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cecilfirefox

(784 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 01:53 AM Dec 2012

My Uncle tried to convince me Obama is a Muslimn today.

We were at the table eating, maybe playing Yahtzee, I can't remember exactly what we were doing. My Uncle is, by all accounts, a nice guy, and he does know my political leanings(everyone does, proud Democrat here). He asked me if I thought Obama was a Muslim, I said no, and then he tried to convince me that it was in his book "Dreams of/from my father", that he had written and said he was a Muslim, and that he had said the sound of Muslim's calling to prayer was the most beautiful thing he had ever heard. Flatly, I told him I sincerely doubted that.

I then ended it with, " What kind of a Muslim is he? He bombs the hell out of the middle east, supports women's rights, abortion rights, same-sex marriage.... Hell, he's a terrible Muslim if he is one! "

Some people, I swear... They'll believe anything.

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My Uncle tried to convince me Obama is a Muslimn today. (Original Post) cecilfirefox Dec 2012 OP
That calls for a food fight upi402 Dec 2012 #1
Yep Losing Progressive Radio In Seattle Sucks jthompson Dec 2012 #9
Seattle without progressive radio? AAAAGH! nightscanner59 Dec 2012 #13
AM 1090 is going off the air? say it isn't so. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #33
Thats because most of the day time AM listeners are white older men... WCGreen Dec 2012 #34
Muslimn? Muslim? Muslin? eridani Dec 2012 #2
He's just pulling the wool over your eyes; DON'T GET FLANNELED! Scootaloo Dec 2012 #3
I don't cotton to such humor; it's the worsted kind. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #19
You are just another Obama Denier. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #37
It's only a canvas sky, hanging over a muslin tree Bucky Dec 2012 #5
Everyone knows TlalocW Dec 2012 #4
No, he is a Communist, Fascist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Leninist, Leftist, Atheist, Agnostic, Elwood P Dowd Dec 2012 #6
Also, he turned me into a newt! TlalocW Dec 2012 #23
Forgot radical Liberation Christian theology believer, racist, gay, Republican socialist. freshwest Dec 2012 #40
I had the same person-- in the space of two minutes-- tell me Obama was both Marr Dec 2012 #7
Psssst... Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #38
Hidden truth cntrfthrs Dec 2012 #41
Sounds like he's repeating shit he hears on the radio/tv. A friend of mine used to... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #8
Just Another Republican Idiot jthompson Dec 2012 #10
I Thought Your Response... WiffenPoof Dec 2012 #11
Ask him why no one has noticed Obama praying facing Mecca 5 times per day! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2012 #12
World's worst Muslim JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #14
"My Uncle is, by all accounts, a nice guy." - You do realize, I hope, that if he seriously coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #15
I like to counter ideological attacks with questions like... Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #16
Tell Him That President Obama is not a Muslim, but.... Oldtimeralso Dec 2012 #17
You should have saidn, "I love you, but the idea that he is Muslim is simply NUTS." RBInMaine Dec 2012 #18
He drinks beer and it's made at the White House! fadedrose Dec 2012 #20
Brews his own beer and eats pork. That's my response to anyone that claims he's a Muslim. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #21
Good job, you left out, Osama Bin Laden is dead! LOL. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #22
Ask him what difference it makes DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #24
Make him a $500 bet that he can't find that "I'm a Muslim" confession in Dreams of my Father DeschutesRiver Dec 2012 #25
He also drinks. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #26
I'm not a Muslim, but the calls to prayer in Istanbul were indeed some of the cbayer Dec 2012 #27
As long as we have Fox News and right wing hate radio this is what we will get. Our country southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #28
My answer would have been--"so fucking what?" BigDemVoter Dec 2012 #29
You're all wrong, He's alien! nt cbrer Dec 2012 #30
Obama wouldn't even be considered as a Sufi. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #31
What would be wrong with being a Muslim? That's all I would say to that frankly. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32
One of my very right-wing in-laws tried to pull the birth certificate/Muslim card yesterday. PATXgirl Dec 2012 #35
Always good to scatter some facts, even into an irrational wind. DirkGently Dec 2012 #36
And why would it matter if he were? tuvor Dec 2012 #39
Ahh...having long ago put up the "I don't give a fuck if he is" shields TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #42

upi402

(16,854 posts)
1. That calls for a food fight
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:04 AM
Dec 2012

I blame the media. In Portland & Seattle the lone liberal radio station is going to sports. But there are plenty of powerful rightwing stations spewing that crap still on in those librul bastions of commiehood.

jthompson

(9 posts)
9. Yep Losing Progressive Radio In Seattle Sucks
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:32 AM
Dec 2012

Them corporate slimeballs don't want "progressive" radio in the least. Kill it they say!!!!

There is no way the fascists that own radio stations will tolerate voices that are anti-fascism.

All the while the wealthy of the world have 21 to 31 trillion stashed in the tax havens while they tell us we are broke.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=21+trillion+offshore

That's right. No money for kids meals in school, but 31 trillion in the Cayman Islands.

What are you going to do about it?

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
13. Seattle without progressive radio? AAAAGH!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:08 AM
Dec 2012

It's not the NPR station going off is it? That's about all I'd listen to up there when I could pick it up in Kitsap Co.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
34. Thats because most of the day time AM listeners are white older men...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:25 PM
Dec 2012

The progressive have much better things to do than listen to the same old same old day after day, week after week, month and month, year after year, decade after decade....

You get the picture.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. Muslimn? Muslim? Muslin?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

He is certainly not a Muslin. And probably not a Satinist or a Linenist either.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
5. It's only a canvas sky, hanging over a muslin tree
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:37 AM
Dec 2012

But it wouldn't be make-believe if you believed in me

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
6. No, he is a Communist, Fascist, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Leninist, Leftist, Atheist, Agnostic,
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:23 AM
Dec 2012

Black, White, Peace Loving, War Mongering, Tall, Short Guy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. Forgot radical Liberation Christian theology believer, racist, gay, Republican socialist.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:26 AM
Dec 2012

Oh, and baby killing crack head dope smoker. And cigarette smoking, diabolically sneaky smart and also dumb as a post, yet the anti-Christ! And doesn't put ketchup on hamburgers and his haircut is all wrong. Yeah, I think that covers it.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
7. I had the same person-- in the space of two minutes-- tell me Obama was both
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:28 AM
Dec 2012

A) a Muslim, and

B) a zealous member of Reverend Wright's church for 20 years



Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
8. Sounds like he's repeating shit he hears on the radio/tv. A friend of mine used to...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:30 AM
Dec 2012

...listen to Hannity and I'm sure some other of the right wing talkers and on the infrequent occasions where our conversations drifted into politics, he was always bringing up these obscure little weird points and trying to blow them up way out of proportion. It didn't really hit me until I thought about some of the stuff he said that he wasn't actually reading or researching the topics at all: He was merely parroting what he thought he heard from Hannity, et al.

And, BTW, because he was parroting off that stuff, it was the same bizarre hammer he used to drive home the nail in any discussion we were having.

PB

jthompson

(9 posts)
10. Just Another Republican Idiot
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:43 AM
Dec 2012

I read a great article today from RepublicansAreADisease.com. All the things your uncle probably believes as a republican. Makes me sick thinking these inbred imbiciles are allowed to vote.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

He probably heard someone on Fox say Obama is a muslim, and now he has Fox voices in his head.....

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
12. Ask him why no one has noticed Obama praying facing Mecca 5 times per day!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:59 AM
Dec 2012

would be kinda a hard to hide that all the time..

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
14. World's worst Muslim
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:45 AM
Dec 2012

He never breaks out the prayer rug in the middle of press conferences, he drinks his own home made beer (on TV!), and then there's those pesky Muslim killing drones. If he lived in a Muslim country, they'd probably shun him, rip out his tongue, then behead him for murder.

How did the Fox Newsies forget all about 25 years of listening to sermons from Reverend Wright already? They heard about it from Hannity for a solid year.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
15. "My Uncle is, by all accounts, a nice guy." - You do realize, I hope, that if he seriously
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:51 AM
Dec 2012

believes that Obama is a Muslim, your Uncle is stark, raving mad and should be committed immediately to the nearest mental health instititution?

Is he like the 'crazy Uncle' every family has who gets dragged out of the attic at holidays and family gatherings?

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
16. I like to counter ideological attacks with questions like...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:10 AM
Dec 2012

What's better, being hung with a blue rope, or a red rope?

Or would you prefer playing Russian-roulette with a red gun, instead of a blue gun?

Because the funny thing is, there is a lot of republicans who realize their screwed regardless of who wins.

Their just to busy throwing ideological puns, they forget to look past the smoke and mirrors.

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
17. Tell Him That President Obama is not a Muslim, but....
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:26 AM
Dec 2012

Grover Norquist is a Muslim. Just watch his head explode!










































fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
20. He drinks beer and it's made at the White House!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:11 AM
Dec 2012

Never would Michelle and the girls wear a burka and so far he hasn't demanded they do.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
25. Make him a $500 bet that he can't find that "I'm a Muslim" confession in Dreams of my Father
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:44 PM
Dec 2012

Bet him, then have him show you where it is in his book that Obama says he is a Muslim.

Get a copy of the book from the library first, and hand it to him so he has time to look for it.

And if he won't even try, then no, I'm he isn't a nice guy because he knowingly lies about such things with ease.

ETA: And this exercise in betting will only show him that he is repeating lies; it likely won't stop him from continuing to do so. Does he belong to one of those religions that thinks they are the "one true religion"? Because I can't see why anyone would care even if Obama were a Muslim.

That said, it is an insult to Obama to claim things that are provably false. And since he didn't say he was a Muslim in his book, Dreams, then your Uncle is an insulting liar and yeah, if he were my Uncle, I'd be putting that lie to the curb with a copy of the book in my hand.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
27. I'm not a Muslim, but the calls to prayer in Istanbul were indeed some of the
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

most beautiful things I have ever heard as well.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
28. As long as we have Fox News and right wing hate radio this is what we will get. Our country
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:48 PM
Dec 2012

will be hurting because you got people who hate their government yet when there are problems such as tornados, hurricanes they want government help. It's enough to make your head spin.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
29. My answer would have been--"so fucking what?"
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:48 PM
Dec 2012

There is NOTHING in the constitution against having a Muslim in the WH.

Some people are too goddamned stupid to convince that he's not, so why not go along with them and ask what their problem is?

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
31. Obama wouldn't even be considered as a Sufi.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:53 PM
Dec 2012

In other words, Muslims wouldn't recognize Obama as one of them.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. What would be wrong with being a Muslim? That's all I would say to that frankly.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:56 PM
Dec 2012

One of our best members of Congress is a Muslim and as far as I know there are no religious or ethnic impediments to being elected to office in this country.

Does your Uncle believe that we should have such restrictions?

PATXgirl

(192 posts)
35. One of my very right-wing in-laws tried to pull the birth certificate/Muslim card yesterday.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:25 PM
Dec 2012

I basically told her "Surely you don't believe that! Only ignorant, racist red-necks believe that garbage."

She didn't say anything about Obama after that which was fine by me.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
36. Always good to scatter some facts, even into an irrational wind.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:26 PM
Dec 2012

I think it really does help. People convince themselves everyone is on the same kooky wavelength they picked up at (fill in rightwing source) and they do wonder, if only for a second, when an intelligent, rational person just blinks and says, "No, that is not true."

The way you put it was helpful, too. We often don't think in terms of "evidence" that something crazy isn't true, but your comments do demonstrate the impossibility of this particular wingnut fantasy.

Thanks for putting some rationality out there. We have to keep doing that.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
42. Ahh...having long ago put up the "I don't give a fuck if he is" shields
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:30 AM
Dec 2012

I had spaced that tired little chestnut.

I might find a line at snake handling fundie as far as religious test, at some point you're just fucking nuts and too much of a danger to yourself and others to be in a position of stewardship over the many.

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