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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:14 PM Dec 2012

Know your BFEE: Siegelman Judge is a big-time War Profiteer

U.S. Judge Mark E. Fuller, the guy who helped railroad Gov. Don Siegelman.



Fuller just happens to be the owner of a company that's made a huge fortune off the Pentagon and War Inc via no-bid crony War on Terror largesse.



The Pork Barrel World of Judge Mark Fuller

By Scott Horton
Harper's August 6, 2007, 5:14 pm

For the last week, we’ve been examining the role played by Judge Mark Everett Fuller in the trial, conviction, and sentencing of former Alabama Governor Don E. Siegelman. Today, we examine a post-trial motion, filed in April 2007, asking Fuller to recuse himself based on his extensive private business interests, which turn very heavily on contracts with the United States Government, including the Department of Justice.

The recusal motion rested upon details about Fuller’s personal business interests. On February 22, 2007, defense attorneys obtained information that Judge Fuller held a controlling 43.75% interest in government contractor Doss Aviation, Inc. After investigating these claims for over a month, the attorneys filed a motion for Fuller’s recusal on April 18, 2007. The motion stated that Fuller’s total stake in Doss Aviation was worth between $1-5 million, and that Fuller’s income from his stock for 2004 was between $100,001 and $1 million dollars.

In other words, Judge Fuller likely made more from his business income, derived from U.S. Government contracts, than as a judge. Fuller is shown on one filing as President of the principal business, Doss Aviation, and his address is shown as One Church Street, Montgomery, Alabama, the address of the Frank M. Johnson Federal Courthouse, in which his chambers are located.

SNIP...

Doss Aviation and its subsidiaries also held contracts with the FBI. This is problematic when one considers that FBI agents were present at Siegelman’s trial, and that Fuller took the extraordinary step of inviting them to sit at counsel’s table throughout trial. Moreover, while the case was pending, Doss Aviation received a $178 million contract from the federal government.

CONTINUED...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/08/hbc-90000762



There's a special place for Judge Fuller, and it's not on the bench.
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Know your BFEE: Siegelman Judge is a big-time War Profiteer (Original Post) Octafish Dec 2012 OP
There was enough evidence of a conflict of interest in the Siegelman case sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #1
DoJ has been very, very, very conservative for 32 years now. Octafish Dec 2012 #6
It's not a surprise that the Centrist Wing of the Democratic Party rhett o rick Dec 2012 #8
Democrats, the Truth Still Matters! Octafish Dec 2012 #13
And thank you Octafish. Of course the truth matters, I'm a Democrat not rhett o rick Dec 2012 #20
the truth only matters just for the record heaven05 Sep 2013 #58
K&R n/t-I'm getting this belongs in Creative Speculation attacks, brother, on another GD thread. bobthedrummer Dec 2012 #2
Where is the speculation in this OP? Fuller's connections to the defense sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #3
Would you mind posting a link to the other thread? n/t ronnie624 Dec 2012 #5
Here's the link... SidDithers Dec 2012 #22
You might want to do a little research on this. Coyotl Dec 2012 #7
Don't let the truth get in the way of belief. Octafish Dec 2012 #9
Dude, you posted a link to a conspiracy site run by an asshat extreme anti-Semite... SidDithers Dec 2012 #21
bobthedrummer is a decade-long contributor to DU, siddithers. Octafish Dec 2012 #23
Thank you. Seems some here want to hide the truth. The right thing to do sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #25
Here's a good link: Elena Kagan and her role as a willing accomplice in Siegelman prosecution Octafish Dec 2012 #26
You don't get the truth from Richard Boyden... SidDithers Dec 2012 #28
Never heard of him until you brought him up. BTW, why do you crap on my posts so much? Octafish Dec 2012 #31
I think I was crapping on bob's post, for using Boyden's web site as a source... SidDithers Dec 2012 #33
And you recommended the post with the link... SidDithers Dec 2012 #27
I'll ask you again: Show me where I post ''conspiracy bullshit'' siddithers. Octafish Dec 2012 #29
I'm a "decade-long contributor to DU" too... SidDithers Dec 2012 #30
That is the point: bobthedrummer contributes info, you comment. Octafish Dec 2012 #37
In this case, bob contributed info from an anti-Semitic source... SidDithers Dec 2012 #42
Where's your contribution, siddithers? NO WHERE are you critical of the GOP persecution of Siegelman Octafish Dec 2012 #44
Paul Craig Roberts is a white nationalist asshat... SidDithers Dec 2012 #46
So you're claiming I'm an anti-Semitic homophobe, siddithers? Octafish Dec 2012 #47
I'm not claiming anything. Just pointing out that you once swore off PCR... SidDithers Dec 2012 #49
BTW: You brought him up. I hadn't quoted him since then, until now. Octafish Dec 2012 #50
Cool story bro... SidDithers Dec 2012 #51
You still have yet to contribute anything about Don Siegelman, siddithers. Octafish Dec 2012 #53
Oh, and your buddy bob just got hidden for linking to whale.to and The Church of Scientology... SidDithers Dec 2012 #48
You know who else liked to get the last word in, siddithers? Octafish Dec 2012 #52
Maybe Sid is referring to your posts... zappaman Dec 2012 #32
Dear God... You don't think LHO actually shot JFK do you? MessiahRp Dec 2012 #36
No he was innocent. zappaman Dec 2012 #40
How about a link to back up your smear, zappaman? Here's who I'd like to see interviewed... Octafish Dec 2012 #43
Professional cronyism is what the BFEE does best. Initech Dec 2012 #4
Rove, Norquist, Abramoff, Reed... Octafish Dec 2012 #11
Thanks Octo.. The injustice is pretty damn bald. annabanana Dec 2012 #10
For some, DU is a Truth Machine Octafish Dec 2012 #14
How the FUCK... Volaris Dec 2012 #12
The Rich evidently enjoy special privileges at DoJ. Octafish Dec 2012 #17
That fucker belongs in prison. n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #15
That's putting it nicely. Remember how EADS-Grumman trumped Boeing? Octafish Dec 2012 #16
Roger that! Thanks for all your great post (reads). n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #35
Want too look at something fishy w/another Federal Judge? Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #18
Thanks for the heads-up. Octafish Dec 2012 #24
Fuller is from Enterprise, AL d_r Dec 2012 #19
Interesting town. Octafish Dec 2012 #38
wow thanks for this link d_r Dec 2012 #41
^ Wilms Dec 2012 #34
Imagine how you'd feel if you had just convicted a political enemy? Octafish Dec 2012 #55
Alabama Judicial Scandal Could Taint Many Cases, Not Just Siegelman’s... MinM Dec 2012 #39
A Fuller Conspiracy Octafish Dec 2012 #56
Typical Republican scuzzbaggery Berlum Dec 2012 #45
K&R /t TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #54
+1, thanks. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #57

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. There was enough evidence of a conflict of interest in the Siegelman case
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:29 PM
Dec 2012

with this Bush appointed judge to have caused him to recuse himself, which he refused to do.

The question is why the DOJ, having reviewed the complaints against him, refused to intervene, as they did when far less evidence of irregularities in the Stevens case were presented to them.

The latest on Fuller, referencing divorce papers filed by his wife, doesn't do much to dispel any of the charges re corruption leveled at him in the past.

http://www.thewetumpkaherald.com/opinion/article_3aaed252-9f74-11e1-ad83-0019bb2963f4.html|

Fuller’s ethics called into question in suit


In her complaint Lisa Fuller asks for the following admissions by her husband. They include these topics: extramarital affairs, parenting, driving under the influence of alcohol, withholding documents, payment of expenses for persons with whom he was having sex, spousal abuse, receipt of psychological care or counseling, and addiction to prescription drugs. To my knowledge the answers to those questions had not been filed at the time this column was written.

The current allegations of abuse of office and subpoenas for prescription drugs at numerous pharmacies could possibly bring into question every judgment he has issued and every trial over which he has presided. Keep in mind, of course, that these are yet only allegations which may not ultimately bear out.


One of the worst miscarriages of justice in recent times and the DOJ has ignored it for some reason.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. DoJ has been very, very, very conservative for 32 years now.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:52 PM
Dec 2012

Thus, going after liberals makes for good careers.



The Curious Case of Don Siegelman

Don Siegelman should be a star in the Democratic Party. Instead, he's a former elected official sentenced to prison by a right-wing judge in Alabama.

Siegelman had the temerity to be a popular Alabama Democrat who'd won every statewide office by 1998, when he first became governor.


Written by Mimi Kennedy | Huffington Post

With Jewish and Catholic roots, and empathic appeal to minorities, he threatened the GOP "southern strategy" for a dominant one-party Republican nation. To the GOP, Siegelman was potentially Another Clinton -- as repellent to them as Another Cuba.

U.S. Attorney Leura Canary, a friend of Karl Rove's, incited Siegelman's prosecution for bribery, destroying his political career and hurting his family. Read this letter signed by 113 former attorneys general and other national leaders, both Democrat and Republican. They assert that the prosecuted "bribe" wasn't one, and that, if this conviction stands, it threatens every public official and contributor at every level of government. Such routine transactions, if prosecuted, would choke our courts.

The "bribe"? Don Siegelman wanted to create a state lottery that would provide funds for Alabama youth to attend state college for free. Richard Scrushy, CEO of HealthSouth, donated $500,000 for a campaign to convince Alabamans this was a good idea. The lottery referendum went on the ballot. The half-million didn't benefit Siegelman's gubernatorial campaign or him personally -- unlike, say, the billions being poured into the current presidential race via the super PACS and individuals like Sheldon Adelson.

The referendum lost. It was opposed with money pouring in from nearby Mississippi, where Indian casinos, represented by Jack Abramoff, were threatened by the idea of Alabamans spending gambling money at home, for education.

CONTINUED...

http://www.pdamerica.org/news/item/723-the-curious-case-of-don-siegelman



For instance, U.S. Attorney and Siegelman prosecutor Leura Canary got to stay around -- almost four years after the arrival of Ron Holder.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. It's not a surprise that the Centrist Wing of the Democratic Party
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:27 PM
Dec 2012

doesnt want to help a strong progressive.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
13. Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:40 PM
Dec 2012

Robert Parry noticed something was wrong, way back during Iran-Contra...



Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!

By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

EXCERPT...

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html



Thank you for being one for whom the truth matters, rhett o rick.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. And thank you Octafish. Of course the truth matters, I'm a Democrat not
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:15 PM
Dec 2012

a turn-coat Centrist that wants to appease the Republicans.

There is an interesting article in the Dec 24/31, issue of The Nation magazine entitled, "How to Save the Democratic Party." The article is good as are some of the responses published after the article. One of the things I took away is that the progressive progress made this year was not do to Democratic Party efforts. There are a number of progressive organizations working outside the Party to see that progressive candidates are nominated and elected as well as progressive issues promoted. I have done a lot of grassroots work, meetings, protests, email and phone call campaigns, GOTV calls and door to door canvasing, and never have they been initiated by the Democratic Party. But it is very important that these progressive organizations take back the Democratic Party from the Centrists or right-wing of the Party.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
58. the truth only matters just for the record
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

and in this system, NOTHING ELSE. Money, power and RW corruption has buried the truth in lies and deceit. Truth matters just for the record.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
2. K&R n/t-I'm getting this belongs in Creative Speculation attacks, brother, on another GD thread.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:31 PM
Dec 2012

Best of the Holidays, Jesus is Lord. 2013 is coming up.
Bob

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Where is the speculation in this OP? Fuller's connections to the defense
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 02:35 PM
Dec 2012

industry are well known.

There IS however speculation since the filing of the complaints by his wife about whether or not his extra-curriculum activities made him vulnerable to bribes on rulings that would benefit his buddies in the defense industry and/or his political party.

Seems like a good time for the DOJ to finally get involved and start looking at all of his cases.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
22. Here's the link...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:31 PM
Dec 2012

One of bob's links is to an anti-Semitic conspiracy site, run by hatemonger Richard Boyden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073542

The TOS is pretty clear about being careful about the sources used when posting crazy talk:


In addition, please be aware that many conspiracy theories have roots in racism and anti-semitism, and Democratic Underground has zero tolerance for bigoted hate speech. In short, you take your chances.


Sid
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
7. You might want to do a little research on this.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:23 PM
Dec 2012

Scott Horton is hardly a speculationist! He is an excellent investigative journalist at Harpers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. Don't let the truth get in the way of belief.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:28 PM
Dec 2012

What one darn good reporter says about things:



Political Justice in Alabama: Don Siegelman Goes to Prison

August 12, 2012 | Lou Dubose

EXCERPT...

As a federal judge, Fuller held a substantial equity position—$5 million to $25 million—in Doss Aviation, which provided a variety of services (flight training, avaition fuel, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control) to the Navy, Army, and Air Force. In other words, the judge was also a federal contractor, dependent on procurement decisions made in the Pentagon.

The investigation of Don Siegelman was started by Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, whose campaign had been run by Alabama political consultant Bill Canary. Pryor was subsequently appointed to the federal appellate bench by George W. Bush.

In 2002, Siegelman had been narrowly defeated, after an retabulation of votes, by Republican Congressman Rob Riley. The U.S. attorney who picked up the AG's investigation until she perhaps recused herself herself, was Leura Canary, the wife of Bill Canary. Bill Canary was working on Riley's campaign.

Before Siegelman was convicted in 2007, the same charges against him were dismissed by a federal judge hearing the case before it was assigned to Fuller. A former U.S. attorney who briefly represented Siegelman as a private lawyer told a House subcommittee that Bush Justice Department officials ordered federal prosecutors in Alabama to "review the case from top to bottom"after it was initially dismissed.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonspectator.org/index.php/Blog/entry/political-justice-in-alabama-don-siegleman-goes-to-prison.html



Remember that Twilight Zone gremlin, bobthedrummer-san?



He tried ripping up the engine on the left wing.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. Dude, you posted a link to a conspiracy site run by an asshat extreme anti-Semite...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

Here's he now locked thread for anybody who wants to confirm:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073542

One of those links in your OP goes to operation Morningstar, run by Richard Boyden. Google that name and go to his personal site, to see the kind of "source" you're using, but be prepared to take a shower after.

And when it was pointed out you were using a Jew-hating, conspiracy source, you laughed about it.

I'm amazed a jury left your link to that anti-Semitic piece of shit's site alone. Hopefully the Admins will take a less tolerant view. Crap likes that has no place on DU.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. bobthedrummer is a decade-long contributor to DU, siddithers.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
Dec 2012

No where has he intentionally posted anything that can be construed as anti-Semitic.

What is true, I can post more than a hundred his posts where he does all he can to document America's slide into fascism. For instance:

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread

OTOH, siddithers, I cannot find a single OP or even one post where you add anything to the record documenting America' slide into fascism.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Thank you. Seems some here want to hide the truth. The right thing to do
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:03 PM
Dec 2012

of course would have been to simply point out a bad link and allow the OP to delete it.

As you say, some people contribute to this site, others do not.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
26. Here's a good link: Elena Kagan and her role as a willing accomplice in Siegelman prosecution
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:21 PM
Dec 2012
No matter what some people say, there are reasons to be concerned. From the great DUer autorank:

Elena Kagan - Willing Accomplice

By Michael Collins

Then, when Siegelman appealed his case to the Supreme Court in 2009, President Obama's Attorney General dispatched Solicitor General Elena Kagan to argue against the appeal in November.

Before accepting the case, Elena Kagan knew or should have known: that the U.S. Attorney who began the Siegelman investigation was closely tied to Karl Rove; that Siegelman never benefited personally from the contribution to an education funding initiative; that the case was so outrageous, forty-four attorneys general petitioned Congress; and, that the presiding judge in the case owned a major interest in a defense firm that received a $178 million federal contract between Siegelman's indictment and trial, a massive conflict of interest.

Most revealing, before her argument against the former governor's appeal, Kagan knew or should have known the following. After two charges had been dropped in a 2009 appeal, Justice Department attorneys recommended a twenty year sentence instead of the seven years already rendered. Fewer offenses for sentencing meant thirteen additional years by the strange logic of federal justice.
Kagan knew or should have known all this and more. That didn't stop her from arguing that Don Siegelman should be kept in jail. ...

That judgment is that Elena Kagan was a willing accomplice in one of the most outrageous political prosecutions of our time. Why should anyone ever trust her?

Her nomination to the Supreme Court of the United States should be rejected unanimously.

PS: You are most welcome, Sabrinita. You appreciate things that some people don't want others to think about.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
28. You don't get the truth from Richard Boyden...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:37 PM
Dec 2012

You didn't even check to see what you're defending, did you.

At least I hope you didn't. You're not knowingly defending the use of Richard Boyden's website, are you?

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
33. I think I was crapping on bob's post, for using Boyden's web site as a source...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 09:07 PM
Dec 2012

and I don't "crap" on your posts. The vast, vast majority of the time, I take no notice of them at all.

bob complained about his alleged mistreatment in his thread, I replied to him, pointing out his use of anti-Semitic sources, and then you jumped in to defend him as a "decade-long contributor to DU", as if that give him a pass, and at the same time attacked.me.

I don't remember that post about Fukushima and why I responded. Looks highly speculative to me, trying to link those disparate elements together. Looks like exactly the kind of post that the Creative Speculation group was designed for.



Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
27. And you recommended the post with the link...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:29 PM
Dec 2012

The point is not that bob posted it in the first place, but that he chose to leave it after multiple posters questioned its use.

A conscientious poster says "oh shit. I didn't realize I was promoting an anti-Semitic website. I'll remove that link."

Frankly, those of you who regularly post conspiracy bullshit should know to be extra careful with your sources. As the TOS states:

In addition, please be aware that many conspiracy theories have roots in racism and anti-semitism, and Democratic Underground has zero tolerance for bigoted hate speech. In short, you take your chances.


Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. I'll ask you again: Show me where I post ''conspiracy bullshit'' siddithers.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012
Last time you said it was "conspiracy stories."

You couldn't back up your claims, then, either.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. That is the point: bobthedrummer contributes info, you comment.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Dec 2012

Where, in this thread or in your decade on DU, have you, even once, criticized the prosecution of Don Siegelman or what we know about the case?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
42. In this case, bob contributed info from an anti-Semitic source...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dec 2012

He could have deleted that link, but chose not to.

Similarly, you had to be educated about Paul Craig Roberts, if I recall correctly. You can consider that my contribution to your knowledge base.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. Where's your contribution, siddithers? NO WHERE are you critical of the GOP persecution of Siegelman
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:14 PM
Dec 2012

True to your form, I do find you critical of me for quoting Paul Craig Roberts. Here's what he wrote about the subject you avoid:



Going to Jail for Being a Democrat: How Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman Got Roved

Once a popular governor of Alabama, Siegelman was framed in a crooked trial and sent to prison by the corrupt Bush administration.

By Paul Craig Roberts
CounterPunch, via AlterNet
March 2, 2008

Don Siegelman, a popular Democratic governor of Alabama, a Republican state, was framed in a crooked trial, convicted on June 29, 2006, and sent to Federal prison by the corrupt and immoral Bush administration.

The frame-up of Siegelman and businessman Richard Scrushy is so crystal clear and blatant that 52 former state attorney generals from across America, both Republicans and Democrats, have urged the US Congress to investigate the Bush administration's use of the US Department of Justice to rid themselves of a Democratic governor who "they could not beat fair and square," according to Grant Woods, former Republican Attorney General of Arizona and co-chair of the McCain for President leadership committee. Woods says that he has never seen a case with so "many red flags pointing to injustice."

The abuse of American justice by the Bush administration in order to ruin Siegelman is so crystal clear that even the corporate media organization CBS allowed "60 Minutes" to broadcast on February 24, 2008, a damning indictment of the railroading of Siegelman. Extremely coincidental "technical difficulties" caused WHNT, the CBS station covering the populous northern third of Alabama, to go black during the broadcast. The station initially offered a lame excuse of network difficulties that CBS in New York denied. The Republican-owned print media in Alabama seemed to have the inside track on every aspect of the prosecution's case against Siegelman. You just have to look at their editorials and articles following the 60 Minutes broadcast to get a taste of what counts for "objective journalism" in their mind.

The injustice done by the US Department of Justice (sic) to Siegelman is so crystal clear that a participant in Karl Rove's plan to destroy Siegelman can't live with her conscience. Jill Simpson, a Republican lawyer who did opposition research for Rove, testified under oath to the House Judiciary Committee and went public on "60 Minutes." Simpson said she was told by Bill Canary, the most important GOP campaign advisor in Alabama, that "my girls can take care of Siegelman."

Canary's "girls" are two US Attorneys in Alabama, both appointed by President Bush. One is Bill Canary's wife, Leura Canary. The other is Alice Martin. According to Harper's Scott Horton,a law professor at Columbia University, Martin is known for abusive prosecutions.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/78407/going_to_jail_for_being_a_democrat%3A_how_alabama_gov._don_siegelman_got_roved



Gee. That was way back in 2008. Which reminds me how, in this thread and in any other on the subject of Don Siegelman over the years, you have added zero, siddithers.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
46. Paul Craig Roberts is a white nationalist asshat...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:11 PM
Dec 2012

In promoting his opinions on some topics, you give legitimacy to him and his other racist views. He's done fundraising for racist hate site VDare.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070208212620/http://www.vdare.com/appeals/072506_pcr.htm

He's had such lovely things to say as:

But the most fearsome fact is that the demonization of white people in the universities today is more extreme than the demonization of the Jews that was a prominent feature of German university life for 60 years prior to the rise of National Socialism.

Demonization of whites is the weapon used by multiculturalists to breakup western civilization. But teaching hatred has other consequences. Demonization has already demoralized some whites, making them ashamed and fearful of their skin color.

By the time whites become political minorities, decades of demonization will have prepared the ground for legislation prohibiting their propagation and, perhaps, assigning them to the gulag as a final solution to “the cancer of human history.”

That was from his glowing review of Pat Buchanan's book, "Death of the West"
http://web.archive.org/web/20110719200202/http://www.vdare.com/roberts/west_future.htm


You've been told this before. I thought you could be taken at your word:
VDARE is a pro-white power hate site founded by an immigrant NAZI.

Does Paul Craig Roberts have an official affiliation with the organization or do they simply re-post his articles?

If Roberts is a member or supporter of VDARE, I'll stop reading him.

FYI: I've been a member of SPLC since the early 90s. I don't like NAZIs, the klan or any hate groups.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002548165#post113

That fundraising letter clearly shows that Roberts is a supporter of VDare, and yet here you are, once again using him as a source, in a subthread where you're defending another DUer's use of an anti-Semitic source.

Look, I don't give a fuck what you want to believe. Believe any kooky nonsense you want. What I do give a fuck about is the promotion or exposure given to racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic websites at DU. Those types of sites or authors don't deserve any traffic directed their way from DU. There are hundreds of those sites out there, many closely linked with conspiracist topics, and that's why the TOS is clearly worded the way it is.

If you, or others like you, use a racist (like Paul Craig Roberts) or anti-Semitic or homophobic (like Richard Boyden) source. I'm going to call you out on it.

Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. So you're claiming I'm an anti-Semitic homophobe, siddithers?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:15 PM
Dec 2012

What do you have to add about Don Siegelman, siddithers?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
49. I'm not claiming anything. Just pointing out that you once swore off PCR...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:21 PM
Dec 2012

and now you're promoting him again.

Why is that?

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
50. BTW: You brought him up. I hadn't quoted him since then, until now.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:22 PM
Dec 2012

I posted about Don Siegelman -- the prosecution of whom Paul Craig Roberts labelled "political" way back from before you told me about VDare or anything else.



And one last thing: You still have yet to post anything critical of the political persecution of Don Siegelman. Not. One. Fucking. Thing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
53. You still have yet to contribute anything about Don Siegelman, siddithers.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:30 PM
Dec 2012

On this or any other thread. Why is that?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
48. Oh, and your buddy bob just got hidden for linking to whale.to and The Church of Scientology...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:20 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2079699

whale.to is another anti-Semitic conspiracist site. They host that lovely publication "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION" with the comment:

Zionist master plan. Has to be true as it has all come to pass.


You might want to pick your battles more wisely. That "decade-long contributor to DU" is making some disgusting choices in the material they're bringing to DU.

Sid

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
32. Maybe Sid is referring to your posts...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:55 PM
Dec 2012

where you finger everybody but LHO for the Kennedy assassination.
What are you up to now, 400 or so conspirators including Bobby Kennedy and LBJ?
Keep up the good solid work, my old friend!
And have a great holiday!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
40. No he was innocent.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
Dec 2012

More likely a shadowy group of men, composed of anywhere from a dozen to 400 did it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. How about a link to back up your smear, zappaman? Here's who I'd like to see interviewed...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
Dec 2012

George Herbert Walker Bush. He was in Dallas that day, according to what he told the FBI. Something else to remember, Poppy Bush was nearby when Nixon, Ford and Reagan were -- or almost were -- impeached or otherwise removed from office.





Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

Which, of course, makes me wonder about this memo, from a week later:




Here's a transcript of the above:


Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #



So, yes, I've wondered about who was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy. While I don't know who was responsible, I do know there are people still living who have information about the crime and its perpetrators. Unlike you, zappaman, I've noted such for a long time.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Rove, Norquist, Abramoff, Reed...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:32 PM
Dec 2012

Helping make things clear:



Siegelman, South's Political Prisoner

Timeline by: Michele Looney

EXCERPT...

Campaign Summer of 2002, Bob Riley used Goff's personal plane to fly to Washington to meet with Karl Rove to get a quick course in wearing $3,000 alligator boots and how to project himself as the Marlboro man riding a horse in his campaign ads.

Scanlon used to work for Riley before he went to work for Congressman Delay.

They (Scanlon, Rove, Abramoff) agreed to use scare tactics on the Indian Casinos making them pay large sums of money to block so called legislation to keep their casinos from having to pay taxes.

SNIP...
The prison has been ordered by the U.S. Court In Montgomery. Al. to keep him isolated and to deny him interviews by 60 minutes and local news medias.

He (Siegelman) is Alabama's most respected lawyer, politician and lobbyist, because of his work ethics and the ability to communicate with working class and the poor.

Political corruption in Alabama has gotten totally out of control.

Out of the Millions of dollars of Mississippi Choctaw money that Jack Abramoff and Michael Scanlon laundered and sent to AL. to defeat Siegelman’s Education Lottery in 1999, to elect Bob Riley in 2002 and for Riley to oppress the AL. Poarch Indians, “not a single person has gotten investigated by the ABI or FBI under direction of the offices of the Alabama Attorney General or the U.S. Attorneys.”

Every article written on the 2002 Governors election verifies that the numbers published indicates that Electronic ballot stuffing was involved in Baldwin County to transfer votes from Siegelman to Riley.

CONTINUED...

http://www.insider-magazine.com/Looney_On_Siegelman.htm



There are times when I feel like we may as well quit. Then, I remember Don Siegelman. Thank you, Initech, for grokking.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. For some, DU is a Truth Machine
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:53 PM
Dec 2012

For instance, get a load of the group effort:

Know your BFEE: Bush and His Crooks with Badges Sent an Innocent Man to Jail

For others, DU is not so much a Truth Machine as much as a side show generator. Look! A conspiracy theorist! Ha. Made you look.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
12. How the FUCK...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 03:34 PM
Dec 2012

is it legal for him to use his Court Office address AS THE MAILING OFFICE FOR HIS AVIATION BUSINESS???????

Holder has (seemingly) been the most useless AG in a good long while.

Gietner (by comparison) is a Rattlesnake, yes, but at least he's been a somewhat USEFUL and RELIABLE Rattlesnake, as far as that goes...
Second Term appointments can't get here fast enough..

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. The Rich evidently enjoy special privileges at DoJ.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:15 PM
Dec 2012
Quelle Surprise! The Geithner Doctrine Not Only Puts Banks Above the Law, It Also Serves to Excuse Their Bad Behavior

Naked Capitalism
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2012

Our Treasury Secretary, also known as the Bailouter in Chief and “Foamy,” has a default explanation for why ordinary citizens must bend over every time banking interests are threatened. The more formal statement of this policy is the Geithner Doctrine, which is “nothing must be done that will destablize the banking system.” However, Geithner also subscribes to the Humpty Dumpty School of Language, in which words mean what he chooses them to mean, nothing more or less. So “destabilize” means “hurts the profits or reputation of” and “banking system” means “any bank that is pretty big and/or well connected”.

The most clear-cut example of the Geithner Doctrine in action was when New York State Banking and Financial Services Superintendent Benjamin Lawsky filed an order against Standard Chartered for violations under New York law for money laundering with Iranian banks, among other things. Astonishingly, Federal regulators went on the warpath against Lawsky. As we wrote in August:

But the Treasury and Fed are also in an uproar, although they have no one to blame but themselves for their discomfort. The Treasury (supposedly the lead actor in investigating “terrorist financing” and violations of economic sanctions; the Office of Foreign Assets Control is a Treasury operation), Fed, DoJ, District Attorney of New York and the DFS were all investigating Iran transfers at various banks, including SCB, since 2010. The others has settled; SCB was still under investigation and seemed to believe it would get a clean bill of health.


It got even better. Standard Chartered, using an analysis cooked up by Promontory Capital, claimed a miniscule $14 million in transactions were out of compliance; Lawsky found a full $250 billion. The Federal regulatory were apparently to accept the Standard Chartered/Promontory argument and Lawsky derailed that.

CONTINUED w/links 'n' details...

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/quelle-surprise-the-geithner-doctrine-not-only-puts-banks-above-the-law-it-also-serves-to-excuse-their-bad-behavior.html

Foamy! I'd LOL, but there's nothing funny about the state of Justice.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. That's putting it nicely. Remember how EADS-Grumman trumped Boeing?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:10 PM
Dec 2012

I've become an advocate of hard labor for white collar criminals.



Did John McCain deny Boeing a $100 billion contract for an Alabama endorsement?

Posted Mar 8th 2008 7:26PM by Peter Cohan
Filed under: Boeing Co (BA), Northrop Grumman (NOC)

As he stumps for President, Senator John McCain likes to brag about how he kept Boeing Inc. (NYSE: BA) from winning a contract to build Tankers -- in-flight refueling aircraft -- for the Air Force in 2004. Last week, the Air Force announced that the winner of the contract was Boeing's arch-rival, EADS, parent of Airbus which is based in Toulouse, France and Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC).

That decision is sitting very well with the governor of Alabama, where Northrop Grumman is based. Republic Governor Bob Riley endorsed McCain a mere three days after the Air Force contract was announced. The EADS-Northrop tanker, based on the Airbus A330, will be built in Mobile, AL, where The Associated Press reports it will produce 2,000 new jobs, and support 25,000 jobs at suppliers nationwide.

Is it just a coincidence that Riley endorsed McCain so soon after that contract was awarded? Boeing supporters in Congress may be wondering and they are angry with McCain "for scuttling an earlier deal that would have let Boeing build the next generation of Air Force refueling tankers." AP reports that Boeing now will miss out on a deal that it says would have supported 44,000 new and existing jobs at the company and suppliers in 40 states.

SNIP...

AP also reports that Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill. said, "Having made sure that Iraq gets new schools, roads, bridges and dams that we deny America, now we are making sure that France gets the jobs that Americans used to have. We are sending the jobs overseas, all because John McCain demanded it."

Did McCain have anything to do with awarding the Tanker contract to EADS-Northrop? If so, what was his role? Did the endorsement from the Alabama governor have anything to do with the decision?

CONTINUED...

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/03/08/did-john-mccain-deny-boeing-a-100-billion-contract-for-an-alaba/



And when their bodies can no longer make little rocks out of big ones, they can move indoors to make license plates and run the prison laundry.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
18. Want too look at something fishy w/another Federal Judge?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:56 PM
Dec 2012

Carl Barbier, Federal Judge in New Orleans over the BP oil spill case. Under the type of case this started out to be, a MDL (Multi-District Litigation) case, the Judge appoints a Plaintiff's Steering Committee to handle the Plaintiff's side of the case. This is due to the sheer number of different Plaintiffs firms involved in the case. He appointed several firms, mainly from N.O., to the Committee. To avoid tria last Feb., BP came up with the Common Benefit Fund to bribe the steering Committee with up to 600 million dollars in fees and expenses. They received about 100 million for getting the Judge to move the trial date and letting BP draft the class action settlement agreement that the Judge just signed off on. The settlement screws a majority of the Plaintiffs, but the Judge wants all cases in the class action settlement. Anytime BP wants the Judge to do something, they strike a deal with the Steering Committee members and viola, the Judge signs an Order to that affect. BP has the media and the politicians in their pockets, and seemingly, the Steering Committee and the Judge. The Courts have been stacked by Repugs and corporations are getting legislation passed that either prevents a suit, caps the damages, or raises the level of proof required to make a case. When you hear the words "Tort Reform," you should tell them to leave your rights alone! These corrupt Judges make me sick!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. Thanks for the heads-up.
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:54 PM
Dec 2012

The judge was appointed by President Clinton. Hope he rules with a just hand.

I'm not too hopeful. So far, the government seems to be working overtime to protect BP.

Protecting the corporations, I am increasingly told, is the way of the new Democrats. I always called those turds, Republicans.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
19. Fuller is from Enterprise, AL
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 04:59 PM
Dec 2012

that is where Doss Aviation is HQ'd, proximity to Fort Rucker Army base and lots of helicopters for contract maintenance work.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Interesting town.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:56 PM
Dec 2012

The great DUer mod mom pegged the lawyerly angle of business:



15. Have you read about Doss Aviation? Here:

Oct 19, 2007

Siegelman served as Alabama's Secretary of State from 1979 to 1987 and asAttorney General from 1987 to 1991. In his roles of registering corporations in Alabama and overseeing criminal investigations by the state, Siegelman had obtained evidence linking Fuller, Bush, and other top Alabama and Florida Republicans to drug trafficking and the beginning of election manipulation in Alabama favoring the GOP. Caylor claims that Mark E. Fuller, listed as Doss official in Montgomery, is the same person as Mark J. Fuller of Enterprise. Judge Mark Fuller's Enterprise residence was 10 Indigo Place.

Bert Barr, listed as Doss' registered agent, was Fuller's law firm partner in Enterprise. Fuller also inherited Cargo International, another drug running firm, from Wentworth.
Siegelman ran for Governor to go after the GOP mobsters who had bought their way into practically every state office, including the commissions that oversee and regulate dog and horse tracks, real estate, trucking, and business practices.

What we have discovered is that Judge Fuller inherited an extensive aircraft and money laundering network from one Clifford Wentworth who was busted for drug trafficking in the Drug Enforcement Administration's Operation Sunburn in 1981. In a deal worked out between then-Vice President George H. W. Bush, who was in charge of Ronald Reagan's "War on Drugs," Wentworth was sentenced by U.S. Judge for the Northern District of Florida Maurice Paul to 20 years in prison and a $25,000 fine with all but six months suspended. Wentworth, who served his short prison term at Eglin Air Force Base in North Florida, agreed to turn his entire air drug smuggling and money laundering operation over to Barry Seal, a contract CIA pilot, and the business network operated out of Enterprise, Alabama by current U.S. Judge Fuller. Wentworth was then ordered into the federal witness protection program and he continues to provide lucrative real estate and other services for top GOP officials in Florida and elsewhere. Seal was gunned down gangland-style at a halfway house in Baton Rouge after his conviction and agreement to turn state's evidence against the Medellin cartel and his U.S. government handlers, one of whom reportedly included Vice President Bush.

-snip

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fort-payne-al/T2RH9JNLR...

OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8109503&mesg_id=8111026



Must be a business-friendly court.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
55. Imagine how you'd feel if you had just convicted a political enemy?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:58 PM
Dec 2012

And another one:





William “Bill” Holcombe Pryor

Former Alabama Attorney General and a Federal Judge on the United
States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit


William Pryor was a ferociously partisan figure and one of the
most controversial judicial nominees in recent memory; he
previously served as Alabama’s attorney general. [1]

Sometimes in the game of judicial politics, presidents will
nominate a so-called "stealth candidate" - a little-known lawyer
or judge with no public record on controversial legal issues who
can slip under the Senate's radar to confirmation.

As a nominee to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, Alabama
Attorney General William H. Pryor Jr. would be the opposite - a
B-52 candidate, if you will - who has spent his career flying high,
carpet-bombing the landscape with conservative views on
federalism, abortion, church-state separation and a host of
crime and punishment issues. [5]

Born in Mobile, Alabama he was raised a devout Roman
Catholic. He attended McGill -Toolen Catholic High School in
Mobile and earned his B.A. from Northeast Louisiana University
in 1984 and his J.D. from Tulane University School of Law in
1987, where he served as editor in chief of the Tulane Law
Review. Pryor served as a law clerk to Judge John Minor
Wisdom of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth
Circuit from 1987 to 1988. Pryor worked as a private attorney
from 1988-95, serving as adjunct professor at the Cumberland
School of Law at Samford University from 1989-95. Pryor
currently teaches federal jurisdiction at the University of
Alabama School of Law.

From 1995-97, he served as Alabama deputy attorney general
and became Alabama attorney general in 1997. He was, at that
time, the youngest state attorney general in the United States.
Pryor was elected in 1998 and reelected in 2002. In his
reelection, Pryor garnered nearly 59 percent of the votes, the
highest percentage of any statewide candidate.[3]

In 2007 Time Magazine Investigations revealed previously
unknown sworn testimony that landfill developer Lanny Young
admitted to making donations totaling between $12,000 and
$15,000 to Pryor's campaign for state attorney general. This
was illegal at the time, so Young named four people who "all
wrote checks to Pryor's campaign and were reimbursed by
Young for their contributions." Lanny confessed that If I was
there, "I would write them out or just sign them, and they would
fill in who it was to or whatever." According to Young, a top
official on Pryor's campaign "would call and say, 'I need money
for this, this or this,'" and Young would take care of the request.
("I do not have a recollection of the amounts that you describe
as having been contributed by Lanny Young or his associates to
my campaign," Pryor wrote in an e-mail to TIME.)

Among the illegal actions alleged in the Siegelman indictment
that Bill Pryor initiated was Siegelman's acceptance from Young
of thousands of dollars' worth of free T shirts and hundreds of
specially embossed coffee mugs to give away as Christmas
presents. The freebies were popular, said Young. "I had got
them coffee cups and stuff before and shirts, and I had the
same thing for Bill [Pryor]." Young estimated the value of the
mugs at $13,000 to $15,00. [4]

Despite his own blatant violations of contribution law, Pryor used
his position to initiate a criminal investigation of Siegelman within
weeks of Siegelman’s inauguration as governor. During this time
Leura Canary worked for Pryor ('99 -'01). Throughout the
history of the Siegelman investigation and prosecution, Pryor
figures right at the center of it ultimately, after concluding that
there was an insufficient basis under Alabama law to act,
lobbying the Justice Department to bring a case. Throughout
this period, Pryor consulted with and involved senior Alabama
GOP figures in the matter. Pryor is also a friend and confidant of
Karl Rove, whom he hired to manage his election campaign, and
who played a key role in his ascendancy to the federal bench. [1]

Pryor, who was notoriously eager to get a position on the federal
bench and whose nomination proved the most controversial
single judicial appointment ever made by George W. Bush, had
another key political advisor to whom he turned for support: Karl
Rove. [2] Pryor was nominated to the Eleventh Circuit by
President George W. Bush on April 9, 2003 to fill a seat vacated
by Judge Emmett Ripley Cox, who assumed Senior status. After
his nomination stalled in the Senate due to Democratic
opposition, he was installed as judge via recess appointment on
February 20, 2004 during the Congress's recess period,
bypassing the U.S. Senate confirmation process. Pryor resigned
as attorney general that same day and took his judicial oath for
a term lasting until the end of 2006 when the next Congressional
session would begin.[3]

Many Democrats criticized him for his extreme right-wing views
and reputation as a conservative who lacked the temperament
to avoid being an "activist" judge. Pryor's nomination was
prevented from being put to a vote in the U.S. Senate by
Democrats who had filibustered his nomination.

On May 23, 2005 Senator John McCain announced an
agreement between seven Republican and seven Democratic U.
S. Senators, the Gang of 14, to ensure an up-or-down vote on
Pryor and several other stalled Bush nominees, including
Priscilla Owen and Janice Rogers Brown. On June 9, 2005, he
was confirmed to the Eleventh Circuit by a vote of (53-45). He
received his commission on June 10, 2005 and on June 20,
2005, he was sworn in to his new lifetime judicial position at the
age of 43.

In his political campaigns, Pryor spoke ceaselessly about the
“corruption” of the Democratic administration in Alabama, and
made no bones about his desire to maneuver prosecutorial
resources to accomplish a political mission. And working at his
side on this project, as an assistant, was Leura Canary–until
President Bush picked her to be the U.S. Attorney in
Montgomery.

And William Pryor’s other main political advisor throughout this
period was Leura’s husband, Bill Canary.[2]

[1] Harper's 7/13/07
[2] Harper's 9/14/07
[3] Wikipedia
[4] TIME/CNN 10/4/07
[5] SourceWatch.org William Pryor
.........................................................................................

SOURCE:

http://donsiegelman.org/Pages/topics/Players/Attorneys/attorneys_Bill_Pryor.html



Gee. The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals just happens to be the same body that refused Gov. Siegelman's appeal for a new trial.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
39. Alabama Judicial Scandal Could Taint Many Cases, Not Just Siegelman’s...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/05/alabama-judicial-scandal-could-taint-many-cases-not-just-siegelmans.html

Stories like this keep bringing me back to this line from John Grisham:

The Appeal was a book I published. It was always a novel. It’s completely fiction and it’s completely true. It's the story of the purchasing of a Supreme Court seat in Mississippi.


Judge Oliver Diaz from "Hot Coffee"

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
56. A Fuller Conspiracy
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:55 PM
Dec 2012

Thank you for the heads-up, MinM. From Andrew Krieg:



Alabama Decisions Illustrate Abuse of Judicial Power

Andrew Kreig
June 10, 2009

EXCERPT...

What's At Stake?

Illustrating the enormous public interest in keeping judges fair and honest -- whether in Alabama, West Virginia or elsewhere -- is legal work by the Retirement Systems of Alabama (RSA) to protect the pensions of state employees. RSA's longtime chairman is Dr. David G. Bronner. He is highly regarded in Alabama for increasing the employee pension fund from $500 million in 1973 to an estimated $32 billion by the end of 2007.

In 2002 and 2003, RSA and Bronner challenged Fuller's integrity in two disputes that were widely reported in the local press and in back-to-back editorials that Bronner wrote for RSA's monthly newsletter for state employees and retirees, The Advisor.

The first controversy was to prevent a money grab by Alabama criminal investigator Bruce DeVane, who worked for Fuller in the district attorney's office. In 2000, Fuller raised DeVane's annual pay from $80,307 to $152,014. That new pay grade was nearly $60,000 more than Fuller's own pay of $92,169 from the state that year as DeVane's boss. DeVane, 49, then sought to retire and use the higher salary as his pension base for the rest of his life.

After assuming his federal judicial office on Nov. 26, 2002, Fuller used the prestige of his judicial status on Dec. 4 to testify in support of DeVane's claim, even though section 2B of the Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges discourages testimonials. The judge cited DeVane's hard work in writing office manuals as a key reason for the raise. RSA opposed what it projected to be $330,000 in unmerited payments based on Fuller's "salary spike" for DeVane just before retirement.

In another court dispute at the same time, RSA was alleging fraud against the bankers and financial advisors for Enron, Inc., following the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history. RSA sought reimbursement to protect retirees. Separately, federal prosecutors were on the way to winning criminal convictions against Enron's top management.

In 2007, RSA's chairman summed up these disputes in a front-page editorial in The Advisor. "The RSA had to go through the entire state court system to prevent Judge Fuller's buddy from ripping off the RSA," Bronner wrote. "Shortly thereafter, Judge Fuller tried to sandbag the RSA by preventing our claim (by doing nothing) against the ultimate crook ─ Enron! Fortunately, the RSA prevailed on both issues."

Based in part on evidence from the RSA case and from a state district attorney, Missouri attorney Paul B. Weeks, representing a plaintiff before Fuller in the separate civil lawsuit Murray v. Scott, drew up a motion in 2003 to force Fuller to recuse himself from Murray.

Weeks alleged that the pension and Enron cases were part of a Fuller criminal conspiracy. Its essence, Weeks said, was to force the state to provide hush money for DeVane because the investigator knew that Fuller spent so much of his time out-of-state as the chief executive officer of the Colorado-based military contractor Doss Aviation, Inc. "If so," Weeks wrote in his filing, "this would be a judicial infamy of historic dimension: a federal judge who waited only 9 days after taking office before committing crimes and violating laws he swore to uphold" (emphasis in the original).

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kreig/alabama-decisions-illustr_b_213732.html



Gee. That ENRON thing sure dropped of the national media radar screen after Kenny Boy and Cliff Baxter became deceased.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
57. +1, thanks.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 09:30 AM
Dec 2012

About the 'anti-semitic link' issue, I notice that anytime there is a criminal conspiracy from the far-right, a host of far right freakshow personalities pop up and contribute 'information' about the issue. Liberty Lobby, Scientologists, Larouchites, Alex Jones, all jump in and report some factual aspects of the scandal, with their whacked out spin and falsehoods added.

Their job is to discredit the non-'nazi wackos' who are reporting the true facts of the issue, to make it easier for willfully ignorant/blind people and actual bad guys to deny the facts. The blind or bad nay-sayers can then ignore or castigate the legit non-nazis by lumping them in with odious groups of people.

And 'conspiracy to commit' charges are a dime-a-dozen in our country's legal system. Two guys talking beforehand about robbing a 7-11 is conspiracy to commit. Frequent and pedestrian. But when big criminal acts occur, the easiest way to derail discussion of the powerful people who planned and executed the criminal act is to 'pooh-pooh' reporting about the facts by typing 'conspiracy theory'. The double think is that the legal system sees 'conspiracies by the low' everywhere in the country, and these blind or bad yutzes simultaneously get to see 'conspiracies by the high' no where, and claim the 'intellectual realist' high ground, all by typing two words. This allows our legal system, which is controlled by people on high, to get away with not prosecuting the high level criminal conspirators, like Judge Fuller, Rove, l'il bush, etc.

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