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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:08 PM Dec 2012

Scarborough bucks NRA and past ‘ideologies’ to back gun ban

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, who had received an A rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA) while he was in Congress, says that after last week’s massacre of 20 elementary school children that “the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant,” and he is now backing a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity clips.In an unusual commentary segment Monday on Morning Joe, Scarborough connected to the recent tragedy by noting that his own children were the age of those killed and one of his children has Asperger’s syndrome.



Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo,” he explained. “They must instead be forced to defend our children. Parents can no longer take no for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting our children. The violence we see spreading from shopping malls in Oregon to movie theaters in Colorado to college campuses in Virginia to elementary schools in Connecticut — it’s being spawned by a toxic brew of popular culture, a growing mental health crisis and the proliferation of combat-style weapons.”

“I am a conservative Republican who received the NRA’s highest ratings over four terms in Congress,” he continued. “I saw this debate over guns as a powerful, symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control… I’ve spent the last few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers, while daring to question my long-held beliefs on these subjects.”
Scarborough concluded: “I knew that day that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want, that I demand for my children. Friday changed everything. It must change everything. We all must begin anew and demand that Washington’s old way of doing business is no longer acceptable. Entertainment moguls don’t have an absolute right to glorify murder while spreading mayhem in young minds across America. And our Bill of Rights does not guarantee gun manufacturers the absolute right to sell military-style, high-caliber, semi-automatic combat assault rifles with high-capacity magazines to whoever the hell they want. It is time for Congress to put children before deadly dogmas.”



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Scarborough bucks NRA and past ‘ideologies’ to back gun ban (Original Post) octoberlib Dec 2012 OP
Sure, Joe. SoCalDem Dec 2012 #1
At least he has gone on the record. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #4
I'm listening o this right now sasha031 Dec 2012 #2
I did a search and didn't find this thread ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #3
No worries. Done the same. octoberlib Dec 2012 #9
Thanks - I deleted mine. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #10
I suspect he never really agreed with it all, but went along to get along (and the NRA endorsement.) reformist2 Dec 2012 #5
It's very hard and humbling ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #6
For Joe to say that -- that is BIG goclark Dec 2012 #8
It is big. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #11
As conservative pundits go, he is one of the better ones democrattotheend Dec 2012 #13
The rats are starting to jump off the ship... ellisonz Dec 2012 #7
I don't mean to single you out ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #12
I'm much more forgiving toward our Democratic friends who have fallen for the gun trap... ellisonz Dec 2012 #14
I'm not talking about forgiveness or holding hands. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #17
I think it comes from spending too much time... ellisonz Dec 2012 #19
Maybe just being on the Internet period. LOL ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #20
Ready to talk about Laochtine Dec 2012 #15
The man has maddening moments of lucidity, doesn't he? Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #16
This guy reminds me of my college friend who started off Republican... Taverner Dec 2012 #18

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
1. Sure, Joe.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:16 PM
Dec 2012

Easy to choose sides now.. We'll see how the wind is blowing later .

He may be positioning himself to run for office again...and not as a lowly congressman.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
3. I did a search and didn't find this thread
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:28 PM
Dec 2012

when I posted the same thing. I apologize.

This is what needs to happen - high profile people speaking out and reversing their stance.

All the pissing and moaning and screaming about NRA nuts and a high profile reverses his position and nobody cares? Seriously?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
5. I suspect he never really agreed with it all, but went along to get along (and the NRA endorsement.)
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:33 PM
Dec 2012

I suspect there are many Repugs like this. Their party operates like a tyranny. But then one day the injustice and insanity of the views you're supposed to parrot become intolerable, and your conscience forces you to speak the truth, no matter what the consequences.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
6. It's very hard and humbling
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
Dec 2012

to reverse positions, especially publicly. I know how hard it was for my parents and brother to admit they were wrong and change course. I don't' much like Joe but it couldn't have been easy for him to do this.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
8. For Joe to say that -- that is BIG
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dec 2012

He may have his faults but at least he is on the right side of the issue.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
11. It is big.
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:51 PM
Dec 2012

I remember when my father, with whom I had many arguments over GWB, called and apologized and admitted I was right and he was wrong. He was embarrassed and at 80 years of age it was hard for him to change, but change he did. He voted for President Obama both times. I was proud of him for having the courage to say "I was wrong". My brother has recently done a complete turnaround over many issues, including a woman's right to choose and gay marriage. HUGE change and a hard one but he has even spoken up to right wingers in our family. I'm proud of him, too.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
13. As conservative pundits go, he is one of the better ones
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:57 PM
Dec 2012

I wouldn't say he's completely fair, but he has been critical of Republicans at times, and he wasn't predicting a Romney landslide like a lot of the other delusional GOP pundits.

I give him props for what he did today...I was concerned over the weekend that you were only seeing mostly liberal Democrats from the Northeast and California come out in favor of stricter gun laws. Having people like Scarborough, as well as Warner and Manchin, go on the record in favor of tighter gun laws makes me more optimistic that it can actually happen.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
12. I don't mean to single you out
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:54 PM
Dec 2012

or to be a smart ass but if people are starting to rethink their positions, maybe it is time to stop the name calling. I'm guilty of it myself.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
14. I'm much more forgiving toward our Democratic friends who have fallen for the gun trap...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:03 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022012562

But Joe Scarborough is a special case. For the better part of the last decade he has spent his time for substantial compensation ranting in support of the right-wing. It's not news that we have a gun problem in this country that results in horrific mass shootings, but I'm not going to bend over back to hold Republican hands on this issue.

This message of doing something about the gun madness in this country isn't new:

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
20. Maybe just being on the Internet period. LOL
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:07 PM
Dec 2012

I know there's a lot of anger all over the Internet right now.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
16. The man has maddening moments of lucidity, doesn't he?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:38 PM
Dec 2012

But when he's right, he's right. Sure, he's conservative to the bone, but he's the kind of conservative that can be negotiated with -- unlike the Louie Gohmerts of their party.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
18. This guy reminds me of my college friend who started off Republican...
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:10 PM
Dec 2012

And had never paid attention in History classes until then.

Time after time, he learned how "great" America was when they killed these people, or started a war with another...

At the end he was a Green-leaning Dem..,.


There's always hope for a conversion or two

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