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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is the environmental damage from shooting?
and what is the potential damage and pollution once spent ammunition enters it?
Skinner
(63,645 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)but at this moment it just don't sound right given the recent tragic event. You may recall I'm UK and as such in accord with the great majority of our population completely against gun ownership other than for the pupose of recognised sport - competitive target shooting whatever. As such please don't take my comment as being pro gun in any way.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)In general heavy metals aren't good things. Good shooting ranges have linings below their berms so that the metals don't get into the groundwater.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Basically unnoticeable when compared to other forms of pollution.
Lead was mined widely in the US, with lead mines all across the country. Not so much any more. Most of our lead comes from other places. Now, lead mining is a big polluter. Metallic lead isn't so much. It can kill some wildlife, if consumed by that wildlife, but that's about it, and the numbers are quite low, actually.
It's not a very good argument, I'm afraid.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you seem to know all about the levels of pollution and that it's below them, do expound on this for us.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)fishing sinkers and the like. The risk is of them being eaten by predators. Some lead does enter the water if it's altered to a water soluble chemical, but that's far more likely in lead mining districts where water-soluble lead minerals already exist naturally.
It's really not a huge issue, frankly. Man-made chemicals are a much bigger problem.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)water. Lead isn't actually man made. It's just extracted from its ores. When I say chemicals, I mean chemical compounds. We humans make many of those. Many are soluble in water, and some are organic. They're a much greater risk that metallic lead.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)look mister, you're supposed to eat Lucky Charms, not snort them.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)out of the ground. There were oil slicks on the creek near my home. They were all natural seeps. The Chumash Indians in the area used the tar like oil that seeped out of the ground to waterproof baskets and other objects.
Of course, we've managed to go get lots of oil and use it in lots of ways, thereby polluting much more area. We're good at that. Lots of metals are poisonous to living things. Copper, lead, antimony, and many others. They occur in nature. We've exploited those deposits for our technology, some of which I am using to write this post on DU.
Technology can move poisons from one place to another and create some real problems. However, the lead used in bullets, shotgun shot, and fishing sinkers is one of the less problematic metals, since the lead is in its metallic form. It's still an issue, but there is more lead in all those cars driving around spewing other pollutants than in all the bullets you can imagine. From the car's battery to the weights used to balance your tires and the solder used in its wiring, it's a much more dangerous source of lead. Water soluble compounds of lead are formed inside your car's battery. That's why there are battery recycling programs out there. It used to be that they were just dumped in landfills, where that lead compound leached out.
There are many reasons to restrict firearms ownership. Lead pollution is not one of them. It's a very tiny part of the lead put into the environment by technology. Up until recent years, just about all the paint used on everything had lead in it. Why? Because lead oxide is a great white pigment, one that has never been equaled. Lead makes great bullets and fishing sinkers, too. It's cheap and heavy, the two primary requirements.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)please fast forward to some year that is later than 1991 and try again, but this time, try not to be blitheringly wrong.
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(7,776 posts)Because of the large number of cars and trucks in the U.S., the total amount of lead used as wheel weights is staggering. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, about 65,000 tons of lead wheel weights are in use on the over 200 million cars and trucks that are driven in the U.S. About 2,000 tons of these weights fall from vehicles every year and into roadways. Most wheel weights are lost on city streets when vehicles hit curbs, bounce over potholes, stop or accelerate suddenly, or turn sharply. Once lost from the vehicle, these leady wheel weights release lead into the environment -- when they are worn down by traffic, lead is spread around by wind or water. And when roadsides are close to reservoirs or other water bodies used as sources of drinking water, this lead can end up in our drinking water. Lead dust can also be tracked by people and pets inside homes and other buildings.
http://www.ceh.org/what-we-do/eliminating-toxics/water-pollution
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=lead+pollution&as_epq=wheel+weights&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)but that said, since you recognize the problem, of course, it goes without saying that you favor taking action to prevent lead pollution from guns as well.
thank you.
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(7,776 posts)to melt down and make bullets...
Same thing with fired bullets.
Once a year, my range has a volunteer clean-up day.
Repairs to structures, raking up, picking up debris, repairing target retrieval systems, and recovering fired rounds from the back stops and berms.
Last time (IIRC), 2-3 55gal drums worth were recovered from the indoor range alone.
CreekDog
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(7,776 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
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(7,776 posts)never got into DIY casting as roughly %90 (not counting .22LR), of my firearms utilize jacketed ammo, and the cost effectiveness .vs time and effort was never really worth it.
It might be something worth reexamining if I worked a tire service center or mechanics shop (or knew someone who worked at one).
Bake
(21,977 posts)Honestly, some of the arguments being made here are inane (sorry, CreekDog!). There ARE good arguments to be made, but this isn't one of them.
Bake
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:18 PM - Edit history (1)
My point was that there is environmental pollution, but I didn't make the point in order to justify gun control. I actually made the point in hopes that people would realize this and understand that there are some other aspects of recreational gun use that are not harmless...and perhaps deal with it.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)Swans, geese, pheasants are affected in our wetlands - death. Predators that eat them are also affected.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)I really think all that exposure to lead shot had something to do with it.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Clay target shooter on the other hand do and they tend to be reloaders. I have seen people eat and drink while reloading...dumb thing to do.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Your attempt at deflection is a good reminder that they need to be outlawed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Happened due to an idiot target shooting in the brush during a red flag warning. One man died, and from memory, 15 homes were destroyed.
It was not pretty.
Oh you mean lead and all that, there is some, but as far as I know...it has not been quantified.