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SWAT cops to ask for IDs from everyone in Arkansas townIn order to bring crime down, residents of Paragould may soon have to endure police officers brandishing semi-automatic assault riddles on the regular. Whats more, Stovall says, is he intends to have the cops collecting identification from everyone and anyone in an attempt to discourage criminal activity.
"This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this," Stovall said, according to the Paragould Daily Press. "It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."
We will be asking for picture identification. We will be ascertaining where the subject lives and what they are doing in the area. We will be keeping a record of those we contact.
More here, including a pic of a SWAT tank...uhhh...car?
http://rt.com/usa/news/swat-guns-paragould-arkansas-224/
marybourg
(12,631 posts)msongs
(67,413 posts)AlexSatan
(535 posts)Obviously there is the court system to go through first.
By the time that happens, the cops will recognize all of the locals who should be there and the bad elements will have decided to avoid the area. So there will not be much of a group left who cares enough to push it.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)like that? Martial law? Who declared martial law and why?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)the answers are in there.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)That's bullshit. Especially since there are a lot of good Dem "gun nuts" here on DU. If you don't believe it, just take a look at GD. Anybody who doesn't call for banning all guns MUST be a gun nut.
Bake
liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)Eric the Reddish
(106 posts)Newsjock
(11,733 posts)... Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.
Stovall said task force members would not even be required to be looking for a specific suspect before stopping citizens on the street.
"Anyone that's out walking, because of the crime and the fear factor, (could be stopped)," he said.
Should an individual not produce identification, Stovall said his officers would not back down. Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.
... On Friday, however, Gaskill retreated from the severity of the plan he and Stovall offered to citizens at the town hall.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)to every power hungry no neck mayor in the country.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)"Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what we're doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? We're not going to take a lot of flack."
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Standing up there in front of that huge American Flag, tossing machismo around with wild abandon.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)This one will pulled back in line soon enough.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)This won't last long. They can't legally do that.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The crime rate went up substantially between 2003 and 2005. Either something happened or they weren't reporting truthfully before.
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Paragould-Arkansas.html
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I notice the place has about a quarter of the pop. in the age group of 25-40...
and that most of the "crime wave" is in the area of burglary, theft, etc. which indicates drugs might be a problem.
Even tho the census demographics stop at 2010, it also looks like the overall rates were decreasing from 2007.
Also of note is that the pop. is mostly white, which rules out a race factor.
I have a feeling this may be the start of distrubing trend, and looks like a solution in search of a problem.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)In our little town's ( pop. 6,000) weekly paper ( owned by a big wig Repub, natch) awhile back was a headline:
"Citizens complain of people walking around at night "
reading the article, it was clear that one or 2 groups of "youths" had suddenly developed a habit of" walking around "
in a lower income mixed race neighborhood, after dark.
race was not mentioned.
age was guessed at, by the complaining "citizens" as being somewhere between 18 and early 20's.
Sheriff's office vowed to investigate and "put a stop" to this nefarious practice. In big type. On the front page.
Have'nt heard of any "problems" since.
What non-southerners need to know is that in these small towns, people do not "walk aorund" at night.
Usually houses are lights out by 10 pm, everybody indoors, most are asleep.
So a group of older "youths" wandering around an entire area after dark is looked at with much suspicion.
Esp. if they are not white.
Mayberry is a strange place at times.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)And people call the cops. That's fine. What that small city is doing, though, is something entirely different. It's frightening, and illegal.
I grew up in a town of 6000 in California. You're right, it was lights out early there, too. Anyone out after 10 PM was suspicious.
jody
(26,624 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Why do threads on the award-winning piece in the Village Voice about the Schoolcraft Tapes drop like stones, but *this* gets outrage?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002449690
eta: Grammar
eta2: To be clear, I'm not defending this AR town's actions, I'm just as pissed at this as I am at Bloomberg in NYC.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I remember the threads about it.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)He was very supportive of gun control, of Bloomberg, and of the stop and frisk policing.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)If it saves just one child..
Sorry, infringements on our basic rights piss me the hell off.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The person does not have to give the police identification.
The police can proceed to stop and frisk if they have some reason.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)"Some reason" ends up being, "because my numbers need a bump" for the NYPD.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-03-07/news/the-nypd-tapes-confirmed/
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)have lost their fucking minds.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Maybe his trooper in Arkansas can do better than the Stasi.
cali
(114,904 posts)Hardly a reliable source.
Newsjock
(11,733 posts)It's in the local paper, and the AP picked it up as well.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)There is nothing to fear but fear itself....
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)people dont want strangers to come along and shoot them but how do you know who's gonna shoot you unless you start checking people (btw im not for this) but then you give up more of your right to not be hasseled by the man? is curfew next?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I'd either have a friendly chat with the officers, or sue the town into bankruptcy for false arrest and wrongful prosecution.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Dixiegrrrrl - I know that's not your type-o, it's in the article.
Is that when someone walks up to you, asks: "What building has the most stories?" and before you can answer they ask: "What is broken every time its spoken?" and before you can answer they ask: "What gets wetter when it dries?" etc...
Or is it when someone has "Take away the whole and some still remains. What is it?" written on a stick that they hit you with?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Because, you know how evil Tom riddle was.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)I think.
surrealAmerican
(11,361 posts)... two at mid day, and fills you full of holes in the evening?"
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Can I get one wrapped up in a real-tree camouflage mystery, and barrel-shrouded in an enigma?
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)A lot of people I used to know in high school are real right wing nutty. When Obama won I bet a lot of folks went for the bomb shelters and storm cellars.
onethatcares
(16,168 posts)just some bullshit about crime has increased by 4x in certain areas and in others maybe by 3x.
Anyone got numbers of what kind of crime? Hell, letting your dog crap on the sidewalk and not picking it up is a crime.
progree
(10,908 posts)"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," added Mayor Gaskill, "but they're going to have to prove it."
(Speaking of dogs. The above quote is in the article in the OP's link -- http://rt.com/usa/news/swat-guns-paragould-arkansas-224/
couldn't resist).
I jog 3 X a week.... I wonder how many times I would be stopped.... And how do I prove that I'm "just jogging" and not running away from a crime scene?
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)So they're going to joke us to death?
0rganism
(23,955 posts)"And you'd better answer correctly or we're hauling your ass in."
Clearly this man has taken over Arkansas:
Music Man
(1,184 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)make a visit to that fucking town.
First off, no one needs to carry ID.
Idiots!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Assault weapons but can't talk about a civilian assault weapons ban because they really aren't assault weapons?
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)There is NO law that requires that one carry identification. Drivers must have licenses when they drive, but it is NOT a requirement to have one otherwise. the USA has categorically REJECTED the idea of any kind of national ID. What part of this do those assholes not understand?
They're just trying to intimidate, as many people feel like they're obliged to answer or comply with a request if it is asked by a police officer.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)Yakima tried a version of this..gang violence still atrocious, drive by shootings still common place, burglary still a problem.
Try being neighbors again, do you know who lives in your neighborhood? Do you know your kids inthe neighborhood? Do you know who doesn't belong?
Have you reported suspicious persons, activity.
it takes personal involvement,not entrenchment.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)I thought I lived in America - land of the free, guess I am wrong. Jack-booted self righteous thugs will be patrolling the streets.
A town of 26,000 people and they have a fully equipped SWAT team - who arranged that? Because who ever did that is probably the biggest criminal in Paragould.
But shouldn't the mayor be asking what the police department/sheriff's office has been doing? What changed between 2010 and 2012?
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/arkansas/paragould.html
2010 Crime (Actual Data)* Incidents
Aggravated Assault 63
Arson 5
Burglary 526
Forcible Rape 15
Larceny and Theft 1,164
Motor Vehicle Theft 64
Murder and Manslaughter 0
Robbery 8
Crime Rate (Total Incidents) 1,779
Property Crime 1,754
Violent Crime 86
2012 Crime (Projected Data)* Incidents
Aggravated Assault 109
Arson 6
Burglary 733
Forcible Rape 18
Larceny and Theft 1,480
Motor Vehicle Theft 87
Murder and Manslaughter 0
Robbery 12
Crime Rate (Total Incidents) 2,330
Property Crime 2,305
Violent Crime 138
Stovall has said that any individual who does not produce identification could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation.
Im hoping we dont run across [any] of that, Stovall said. Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what were doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? Were not going to take a lot of flack. .....
Paragould Chief Stovall is adamant though. Citizens will be stopped and asked to produce ID and a reason for being on the street. They may not be doing anything but walking their dog, he said. But theyre going to have to prove it.
When I go walking and/or walking my dog - I do not carry ID - how many people do?
This is a very dangerous precedent and one that needs to be stopped quickly.