Why is gun porn allowed on DU GD forum?

[sasha031]

NRA lobby has long ago taken over the so called (gun control forum)
I've hid the thread, because it's disturbing.
Again, why are there numerous threads about right to carry concealed weapons here?

[patrice]

1. People are making their political reputations at the expense of others. It's all about ME fuck what

other people need. So the culture of the Ulitmate Me comes here to advertise itself and build cliques of other Mes.

[sasha031]

8. about a year ago, I posted something on in a spiritual nature here

forget what it was, but in no way was in offensive & defiantly not religious in nature.

It was immediately locked, my feeling were hurt at the time, the moderators told me I could appeal.
They told were kind enough & told me it was in the wrong place.

When the so called (gun control) forum was created, I 1st thought it was a positive thing. But the 2nd Amnd righters quickly turned it into an advocacy forum for changing laws for guns in school, right to carry ect.

[patrice]

9. DU does want things in the right forum so the people who are interested in the topic have a better

chance of noticing it and Replying to you.

Yeah, the gungeon is over-flowing into other forums.

And it's actually worse than that, because the crazies go out and mess with other topics (so they're not technically talking about the wrong stuff in the wrong forum). They are "on topic" in other forums, but, pardon me if it's offensive, FUCKING with people for no reason other than to assert their control over this board and interfere with ideas and discussion.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is doing this, but a hallmark of this kind of activity is if they are being extreme, and being mean and rude, and not answering polite questions. That's the best thing to do when you think someone is trying to bother you, ask them polite very pointed questions about the topic, lots of questions, keep asking and others will see it if they don't give you polite reasonable replies. At some point, it is a good idea to consider just walking away. That's what I do and I don't talk to them again until they are polite and reasonable.

[sasha031]

11. Thank you so much for the advice, it is greatly appreciated patrice,

I've blocked gungeon threads long ago, and you are so right, we're seeing the overflow in allot of forum's.
There was a time, people who voted Dem were against violence & for gun control, things have changed.

[patrice]

16. We need more true teachers everywhere, people who can see a different way, because our

culture has truly gone blind to all but violence.

[RomneyLies]

2. The delicate flowers are terrified, terrified I tellz ya

They are fucking cowards who are terrified their blankies are going to be taken away.

[banned from Kos]

3. Argue its exact meaning but the 2nd Amendment is reality.

And the reality-based community should know it.

[patrice]

6. You know? People wouldn't mind that so much if that's what actually happened. But we get BULLSHIT

pretending to be significant followed by packs of uninformed and rather mean cheer leaders . . .
because this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022010244 is what is going on.

[michigandem58]

4. Gun porn in the wake of children being massacred

and all to try and upset people in their grief. That person has got problems more serious than even they realize.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Why dies DU even need a gungeon?

Seriously, aren't there enough places on the web where enthusiasts can discuss guns?

It creates a lot of animosity on an otherwise good site.

[Kaleva]

7. Can't actually discuss guns in GC/RKBA

It violates the SOP of that group. One can post about guns in the Outdoor Life group.

Edit: One can get around that restriction in GC/RKBA by framing the discussion as part of self defense, gun control or guns used in crimes.

[Hugabear]

12. Because it gives right-wingers a safe haven on DU?

[msongs]

10. there is NO right to carry concealed weapons in the constitutution nt

[patrice]

14. One would think that DOES violate the "well regulated" requirement of the 2nd Amendment. &

What do you think of this critique? Lastlib, here at DU, started this conversation several months ago:

Have you noticed a tendency to ignore or outright delete the 3rd comma in the original text of the 2nd Amendment?

The original text of the 2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and
bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Though many people have little idea of the mechanics of the logic of independent and subordinate clauses, which is applied by means of commas, the founding fathers were educated men with pretty conservative attitudes towards the grammar and mechanics of English composition, so there's a huge difference in the logic of the 2nd amendment with the 3rd comma that they used, compared to without it.

The 3rd comma makes "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" a SUBORDINATE clause, NOT part of the main clause.

Without the 3rd comma, which apparently is a frequent "mistake" (or people just talk about the amendment as though there is no 3rd comma in it) the main clause seems to be "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and the other two phrases are modifiers of that sentence.

With the 3rd comma the main clause is, "A well regulated militia, , , shall not be infringed", establishing a REGULATED defense, with 2 subordinate clauses that modify that something like this:

"Militia" in "A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed" is modified by a verbal/participle functioning as an adjective making it a "Militia" "being necessary to the security of a free State".

- and -

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" is another verbal, an infinitive in this case, functioning as an appositive noun, which re-states and adds information about the form of the regulated militia as a collective right of the people. That makes it the collective right of the people to a well regulated militia.

Please watch your emails and other places people quote or talk about the 2nd Amendment and see if this is true.

[needledriver]

20. Except that the States didn't ratify a version with three commas:

As passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Where does two commas leave you?

[patrice]

21. 2 commas? That's only 1. At any rate you still have the modifier, in whole or in part, depending upo

n whether we're talking about 2 commas, now, or just 1, as in your example, which modifier contains the descriptors "a well regulated militia", which, as I understand it, is the bone of contention at this point.

[needledriver]

29. Quite right. Comma counting fail!

A well educated public being necessary to the function of a democratic republic, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.

So who gets to keep and read books - the people, or the public?

[AldoLeopold]

27. Too many revere the "Founding Fathers" and refuse to go against their will

I have enough respect for them to, I think, rightfully assume, that all good and wise fathers desire their children to grow up and make their own decisions.

I think they, all of them, would be the first one to tell us that they were not gods. Yet, why do we treat them as such?

[closeupready]

13. Ask the administrators.

[intaglio]

15. Because it is time that the general DU community

jumped all over these persons of restricted parentage, rather than leaving them to fester in the slime pit called RKBA forum.

And guess what? That is what has been happening!

[WilliamPitt]

17. The gun owners are the real victims in all this.

Stick around and they'll tell you all about it.

[tjwash]

18. sadly...this OP will most likely get locked

While the obvious troll with less than 25 posts who just copied and pasted a bunch of strawmen off of the NRA website will be allowed to keep their OP up.

Kind of sad to see how far DU has slid in the past couple of year.

[sasha031]

19. if that's the case, I just contributed to DU

will ask for a refund, very much doubt it would happen.
But the money is so much better spent on the Brady Campaign.

[Recursion]

22. Because the Democratic party platform affirms our support for gun rights?

And because in the wake of big news stories mods tend to let OP's about gun control stay in GD for a while.

Also, "gun porn" usually means posts with pictures of guns. Posts talking about concealed carry laws are about policy.

[sasha031]

23. they have been here consistently

It would be best if all talk about 2nd amend rights stay in the gun forum under the circumstances.

I am sure that I'm not alone is that sentiment.

[Recursion]

24. Usually it settles down after a few days

From what I remember it's like this after every mass shooting. But never after the much more common "guy shoots his wife" stories.

[Honeycombe8]

25. I haven't seen any. Are you looking for them? nt

[Cleita]

26. They have taken over.

We were having a reasonable discussion about possible solutions and they have swept in with the old tired NRA gun ownership talking points and lack of reasoning. Its the same old shitty talking points that I have heard every time there was a gun incident and that dates back almost fifteen years for me.

It makes me really determined now to get something done.

No more dead babies and no more innocent victims from now on.

[AldoLeopold]

28. They have the same talking points my father gives

and he is the most conservative Republican I have ever known.

Though he was not always so. I hope the admins do their duty sooner rather than later.