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Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:38 PM Jan 2013

Please help me debunk this bullshit. This showed up on a freinds wall. She is

somebody I consider to be non-partisan and champion of children afflicted by cancer. She is an amazing woman who somehow bought into this and I really want to help her see the light.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=460887550641621&set=a.412158522181191.100510.411805078883202&type=1&theater

Did his most recent trip to hawaii cost $20,000,000? How does that stack up to GWB's xmas vacations?

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Please help me debunk this bullshit. This showed up on a freinds wall. She is (Original Post) Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 OP
Uh. I think he paid for it from his own pocket. Panasonic Jan 2013 #1
Bullshit. elleng Jan 2013 #2
This is apparently the source of the original '$20 million' claim... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3
The $180,000/hr for 18 hours is BS DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #12
First "Help me debunk" thread of 2013! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #4
Bush Spent 5 Times More On Flights To Texas Than Obama‘s Christmas Vacation Costs JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #5
Just ask her to substantiate the claim she's making. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #6
Yes, and using actual data... GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #7
I just treat FB wall forwards the same way as email forwards Posteritatis Jan 2013 #8
Check the sources for that BS. CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #9
This may not be relevent to this specific situation, but ... zbdent Jan 2013 #10
This is EXACTLY the reason they lost the election, they start believing their own unfactual BULLSHIT JaneyVee Jan 2013 #11
sometimes an incredulous, conspiratorial elehhhhna Jan 2013 #13
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
1. Uh. I think he paid for it from his own pocket.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:43 PM
Jan 2013

the AF1 is the President's and we pay for his fuel and upkeep.

Yeah, * wasted billions of dollars and over 4 years of vacation in that pig farm of his.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
12. The $180,000/hr for 18 hours is BS
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jan 2013

For AF1, the shorter the flight, the more $/hr due to takeoff and landing logistics.

On longer flights (which The Idiot rarely undertook), the cost/hr drops sharply.

This is Fox-like BS.

 

JoeBlowToo

(253 posts)
5. Bush Spent 5 Times More On Flights To Texas Than Obama‘s Christmas Vacation Costs
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jan 2013

During Bush’s two terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters calculated that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time, and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

If cost of the flight was the only expense involved to taxpayers Bush’s vacations would still seem rather economical, but there is more, much more. Unlike the Obama’s $4 million Christmas vacation price tag, which includes the cost of everything from transportation to accommodations for the First Family, the White House staff, and the White House press corps, Bush’s numbers only include the cost of flying the president to Crawford. The cost of transporting and accommodating staff, media, friends and family is not included in Bush’s vacation numbers.

In response to growing criticism that the president was on vacation too much, the Bush administration adopted the Rovian tactic of scheduling, “work events,” while the president was in Crawford so that they could claim that President Bush’s vacations were working vacations. During his infamous pre-9/11 August vacation, the AP reported that, “Using the ranch as a base, he will promote White House initiatives in Rocky Mountain National Park, Denver, Albuquerque, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh and San Antonio.”
http://www.politicususa.com/cost-obama-christmas-vacation-bush.html

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
6. Just ask her to substantiate the claim she's making.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jan 2013

I mean, if you posted a graphic claiming that Mitt Romney could fart the Star-Spangled Banner, she'd probably want to know the source of your claim.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
8. I just treat FB wall forwards the same way as email forwards
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:52 PM
Jan 2013

Assume they're lies unless there's a stack of evidence tagging along.

CurtEastPoint

(18,664 posts)
9. Check the sources for that BS.
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:52 PM
Jan 2013

The "Hawaii Reporter" is owned by conservative blatherer Malia Zimmerman who sidles up to Fox, NY Post, all kinds of bullshit 'news' so I would be very suspect of her and her 'paper.

The 'White House Dossier' looks like it's run by right-wing asshole Keith Koffler (Google him) and it only quotes the 'extensive' report from the above-mentioned Hawaii Reporter.

Alex Jones quotes that same $20M and he quotes the 'Dossier'

It's a big right-wing circle jerk.

But why try to even deal w/even nice ladies if they believe this BS. Nothing you say or tell or show will disprove it to her.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
10. This may not be relevent to this specific situation, but ...
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jan 2013

Bush's Iraq invasion and occupation cost $13,070 PER SECOND.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
11. This is EXACTLY the reason they lost the election, they start believing their own unfactual BULLSHIT
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 08:58 PM
Jan 2013

They spent years inside a bubble and instead of learning, they dive head first right back into that bubble.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
13. sometimes an incredulous, conspiratorial
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jan 2013

"Wow, I imagine if that's true there's gotta be a reason and a precident...let's google around and hit SNOPES and check it out."

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