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You think we will regret filibuster reform if we lose the senate in 2014? (Original Post) NNguyenMD Dec 2012 OP
It's still the right thing to do. (nt) Skinner Dec 2012 #1
"It still takes a supermajority to overrule presidential vetoes." - that is why the answer is no, PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #2
You think... TDale313 Dec 2012 #3
No (with explanation) frazzled Dec 2012 #4
My guess is that next time the Republicans control the Senate, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #5
No, because when republicans are a majority, there are always enough dems SoCalDem Dec 2012 #6
Not right away, but when the pendulum swings back, we could. ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #7
If it sucks when the Repugnants use it rustydog Dec 2012 #8

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. "It still takes a supermajority to overrule presidential vetoes." - that is why the answer is no,
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:55 PM
Dec 2012

at least until 2016.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. You think...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:07 PM
Dec 2012

Republicans wouldn't change the rule themselves immediately if they got the majority? Just cause we played nice with them?

The Senate is completely broken, the rules have been completely abused, and the fixes being proposed are actually not that drastic. I say it's long past time for filibuster reform.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. No (with explanation)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:20 PM
Dec 2012

The filibuster will still be preserved under the various reform proposals being considered. It will just be more constrained and it will take more effort. And that's as it should be, for either side. When there is a truly important issue to be filibustered by the minority, they can still do it. It will have to be more public, however. And it will have to involve speaking to the public to reveal the reasons for the action. And it will be rarer. Whether it's our side or theirs, filibuster should only be used in cases of important ideological opposition, not just to exert minority power against the majority or the White House against every nomination and every dipshit bill.

To get change, you must give up things. It's totally worth making these reforms to achieve this change. If it's wrong for their side, it's wrong for ours.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. My guess is that next time the Republicans control the Senate,
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:51 PM
Dec 2012

they will push through their own version of filibuster reform, which will go beyond anything the Dems are doing now, but they will point to the current reform as justification ("they changed the filibuster, so can we&quot .

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
6. No, because when republicans are a majority, there are always enough dems
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:58 PM
Dec 2012

who will side with them and vote for their shitty bills anyway.. we rarely do more than threaten to filibuster but in such a weak way, that the republicans know we are not serious, & they ram everything they want through with no filibuster from us.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
7. Not right away, but when the pendulum swings back, we could.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:30 PM
Dec 2012

Alternatively when the repukes have the Senate again, they can make it even easier to ride rough shod over us.

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