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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThese photos are not funny, & these people could be your neighbors.
Just the average family next door to you, right down the street from you. Some of these photos have the kids also packing assault rifles and pistols.
I wonder how many heavily armed Americans there are altogether? I wonder if my next door neighbor might have a stockpile. And every one of these assholes is frothing at the mouth to kill somebody, and every one of these morons is preparing for war.
Just the average American family, right next door to you.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)They look sickeningly familiar.....
villager
(26,001 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Mention of the latter inexorably implies -- and confirms -- the former.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)I do NOT mean to disparage the good Democrats of the state, even the gun owning Democrats.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)They're scum...knr
Philosoraptor
(15,019 posts)Maybe that little boy will have mental problems, and growing up in a house full of loaded weapons certainly won't help.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)are building a little psychopath from the bottom up.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)These people are scary.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I own guns, but I swear to God, those idiots make me want to puke.
Doodler71
(443 posts)catbyte
(34,393 posts)Irresponsible assholes.
rivegauche
(601 posts)Those photos show exactly why these horrors happen here -- because we invite them. Every gun-owner in Ameica is fuckig gguilty. Yeah I said it. I am SICK TO THE TITS of you and your fucking rights to kill. I'm SICK of the culture of violence, the joy of killing, the party of murder and mayhem. Go on, celebrate your proud 2nd amendment rights and bury your 6-year-olds, you scum.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)EXACTLY!!!!!!
The legend of the vampire, who may not enter a house unless invited, illustrates a deep truth.
Everything depends on what we as human beings do.
Do we choose to change? Do we choose to backbite and submerge ourselves in petty trivialities?
Do we determine (and re-determine, and re-determine again) to do better in any given moment, in our individual arena?
Bake
(21,977 posts)Obviously you're so upset you can't even type, but really, EVERY gun owner?
That is without a doubt the most asinine thing I've seen on DU. Ever.
Bake
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)I'm about out of patience with you Responsible Gun Owners® too. I'd stick to getting wasted and playing guitar if I were you, Bake.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Sure, I understand people being upset. I'm upset about the massacre. I've said elsewhere in GD, several times, that I would support an assault weapons ban.
But the post to which I responded? Asinine, and obviously has no place in rational discussion. All gun owners are guilty? Of what? Breaking the law? Nope. Killing schoolchildren? Nope. So I repeat, this is the most asinine comment I've ever seen on DU, and it has no place in any rational discussion of gun control.
Banning all guns is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY. NEVER. There's a lot of knee-jerk crap being spouted here since the tragedy. But a total ban (some go so far as to call for confiscation of all guns) is just never going to happen. I'd vote against it, and a lot of other Dems would too. So let's talk about RATIONAL common-sense gun control, like an assault weapons ban.
And I'm sorry for your dearth of patience. That's your problem. I responded to your post in a rational way, without resorting to ad hominem b.s. or slurs like your "getting wasted" comment, which frankly I don't appreciate.
Bake
Warpy
(111,266 posts)This is a rough area and I imagine most of them have guns.
You'd have to change the skin color, though. Most of my neighbors are brown, with a sprinkling of the rest of the human rainbow.
Philosoraptor
(15,019 posts)I'm in the Kansas City area.
doc03
(35,340 posts)will sell out of Bushmasters by the end of this week. People were standing in line for them at Cabela's in Wheeling this weekend.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Lurv Lurv Lurv um
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)What kind of moron would give that little blonde kid a loaded gun, unless they want the kid to shoot himself "accidentally."
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)Skittles
(153,163 posts)time to let them know exactly how wrong they are
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)the next shooter decides to bust in and open fire at the next mall, or darkened theater, or beauty shop, or school? Do they carry these things along and have them at the ready?
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Hey there
Philosoraptor
(15,019 posts)Erose999
(5,624 posts)anyone suspicious around and that someone had knocked on his door but he didn't see anyone there when he came to the door. Told me about how he had his gun on him in case anything bad was going on.
I told him maybe it was trick-or-treaters.
It was halloween, after all.
Maraya1969
(22,480 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)to the rest of the sane world? Death-porn loving, gun-humping sociopaths.
ETA: Just look at that grinning asshole in the second photo--hugging his first love, an AK-whatever, closer than his son. The kid is obviously a secondary interest. You can see his hierarchy of priorities.
Skittles
(153,163 posts)they have long tried to normalize and mainstream their fear and ignorance but thinking Americans are fed up with them
Philosoraptor
(15,019 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)sasha031
(6,700 posts)these things are something else all together....
llmart
(15,540 posts)In fact, they actually think the opposite.
"Boy, I bet my neighbors think of me as the ultimate macho man who'll save their life one day with my high powered rifle and I'll be a hero. That hot chick at work is probably fantasizing about me because I keep bragging to everyone around how many guns I have."
Or some version of that.
As someone who is a psychologist just told me, stop trying to apply rational thought to irrational people.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)llmart
(15,540 posts)I've made it a point to keep the crazies out of my life. I don't have enough years left on this earth to waste any time on them.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Or both:
llmart
(15,540 posts)Another ridiculous gun nut comparison. One photo from a different era has nothing to do with what we live with now.
Maybe you can Google Annie Oakley and post that one too, huh? That would sure change some minds - NOT.
And now, I'll once again use the Ignore feature.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)was not a first lady of the united states of america either. When campaigning for civil rights in tennessee, Mrs. Roosevelt kept a handgun in her glove box for protection from those who wanted to stop her.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Just a matter of degree, same statement is being made.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Joe wasn't near as mean, though, he was a good egg.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)But don't you just love how these gun morans think that they even have to show off the boxes of bullets?
renie408
(9,854 posts)Mel Content
(123 posts)or did you just forget the sarcasm tag?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Mel Content
(123 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)he kind of looks like he is silently screaming, "HELP ME".
Mel Content
(123 posts)how can you tell his "eyes are a little bugged out"..? one eye is totally blocked by his hat, and the other is partially covered. and he's wearing glasses.
renie408
(9,854 posts)I see what I saw. I had no idea that it would bother you so much you would feel that it needed pursuing. Not that I give a rat's ass.
Are you also chastising the other poster who thinks he looks a little freaked?
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)They won't shoot me instead of paying me, will they? It's just a gig."
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Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Try family..
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Which really sucks butt.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)and let him fire a machine gun, which immediately shot him dead as the father watched?
Blue Owl
(50,383 posts)n/t
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)Especially their hatred and paranoia (such as doomsday preppers), I am scared to death of my neighbors. Some are decent gun owners and hunters, but there are some who have "hate Obama" signs and confederate flags. All my home doors will be locked from now on.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)They worship their cold metal phalluses more than anything else.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)guns.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)alp227
(32,025 posts)really served in the military?
Maraya1969
(22,480 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)the answer is always "because I don't want to get randomly shot". Go figure.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I honestly cannot fathom that mindset at all. To choose an instrument of death as one's most cherished talisman, as the outward manifestation of one's inner spirit. It's incomprehensible to me.
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Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)duhneece
(4,113 posts)On youtube: Armed Protest in New Mexcio (shows dogs with guns in holsters (who knows if they were loaded?))
Alamogordo Tea Party Protest, January 2, 2010
(I"m at the very end of this one with a sign supporting our President and healthcare for all)
More Tea Party Protest, Alamogordo, January 2, 2010.mov
You're so right...these armed gun nuts ARE my neighbors. Sad, scared folks.
Maraya1969
(22,480 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and *THIS* is why so many kids are killed with their parents weapons
cecilfirefox
(784 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)into combat. See how long they last.
commonsensevoter
(3 posts)These people will be the first one you come to begging for help when something bad goes down. Whether it be a crazy person shooting up your town, a military take over of your area or when someone is robbing you. You want to call these people morons but when the shit hits the fan, you will be begging them for help.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"WOLVERIIIIINEEES!!!!"
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I saw a preview for it.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Or will be shot dead.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)But the gun nuts will continue to delude themselves.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thanks, I needed that.
What a horrible vision this OP is showing us...
Vanje
(9,766 posts)People like these will be that crazy person.
Military takeover? These people will shoot me if I look hungry.
Robbery? Shit. Take my dumb stuff.Have it all! My crap isnt worth anyones' life.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Go back to your cave. If shit hits the fan and these are the only people that survive I'd rather be dead. Neanderthals.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)they prove themselves right, the will swear every step of the way was someone else's fault.
And, you know, I could live with all of that if it weren't for the fact that they VIOLATE MY RIGHTS AS A FREE PERSON TO CHOOSE MY OWN COURSE and the reason they are oppressors is because the nature of guns is unavoidably such that the consequences of their actions will not affect just them alone, but they don't care whose rights to self-determination and life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness they violate as long as they can have any gun they want.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We aren't gun worshippers and I am glad of it. I cannot understand the worship of guns. I cannot even stand the sight of one. Am I the only person that thinks that guns are just a sick fetish?
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)Don't you get pictures like this tucked into Christmas cards?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)The people in those pics aren't funny. They look ridiculous.
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Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)I have neighbors like that. Scary as hell.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)And this is one type of average American family.
I live in a rural area where lots of people have guns. I don't have a gun--and even if I did, I could never bring myself to shoot an animal. I couldn't even stand to go fishing. But other people hunt, and hunting keeps wild animal populations in check so that animals don't die a slow death of starvation.
But these are kind people who have helped me clear snow out of the driveway when there was too much for my little snowthrower to handle. They're the people who let us take cover in their basements during tornado warnings, because our house has no basement. They're the people who have mowed my lawn for free, when I got hurt and couldn't do it myself. These people are so much kinder than the people I used to live around in the city--people who freaked out over guns, but would let you die on the street rather than do anything to help.
(And yes, that very nearly happened to my uncle. He collapsed near his car, and people just walked right over him. He managed to crawl into his car and park it sideways on the road, to force somebody to call the police--who called an ambulance, and saved his life.)
But in the small town where I live, and where guns are just another tool, there's virtually no crime. And people help each other.
My friends and neighbors who own guns are not "frothing at the mouth to kill somebody". They're just hunters and/or collectors of guns. They're not even survivalists--they're barely prepared for tornadoes, let alone any apocalyptic breakdown of society, LOL.
It's nice to see someone who isn't spewing hatred.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Sorry these pictures look ridiculous.
I think they're silly too. That is not what most of the comments say, sadly.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The majority of people here are for gun control. A vocal minority are against it. You are welcome to challenge any post you want to my friend. There will be heated discussion because of last weeks tragedy.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Don't just assume I should viscerally feel them as "wrong" like you do. Articulate what's so offensive about them.
On edit: the one with the kid holding the gun wrong is troubling, yes.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously, I want to know why you think you know so much about these people based on what they're holding in a portrait.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)and that one boy is even holding a gun - incorrectly. Hope he doesn't blow his leg off.
Common sense people....buy some if need be.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)why the family pic with child holding gun is wrong, so pay attention. That child is no more than 3 years old, you never ever ever in life put a real gun in a baby's hands. And if you do, or you think it is just okey dokey - what's the prob, Bro? then you have as big of a problem mentally as that family. Your choice - which is it?
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)This is an actual part of America, and they're probably very nice people.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That seems like an odd thing to think.
flvegan
(64,408 posts)Any of those folks do something wrong that you all are collectively mocking them?
I mean bad pics aside.
But what I really love is this quote, "And every one of these assholes is frothing at the mouth to kill somebody, and every one of these morons is preparing for war."
Is that so?
Philosoraptor
(15,019 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)This is a clip from what I think was the very first SNL episode in 1975.
People who are old enough to remember might recognize that the parody was based on a cigarette commercial from a few years before that (Show us your Lark pack). In 1975, this was satire, today you wouldn't need actors.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75aguns.phtml
Pretty sure that I spotted Al Frankens former comedy partner, the late Tom Davis, on the truck.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Call The Poliiiiice"
RZM
(8,556 posts)The other two aren't because they are boring and also because arming a child is pretty creepy.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)I mean really really weak and pathetic.
former-republican
(2,163 posts)If they are felons and can't own guns arrest them.
Top pic has a minigun , the person probably owns the company and sells to our government
or it is only one of 3 privately held ones in the country.
Bottom pic has people out having fun shooting in the desert , so what..
wanttosavetheplanet
(19 posts)Well, not quite, but there is a family who lives right next door that has pictures very similar to these in their living room. They may as well be my neighbors. The slogan on my actual neighbor's picture (that shows him posing with 2 AK-47s pointing diagonally outward and upward from his hips) is "guns for Jesus". The only explanation I can come up with as to why these people are the way they are is the same one I come up with regarding fundamentalist extremists of all religions/ideologies: they have been brainwashed since birth.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Yikes.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Makes me want to emigrate ...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)problem neighbors with untrained dogs roaming around and large, loud trucks that they make sure you know are coming down the road with their loud music. Strange that they are all white people in your pictures. It's the same in my neighborhood. Although I know a tendency towards violence comes in all ethnicities. I know they have arsenals in their homes. I don't fear they will come and shoot me as they don't survive by criminal activity, but I am waiting for the day that they will kill each other and it will happen. There have already been incidents of violence on their property, particularly a son who hits his mother and then there is a fight between all the members of this extended family. The sheriffs are aware of the domestic violence but can't do anything but sit and wait for a tragedy to happen. The families live in two homes on the property.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Dark and twisted, phallus worshipping... a sick mix of domesticity with tools of murder, etc.
Iris
(15,657 posts)pure trash
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Tell me again that we don't have a sick Cult of the Gun in this country.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)That started the gun-nuts hysteria in the first place. Let's not meet them on their level.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and thieves come in the middle of the night to break into homes, maybe you'll be lucky and their homes will be broken into before yours.
Naw, the thieves will see the NRA stickers on their pickup trucks and windows, and decide to go for your house with the tofu containers in the trash...
llmart
(15,540 posts)was "Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed."
Styles828
(3 posts)I think the level of hatred and demonization here is chilling.
There are fringe-groups, in every bastion of society imaginable. The gross majority of gun owners are not in this fringe group. The majority of gun owners are responsible, level headed, law abiding citizens enjoying a legitimate sport. They are no more dangerous than the his hypothetical neighbour growing roses, or the college student renting the house across the street.
If the comments I am seeing here tonight were directed at any identifiable group but the easily vilified gun owners, it would be considered hate speech. This is appalling to see in an otherwise inclusive and modern society. Never in all my debates about all subjects under the sun have I seen this level of ignorance, hatred and absolutely corrosive language. Fifty-five Million American Citizens have just been dubbed 'assholes, frothing at the mouth with bloodlust' to paraphrase.
Ladies, Gentlemen, those with non-binary sexual identities, we as gun owners are not the boogeyman. We are not as portrayed by the media. We are not the ghoulish, lifestealing abominations the commenters in this thread believe us to be.
The first picture features an M134 Dillon Minigun. It is illegal for citizens to own. It is either a prop, or is owned by a weapons manufacturer doing Holiday Pictures. The woman is holding a Kalishnikov Variant. Civilian legal and well suited to hunting (a shock, I know). The man is holding an AR15 (Armalite Rifle model 15) Variant with what is supposed to look like the M203 grenade launcher. It in all likelihood is the more common 37mm flare launcher, attached to the rifle because the owner thinks it looks 'neat'. The AR15 is also an excellent hunting rifle. It is black and plastic because black plastic is light, durable and requires no oiling. The Machinegun appears to be an M60 GPMG. This one I may be mistaken on. It requires a Class III License to possess. They are yet to be used in a crime.
The second photo features two generic AR15 variants. As mentioned above, both suitable hunting rifles.
The third looks like a family shooting trip. One where the little tike is facing his first introduction to firearms, shooting, and all the safety with it. The comment that it is dangerous because the firearm is loaded is preposterous. It is beyond unlikely that a loaded (appears to be a glock, or perhaps another striker-fired pistol) handgun to a child. All the guns in this picture are hunting rifles or handguns. Nothing spicy in there, save for the attractive young woman in red. They all had a fun day and no-one shot up a pharmacy.
We, as firearms owners, are not frothing at the mouth. We do not long to kill. We do not get drunk and beat our wives. We are not religious lunatics waiting for doomsday. We are your doctors. Your soldiers. Your teachers, Lawyers, police officers, cabdrivers, construction workers, businessmen, fathers, mothers and tax bastards.
I, as a gun owner, hope I never am in a situation where I may have to take a life. The taking of life is something, even under entirely lawful and morally justified circumstances, that will change a person and stick with them forever. The very wise Dave Grossman is a man I would consider the world expert on human aggression, violence and the effects of those on society. I recommend his books highly. He writes on these subjects and it would be a great service for everyone, nomatter what their views, to read them.
Hunting both for sustenance and management is a good thing. No one is more concerned with and involved with the management and success of wild animals than the hunter. We fund it, we participate in it. We gain from it, as it in turn does from us. It is historically valid. It is currently relevant.
The continuing transubstantiation of guns for 'phalluses' is gratingly ignorant. I cannot kill a 3/4 tonne moose with my penis. I can with my hunting rifle. It will then go in to my freezer and provide me with freerange, organic meat for many months. I do not wish for a bigger penis. I don't own guns out of penis envy, spite or compensation. I own them for the same reason as I own any of my other tools. They fulfill a specific function. I cannot begin to imagine how the phallus argument would apply to the large and growing percentage of female shooters, including my wife. I don't care to imagine her filling a penis-insecurity with a firearm.
Stop the hatred. 1000 years ago it was the jews. 100 years ago it was blacks. 50 years ago it was gays and women. Now it is gunowners - be them hunters, sport shooters or collectors.
I would like to condemn in the strongest possible terms those who abuse firearms. People who commit acts of unprovoked violence are evil. I wish all these acts could be prevented, I really do. Mental health is in my opinion a bigger issue than is that of guns. Maybe this will be addressed by Obamacare. Maybe it will be addressed by the horrific tragedy in Newtown. I know when I heard about that terrifying act, I hugged my daughter tightly, and shed more than one tear for the victims and families of such unthinkable violence and mental illness.
If nothing else, take away from all I have written this: We are just like you. we have kids. We have wives. We have cars and jobs and houses. We care and vote and read and eat just like everyone else. Stop making us out to be monsters. Monsters we are not, no more than the Jews, Gays, Blacks and women hated before us. Attitudes like this are the reason there is violence in the world. The gun, knife, fist, bomb, and anything else that has ever been used to hurt someone was used in anger. In hatred. Because one party detested, hated or wouldn't accept another. Accept one-another. Even people who's skin is different. People who worship a different god, or none at all. People who are richer or poorer, more or less intelligent. People from all walks of life. People who are gay, straight or transgendered or curious. People who hunt. People who are shameful enough to speak with hatred.
Violence and murder need not be. They are both facilitated by the attitudes I see here. Love and care for, and watch it dissappear. Accept me as I have accepted all of you. Together, stand against violence. Against thuggery. Against corrupt and self serving politicians thriving on tragedy. Unite against the glorification of violence and death by the media. Unite for the simple reason on not being divided.
Love. Be loved. Care for and be cared for. Do not focus on the gun. Focus on people. People are the makers and doers of everything in this world.
-Dan
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)seriously needs to be taken from his parents. Handing a kid that young (What the fuck is he? Three or four?) a gun, loaded or not, is neglect.