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Report1212

(661 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:52 AM Jan 2013

FDR's grandson supports Social Security cuts -- is nothing sacred?

And he's being floated as a possible nominee to head the Social Security Administration.

The Boston Globe reports this morning that Tufts Health Plan chief executive James Roosevelt Jr. is being considered for the Obama administration’s nomination to head the Social Security Administration.

Last May, he wrote an op-ed with Robert L. Reynolds, a Republican and CEO of Putnam Investments, where he advocates for raising the Social Security retirement age at a brisker pace as well as cutting back the growth of benefits with a different Consumer Price Index (CPI):

On the benefits side, we should change the way we calculate the cost-of-living adjustment for all beneficiaries, by utilizing a revised Consumer Price Index which most economists agree more accurately reflects the rate of inflation for the expenses most seniors incur. Such a change would curb the rate of increase in benefits for future generations of retirees [...]

Lastly, we should accelerate the rise in Social Security’s full-benefit retirement age from age 67 to 68 by 2030 and then index the full benefit age for future generations to gains in longevity. Life expectancy past age 65 has risen nearly 50 percent since 1940, when Social Security first began regular monthly payments. That said, we should improve disability options for those engaged in physically demanding jobs. No one expects coal miners or telephone line crews to work into their late 60s.

Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/possible-nominee-to-head-social-security-administration-supports-benefit-cuts/
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FDR's grandson supports Social Security cuts -- is nothing sacred? (Original Post) Report1212 Jan 2013 OP
Let me guess, they're both millionaires. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #1
He's a health insurance executive actually Report1212 Jan 2013 #4
FDR was a millionare sabbat hunter Jan 2013 #14
good grief! By the time I get to retirement age it will be 70! WI_DEM Jan 2013 #2
That would be for full benefit SS. grantcart Jan 2013 #28
So what? You aren't your parents or grandparents - you are you. closeupready Jan 2013 #3
Yeah but it has symbolic value Report1212 Jan 2013 #5
"Republicans can look at this and say even the Roosevelts think we're right!" ProSense Jan 2013 #8
Yeah I made a topic about how this Roosevelt is wrong Report1212 Jan 2013 #9
Obviously you do not know the Roosevelt family history. FDR was right and would be again today. jwirr Jan 2013 #25
Yes, of course, and you know they WILL do that. closeupready Jan 2013 #10
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #15
While true, I'm unfair, in that I'm fine with Democrats closeupready Jan 2013 #20
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #21
So true. My father is extremely conservative. Jennicut Jan 2013 #7
Exactly. closeupready Jan 2013 #12
Actually, re: the Bush daughters NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #24
Testimony of James Roosevelt, Jr...Before the United States Senate Committee on Finance ProSense Jan 2013 #6
He changed his views a lot in a year Report1212 Jan 2013 #11
I believe that he was referring to people who want to take full retirement. grantcart Jan 2013 #29
Yes, I like both of those, too. closeupready Jan 2013 #13
and more from the same source ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #27
So, why are "most economists" wrong? Recursion Jan 2013 #16
People don't want an accurate formula for COLAs, they want more money Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #30
So what? My Grandfather voted for FDR and I don't support cuts. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #17
What's your solution? librabear Jan 2013 #18
Number 3 is all you have to do Report1212 Jan 2013 #19
I don't think so librabear Jan 2013 #22
I can believe it WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2013 #23
Nepotism much? He is not qualified for this job, he works for a health insurance company Follow The Money Jan 2013 #26
for some reason, raising the cap is never an option for these rich pundits 0rganism Jan 2013 #31

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. That would be for full benefit SS.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jan 2013

Most people should not take the full benefit option but the early option at 62 (which I believe is not to be changed).

Full benefit SS is a better fit for people like myself that don't have physically demanding jobs and intend to continue to earn a substantial income past 62. For people like us (largely professionals and small business owners) taking early retirement would result in paying taxes on your additional income.

Report1212

(661 posts)
5. Yeah but it has symbolic value
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:03 AM
Jan 2013

Republicans can look at this and say even the Roosevelts think we're right!

Report1212

(661 posts)
9. Yeah I made a topic about how this Roosevelt is wrong
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jan 2013

To make other people think Roosevelts are right.

All reverse psychology.

I'm very sneaky.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
25. Obviously you do not know the Roosevelt family history. FDR was right and would be again today.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jan 2013

The second generation was not part of creating the new deal as they were children at the time. Nor were they by any means perfect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Well ...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jan 2013

the Left does make hay with Ray-gun's son(?), when he says stuff.

But only the most intellectually dishonest will give any credence to trying to align anything the off-spring say that is contrary to the parent.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. While true, I'm unfair, in that I'm fine with Democrats
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jan 2013

and liberals making hay of this when it's Ron Reagan, Jr. but when Republicans do it with Roosevelt, I'd make a stink. And I know that's a double standard, but I support my side without apology.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
7. So true. My father is extremely conservative.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jan 2013

I am about as different from my father as I can get. And the Bush's daughter Barbara supports gay rights. Your last name is not really indicative of your views.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
24. Actually, re: the Bush daughters
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jan 2013

There was an article last year about both of them being "big supporters" of Obama.

So it actually goes further than just lgbt rights.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Testimony of James Roosevelt, Jr...Before the United States Senate Committee on Finance
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jan 2013
Testimony of James Roosevelt, Jr.
President and Chief Executive Officer
Tufts Associated Health Plans, Inc.
Before the United States Senate Committee on Finance
“Perspectives on Deficit Reduction: Social Security”
Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 10:00 am


<…>

What are the policy equivalents of oil changes that will keep the program running? There are a range of options, which alone or in combination can keep Social Security completely solvent almost into the next century. For example, increasing employee and employer contribution rates by 1.1 percent - from the current 6.2 percent to 7.3 percent - would eliminate the entire projected shortfall (i.e., provide 100 percent of benefits after the year 2037 through 2085).

We could eliminate the cap on wages subject to Social Security contributions. In 2010, only earnings up to $106,800 are subject to FICA. In creating the cap, Congress intended to cover 90 percent of the aggregate wages of all workers. Today, because wages have been increasing faster than the cap - especially for the top five percent of wage earners - FICA is assessed on only 83 percent of aggregate wages. If we eliminated the cap, even if we counted all the increased earnings toward benefits, we would eliminate an estimated 95 percent of the shortfall. And, this change would impact only the top six percent of wage earners in this country.

- more -

http://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/051011jrtest.pdf

I like those proposals.

Report1212

(661 posts)
11. He changed his views a lot in a year
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:20 AM
Jan 2013

"Second, we should not contemplate raising the retirement age at which workers can
collect benefits"

Then in 2012 he's saying we should accelerate the rate at which the age requirement rises, in an op-ed written with a Republican who runs a mutual fund.

What happened?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
29. I believe that he was referring to people who want to take full retirement.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jan 2013

Most people take it at 62. Those who take it later are almost all professionals and small business owners who delay starting SS for tax reasons.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
27. and more from the same source ...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jan 2013

There are some ideas which we should oppose. First, we should absolutely oppose any
cut in payment levels. Social Security pays only modest amounts to begin with. The
average benefit check is around $1,100. Cutting benefits would expose millions of
Americans to financial distress – especially the 1/3 of elderly retirees who depend on
Social Security for 90 percent or more of their income.

Second, we should not contemplate raising the retirement age at which workers can
collect benefits, as many are proposing, unless we revamp the disability system under
Social Security. Any change must account for occupational differences and requires
more nuanced, analytical judgments about which people can reasonably be expected to
work to a later age before collecting.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. So, why are "most economists" wrong?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jan 2013

I'm not saying "most economists" are always right, but I'm generally used to having "most economists" on my side, and when I don't I want to take a step back for a minute.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. So what? My Grandfather voted for FDR and I don't support cuts.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jan 2013

Of course I'm not an Insurance executive like Franklin's grandson, so that might have something to do with it.

 

librabear

(85 posts)
18. What's your solution?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jan 2013

The options are:

1) Raise the retirement age
2) Raise the withholdings
3) remove the cap on payments
4) Means testing

I think you're going to have a hell of a time with the last one. I think there's lots of people that will be upset about the government taking more of their money than most of them are contributing to their retirement and giving them nothing in return.

 

librabear

(85 posts)
22. I don't think so
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jan 2013

I think higher FICA contributions in the higher tax brackets will cause a lot of small business owners to pull money out of a business differently. Earned income is already one of the highest taxes sources of income there are, followed by paying taxes on earnings in a C corp and then paying them as dividends.

Let's face it, the tax system is a mess.

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
23. I can believe it
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jan 2013

FDR was considered something of a class traitor by his peers. Kind of like George Soros is today. Nothing rich right wingers hate more than a rich person who is sympathetic to poor people. I guess they got James Jr back in the fold.

 

Follow The Money

(141 posts)
26. Nepotism much? He is not qualified for this job, he works for a health insurance company
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:46 PM
Jan 2013

that said, FDR is rolling in his grave.

0rganism

(23,956 posts)
31. for some reason, raising the cap is never an option for these rich pundits
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jan 2013

Millionaires paying FICA on a larger portion of their incomes? Heresy! Obviously, the old and infirm are sucking us dry, so it's time to tighten the screws.

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