gun violence in schools

[madokie]

Until we have a solution I think maybe we should allow the superintendent and or principle of a school to have a means of stopping something like this from happening again.
Personally I own no guns and have no guns in my home. Lived with guns in the home as a kid growing up and used said guns hunting for food.
My defenses today is a can of wasp spray near my bed ready to go if someone was to enter my home in the middle of the night

[Fumesucker]

1. Did you see the OP with the Sixty Minutes video about untrained people in a gun situation?

The training officer in the video stated that three months without situational training and he himself wouldn't be any good in a crisis situation.

We will need to ensure that principals take a combat arms training course on a monthly basis.

[madokie]

4. What ever it takes

If they don't want to do it then fine but at least give them the wherewithall to maybe stop this from happening if they so chose

I don't believe for a minute we'd have to 'ensure that principals take a combat arms training course on a monthly basis'
Its been 42 plus years since I've had any training and trust me when I say I'd know what to do if someone was to enter my home if I had a gun. I chose not to have a gun is all.

[Fumesucker]

7. Did you watch the Sixty Minutes video?

It's really quite illuminating.

Even the guy that was an expert shot at the range with a wide variety of weapons failed miserably in the scenario, got "shot" with the paint rounds about five or six times.

I was actually a bit surprised at how badly the untrained individuals did and I figured they wouldn't do well.

[madokie]

10. No I didn't watch it and I don't believe a bit of it

Nothing personal but let me get a gun and come check me out and see what the results will be. I'm over 42 years removed from any training and I can still hit the bullseye as good as ever and on a moments notice. Oh and not knowing what to do is bullshit too, been 42 plus years since I had any training in that and I'd not want to be you in this situation.

for all I know 60 minutes is in the pockets of the nra too. They damn sure aren't in either yours or my pocket that I would bet on.

[RomneyLies]

12. I'd LOVE to see you go through what they did in that video

If only to see you admit you are wrong, just like the people who were highly proficient with arms.

[madokie]

15. I'll admit when I'm wrong

this won't be the time i need to though

[Fumesucker]

17. The Sixty Minutes video *debunked* the NRA claims

I'm a former Marine as is my son in law, he shot Expert about five times in the Corps and when we shot together at the range some years ago my groups were about half the size of his, actually surprised the hell out of me because I hadn't shot in a very long time before that. I think he was thinking he was going to humiliate me and instead he told me he was gonna try extra hard not to piss me off.

I don't think I'd be worth a crap in a crisis situation because I'm not trained for that.

Shooting at the range is nothing like a crisis situation.

[Lightbulb_on]

18. I saw that video...

The students were set up to fail miserably...

[Fumesucker]

19. Agreed, they were put in a crisis situation without any training or advance warning

That is indeed a recipe for miserable failure.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Yes. People are simply not on their guard, ready for action,

all the time--not even police officers or soldiers. My husband was involved in an armed robbery last year--his back was turned, didn't know what was happening until he heard a voice command him to lie on the floor face down. He wasn't armed (thank god), but he spent 20 years in the military and also shot "expert"--never saw it coming, heard nothing, guard completely down.

[RomneyLies]

2. Are they going to constantly trian for these situations like cops?

IF not, you've just made the problem worse.

In flight or fight situations, adrenaline pumps. You develop tunnel vision to concentrate on the threat. Blood moves to the core of the body and away from the extremities. This means you are less capable of doing anything with your hands which means you've lost your capacity to aim and fire a weapon.

Cops and soldiers train for these situations constantly. They develop muscle memory in the hands and eyes so they retain some of their accuracy and some of their peripheral vision during these events. And they still screw up.

And once they stop the training for a short period of time, they lose the muscle memory and are back to being no more effective than the average civilian.

Giving a principal a gun to guard against these situations without constant training is an invitation to disaster.

[madokie]

5. Bullshit

Bullfuckingshit

"And once they stop the training for a short period of time, they lose the muscle memory and are back to being no more effective than the average civilian. "
Let me get a gun and then come in my house uninvited and see if I've forgotten the muscle memory, whatever the fuck that is, to take you out if need be.

[RomneyLies]

8. You're the one full of bullshit

[TwilightGardener]

3. Schools would need to be fortified with armed security

like military bases. Gates, ID cards, orders to pursue and stop anyone who runs through the gate. The idea of firearms inside the school, around children, and the idea that an educator needs to become proficient in marksmanship are ludicrous. So would local and state-level Republicans approve funding for this in exchange for no further restrictions on firearms? Will people agree to have their taxes increase by a LOT to turn public schools into fortresses?

[madokie]

6. You're shitting me

another apologist

[TwilightGardener]

9. ??? An apologist for what?

[madokie]

11. the gun lobby

you really couldn't figure that out

[TwilightGardener]

14. You could not be more wrong. I am in favor

of much stricter gun control. I am just running through the scenarios in which we'd be able to have truly safe schools WITHOUT stricter gun control--my point in my post is that Republicans and the general public aren't going to want to spend a DIME to do what it takes to truly secure schools, but also won't allow infringement on RKBA.

[madokie]

16. My point is as I stated

[guardian]

13. Wasp spray??

Good grief. At least buy a can of bear mace http://www.rei.com/product/623173/counter-assault-bear-deterrent-spray-81-oz

or don't bother having anything.

[No Compromise]

21. i think they need a way to stop this-absolutely no doubt

However, isn't it time Humanity moves past the use of guns? They are so barbaric and prone to accidental and purposeful deaths.

I keep thinking...isn't there some better way to do this? I am sure if we put our minds together and focused on positive solutions, humanity would have already come up with a non lethal way of stopping perps instantly.

Your spray made me think of this for instance, every teacher has special code access to directional vents with a knock out spray or something similar. Children are taught to drop to the floor so it is easier to hit the perp with the spray.

I have no idea if that would work, but I picture a future for humanity where we have developed such weapons, where people no longer have their bodies ripped apart in the most gruesome manner, and instead have something like we would see on Star Trek. Of course I feel the same about our brutal medical system as well. Bring on the future.