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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid you get the flu shot this season?
Do you plan to? I'm still torn. What's the point if I can still end up with a different strain of the flu?
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Iwasthere
(3,168 posts)Go ahead and trust your doc, but ask him what is in the shot? He will say, 'you HAVE to trust the FDA and the pharmacutical company, they have our best interest in mind.' Personally, The concoction that is in that shot scares me. Most people follow docs advice like he is a God, look at the cancer machine mantra, CHEMO, RADIATION, CUTTING, over and over and over, old school fixes that are making families go bankrupt. We should be beyond that by now, in other countries they are beyond cutting, trying many methods and many of them are REALLY working. You don't have to dig very deep to see the proof.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)I'm alive today because of much you're complaining about.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)for the last 15 years. (I've also had my flu shot.)
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Congratulations on being a survivor. My husband will be coming up on his 7 year remission date from head and neck (also known as oral) cancer.
The treatment was brutal but beats the alternative.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)First time in years, even without any shots during all of that time.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)You can't be 100% sure it will keep you from getting it, but you have a whole lot better chance of not getting it if you do, like 60-80%. Those are decent odds. I had a version of this stuff years ago, and I never want to get that sick again.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Now I'm home with walking pneumonia. But this is no season to fool around; get the shot.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)For some reason "walking pneumonia" always makes me think of this:
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hlthe2b
(102,291 posts)strains, but even in years where the global match is less well targeted, we still see 50-70% efficacy. This year should be better, given what CDC (and WHO) are finding in terms of the circulating strains. I'll take those odds.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)The Tikkis
CBHagman
(16,986 posts)...I can say that I do get a flu shot every season and have for close to two decades, and rarely get sick. For what it's worth, I had my current flu shot back in August 2012.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Still had the fever and cough, but was never down and out.
My wife didn't catch it at all, so the shot worked better for her. She's younger. I'm 67.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)thoughts about how safe it really is and whether the big pharms were screwing with my life for profits.
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)The pharm tech even said "getting this a little late aren't you?" I usually get it in October. It can take up to 2 weeks to take so for those 2 weeks you can still get the flu. I haven't had the seasonal flu ever since I started getting the yearly flu shot. I know it isn't 100% effective and they can get the strains wrong or miss one, but I'd rather have partial protection then none at all.
randome
(34,845 posts)Or is it virii? Whatever.
Listen to your body. Are you prepared to be at Death's door with a violent flu strain? If not, get the shot.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)not be correct Latin, but we go with what is common and traditional.
VIRUSES.
Gothmog
(145,303 posts)I have not come down with the flu but have been fighting a cold for several weeks.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)There are people falling all around me, people falling all around the kids schools... My wife, the kids and I still washing our hands, still standing.
This flu vaccine is over 60% effective and is effective against almost all varieties of flu seen this season including the 4 most common.
Even if you get the flu after the vaccine the illness will probably not be as severe or long lasting as it would without the shot.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)but I have escaped it. Though I did get this stupid head cold - but I was on antibiotics for a UTI at the time and that apparently stopped me from getting my usual horrific laryngitis and bronchitis, lol.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)& Ive never had the flu. Ive also never had chicken pox. Now excuse me while I find some wood to knock on.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)when I was in graduate school. He's an MD/PhD and he never bothered to get the flu shot. He didn't work with patients so he said he wasn't that worried.
Then one year he was out sick for almost two weeks with the flu and he's never missed a shot since.
Good luck with the wood.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Watch... now that I opened my big mouth I'll get both.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)at age 72 of chicken pox encephalitis. He had never had it as a kid because the family was in a very remote, tiny community in NV.
I think the chicken pox vaccine was available when he caught it, too. Which makes it a double tragedy because it could have been prevented. He died horribly, too - ranting and raving and delusional and violent, and it lingered for weeks.
Get it. RIGHT NOW.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Seriously? I honestly had no idea. Perhaps not having insurance for decades has played a part in that. I remember my mother making me stay with my cousin while she had chicken pox (we were 6) in hopes that I would catch it. She was covered. In her throat, eyes, everywhere. I never did catch it though. Boy was my mother PISSED.
After that I thought I was probably immune or something. Kinda the same way I dont get a reaction to poison ivy. Sounds like I should look into the shot anyway. Just to be safe. Thanks for the heads up!
LeftInTX
(25,368 posts)Adults don't handle chicken pox the way kids do. It can be really bad.
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)Getting Chicken Pox can have some very serious complications such as Encephalitis. I had a very mild case as an infant and then got it again as a child, maybe around 6 or 7. Kind of rare for someone to get it twice.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)I'm not sure about myself. I hate shots and I'm afraid of a reaction, but about every seven or eight years I get very ill from the flu and I'm due this year.
Also, a child across the street from my sister just died and four people have died at my mother's assisted living complex.
I think I'm leaning toward getting one.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)... is likely a whole lot more robust than yours! Get the shot!
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)hit those healthy young adults the hardest.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . But under most circumstances, an older adult will be at greater risk than a younger adult.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Don't avoid it because you are afraid of a very rare bad reaction. That's like being afraid of lightning strikes when the sky is clear.
benld74
(9,904 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)and went straight to the flu. Got it traveling over T'Giving
csziggy
(34,136 posts)My husband was sick with it when I got my flu shot. I was probably in the incubation period so the shot was too late.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Get it in Aug next time.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)But I know better!
I couldn't get my shot any earlier due to the timing of my surgeries. I had total knee replacement July 25 and they wouldn't let me get any vaccinations until two months after.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I felt a cold coming on the day after the flu shot. It lasted about a week and I've been fine ever since. Don't take any chances, get the shot.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I had planned to get my flu shot during my annual physical on Wednesday. However, my doctor informed me that they were "temporarily out". He told me that I could get one at WalMart or CVS though. Both of those locations are a distance out of my way, but I will try to get there this weekend.
I had H1N1 in 2009 and would never risk going through something like that again. I'm not understanding this ambivalence among so many posters on this subject.
rightsideout
(978 posts)I heard the supply of the vaccine is running low. One manufacturer has run out and is already starting on planning for the next years dosage. Apparently, they under anticipated the demand. Also the liquid version (kids version) of Tamiflu is in low supply.
Although there are several strains of the flu out this year the shot will still help.
My son got the flu shot and ended up getting the flu a week later but his temperature didn't go above 100 degrees and his symptoms only lasted a couple days then he was out snowboarding 3 days after seeing the doctor. The doctor said the flu shot made enough antibodies to keep it from getting worse. She said if he didn't get the flu shot his temperature probably would have gone up to 104 for up to 3 days and he would have been pretty sick for a week.
So getting the shot does help, even if you get the flu shot and get the flu a few days later.
My son and I need to get it for our Asthma. Our doctors send us a reminder in the mail. We never had any side effects. If you are allergic to eggs then you shouldn't get it. Other then that you should be fine.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)elias7
(4,007 posts)It will not protect from anything except the influenza strains that researchers incorporate into the vaccine. You did the rest all by yourself...
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)hard when I have my son, his wife and kids who get colds.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I told him that if he thought I should, I would do it, and he said that he didn't feel strongly either way. So on that basis, I decided not to - I haven't had it any of these past years, and haven't had the flu except maybe one time.
elfin
(6,262 posts)Roselma
(540 posts)get the shot. Flu can cause a rise in c-reactive protein (inflammation marker). My very healthy, normal cholesterol/trigliceride/blood sugar, average weight, athletic brother got the flu - almost a week of misery. On the first day back to work after feeling like the flu was gone, he had the big one - the elephant on his chest. The cardiologist said that he had excessive arterial inflammation, likely due to the recent flu. The cardiologist recommended getting the flu shot every year. It might not work every season, but then again, it might. It isn't just about feeling crappy during the flu. It is about maybe getting pneumonia with the flu. Or worse, experiencing unseen arterial inflammation.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)As luck would have it, I am down with the flu! Not a bad case, but still missing work.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And I was feeling pretty smug about it until last weekend because in all that time I never had the flu.
Right now I feel like shit.
My wife on the other hand goes and gets a shot every year and she has had 2 or 3 bouts in the same time frame.
She feels like shit too if that proves anything.
Siwsan
(26,268 posts)I have a pretty robust immune system and don't really even get colds, anymore. It might be a gamble, but I am just not comfortable getting injected with something that is, at best, a shot in the dark.
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
(408 posts)never had anything more than a simple case of chicken pox and cold here and there. The youngest one is 6. I think it depends a lot on your lifestyle.
Siwsan
(26,268 posts)I eat a lot of Indian food - lots of garlic, chili, cumin and turmeric. And, during the winter months I try to avoid big indoor crowds. I was given the whole range of immunizations, when I was in the Navy, but never had any sort of reaction.
We all kind of joke that our immune systems are so strong because we used to play outdoors from sun up to sun down, in the woods, in the the fields and even the local creek that was little more than a drainage ditch. I guess if we could survive that without coming down with some sort of hidious microbiotic infestation, we can survive just about anything.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)that we commonly call flu? There's nothing like running a fever for days and coughing for weeks afterwards to make you realize that getting a flu shot to reduce your chances of getting sick again would probably be a good idea.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)bad case of the flu could easily kill him. People that don't get shots are one of the reasons it spreads so much. They don't try to prevent it and then pass it around to others.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)No flu shot.
I'm allergic to eggs.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)plus I don't want the thimerosal (containing mercury) or formaldehyde in my body. From CDC:
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 20122013 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual immunization campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.
If you vaccinate your kids, I would make sure I get the vaccine without thimerosal.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)I'm only allergic to the whites also.
Strange thing, my Mom can't have the flu shot either it causes severe chronic bladder infections for her.
Thanks for the info on the thimerosal. When I was in college during the early '80's, I worked in a pharmacy and the pharmacist warned me about thimerosal. I actually stopped wearing contact lenses because at the time thimerosol was in all of the solutions.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)So should everyone else who ISN'T allergic to eggs.
I don't get why people are so wilfully thick-headed about basic herd health.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)As someone who can't get the vaccine I really appreciate when those around me do.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)My few times with the real flu - not fun - really sick - can't run the risk of having it at my age.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)This is the first time I've ever had one. I had the flu once and I never want to do that again.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)... But I am puzzled by the reasoning underlying your "why bother" question. Why bother protecting yourself from the strain of flu you are most likely to get merely because there's a chance you might contract a different flu strain? That makes no sense to me.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)And fortunately, never had the flu. Of course, it is said to never say never, but I hope my luck will hold out.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)granted, I meant to get it in the fall, but was busy with school and moving. Then was sick in December (for like 3 weeks - was probably just a cold) so didn't want to get the flu shot while sick. Went to one place to get the nasal one and had a really snippy lady there, twice said, "oh, sorry, can't give you one, going on my lunch break" just as I got there. So I went to a different place yesterday and was in and out in 18 minutes. 3 minutes for paperwork and shot, 15 min sitting around after. Easy peasy.
Another place I called said, "oh, sorry, we only do our flu clinics from Oct-Dec." Wow, really? Do they not know flu season lasts until April? wow. I was shocked, as this was a major national pharmacy chain here in Canada. Oh well, another local chain was more than happy to pick up their slack. January is not too late for the flu shot. Also, sometimes strains carry from one year to the next so if a particular strain you had this year is causing illness next August or September, you're protected until your next vaccination.
I shouldn't have waited so long this year - I have asthma that reacts nastily to the flu. Usually I don't even need medication for my asthma, but every time I get the flu, my lungs slam shut and I end up in the ER needing breathing treatments. Then I spend 3-4 months with a hacking cough while taking large doses of inhaled medicine trying to get the inflammation down. I need to be more diligent. The years I've gotten flu shots, I never get sick at all (usually not even colds).
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)watch the sky
(129 posts)and it's all because years ago I was one of the one in five million people that came down with the flu from the vaccination itself, and I'm STILL not over that, heh.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I've thought about it. Then I decided not to get one.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)but talked myself out of it.
I am not high risk so even if I get sick odds are I won't die from it. It also takes ~2 weeks for your body to develop the immunities after the shot.
I might still go do it but maybe not. I saw something on the news last night that some areas are starting to run low on the vaccine. I hate the thought of taking a shot away from someone who is higher risk and might need it.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)I'm pretty deep into chemo treatment and he didn't want me getting some additional ailment to go with my current problem.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I will be 65 next month and have never had the flu. I've met other people who also seem to be immune. I often wonder why studies haven't been done on people like us.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Even if you get a flu - it can help minimize.
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)after being treated for pneumonia (also got the pneumonia vaccine). First time in my life I ever get either one of those vaccines. I've been out almost 2 weeks and still very sick.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And I've never had the flu.
aristocles
(594 posts)Got it once when I was 20 and became horribly ill.
Never had it since, and have been perfectly healthy.
I'm almost 70 now.
sense
(1,219 posts)then I realized I was just blindly following my doctor's advice on far too many things and taking all sorts of prescribed drugs, which were never intended to cure anything, just to "treat". Of course, then I needed more drugs to "treat" the side effects of the first drugs.....
When I developed type 2 diabetes (more than likely caused by one of the drugs she prescribed) she wanted me to follow the ADA's advice about eating for diabetics (yes, of course you can eat starches and sugars......) and simply add more drugs. No, they weren't to cure me, just treat the symptoms, allowing the disease to progress. I finally woke up. Instead of following more rote advice she got from pharmaceutical reps I did my own review of the research, cured my type 2 diabetes and quit taking all of the drugs I'd been blithely prescribed that had never cured me of anything.
I'm healthier than I've been since I began taking many of those drugs 30 years ago.
The ptb have admitted that the flu vaccine they developed for this year doesn't include the strain that is the most prevalent and is having the most adverse affects.
Lots of info online, but you won't find it if you only follow the party line. Kind of like the Geico commercial though.... can't believe everything you read on the internet......Reminds me quite a lot of the political situation in this country. Before the internet it was really easy to hide what politicians were doing and saying. Now, not so much.
Just a couple of links..... this post will quickly be followed by the usual suspects claiming that anything not in the mainstream is woo.... can't wait!
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/reassessing-flu-shots-as-the-season-draws-near/
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/879/9/
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Ours were given pretty early--late September or early October.
I am also (and instilled it in my 2 kids) a massive hand washer and constantly use hand sanitizer (staple in my purse) whenever I leave a public place and wash my hands as soon as I get home. Today I ran into a woman I know that was telling me she's been sick with bronchitis and other things then wanted to hug me when she was leaving and I said sorry, please don't hug me you're sick. She understood.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)I've got a host of physical issues and I'm old, too, so the doc recommends the shots and I get them.
I remember in 1969 (maybe late '68?) almost everybody in our fairly large office got the flu. Sick as dogs for days. Not pretty.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I had the Hong Kong flu really bad in 1968 and have never had the flu since except for really mild cases. I think it immunized me.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)I haven't had anything that bad since but I'm not taking any chances - I never want to feel that crappy again. So I get the shots. I'm not counting on being immune; they say that wanes with age.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)The other was when I had viral meningitis/encephalitis in 1980. I wouldn't wish either of those on my worst enemy.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)and that might have been worse. But not much. Viral meningitis sounds wretched, too.
Since I am now kind of old, I'm not taking any chances of getting something that might take me out.
Nay
(12,051 posts)definitively that it was a mild case of the flu, but it sure didn't seem to be a simple cold. Low fever, sudden headache/sore throat/intense body aches, lasted 7 days. I wasn't bedridden, but on the 5th day I did a simple chore (took book back to the library) and it wore me out. Ding, ding! That's how flu usually affects me -- with excessive fatigue. I don't get that feeling with a cold.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and then I started getting annual flu shuts. Since then (18 years ago) I hardly even get a cold.
Yes, if you take the flu shot you could still get a different strain of flu. But if you don't take the flu shot you could still get a different strain of flu -- in addition to another bout of flu caused by an organism that the shot could have protected you from.
There's no rule that says you can only get one flu in a season.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'm not a dumb fuck.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Didn't hurt to get it but arm soreness lasted longer.
The vaxes are supposed to be about 62% effective in preventing flu, with milder flu illnesses if you do get the flu. I think that's worth the risk if you can take the vax, even though the outbreak is slowing down.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I wish I had gotten the shot. Most likely it will target the right strain.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)from propagating through the herd and killing people who CAN'T get vaccines or whose bodies respond poorly. And you will carry that immunity with you for many years.
Contributing to herd health is ALWAYS the responsible thing to do.
And no, you CAN NOT catch the flu from the vaccine. It's physically impossible (though you can get sick from the flu if you got exposed prior to your body responding to the vaccine, which happens when people wait until late in the season, lol).
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)go ahead with it today. We have a health clinic on our worksite and the shot was free. It took 2 seconds and was painless. I may come down with a lesser form of the flu sometime this winter, but I really don't want to catch the the most deadly form of it. I hate being sick. Last time I was down with the flu, it took about 3 months for me to really feel back to normal.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)She asked I was around young or elderly...and why would I want to put them at risk?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Getting a flu shot will not prevent a different strain of flu. It will not protect you from venereal disease. It will not reduce your risk of auto accidents. There are many things it won't do.
brewens
(13,592 posts)drives. Only one time did I feel any ill effect. I forgot about the shot and at the gym the next day, I was worthless! I had nothing! Then I had that kind of achy, chilly feeling you get when you are coming down with something. Maybe it wasn't the shot but I remembered getting it and thought that might be the case. It only lasted that day though and I didn't get sick. One time out of about 20 years of getting shots.
I still tend to get one bad cold/flu every year. You just don't know if it helped or not, but I'd say it does. I've been around plenty of sick people when you'd think you would catch it from them and never did.
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)Twenty children have already died this year, at last count, from the flu. I got the shot. I have had the flu. Death is surely worse than both.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)I started getting it a few years ago. There were still shortages then, but the doctor urged me to get it because I'd had an immune system disorder and then treatment that further compromises the immune system. I've gotten it every year for about the last five or six years except for skipping it one year. That year I got something...don't know for sure if it was the flu...but i was sooo sick. I haven't skipped it since. So far so good, but I'm not counting on anything. I am convinced it helps, though.
tjwash
(8,219 posts)FreeJoe
(1,039 posts)All I have to do is print and sign a release form. Then the company doctor walks around the building giving flu shots. Takes just a minute out of my day and doesn't cost me anything.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)doc03
(35,345 posts)since but I have still got a mild case a couple tiimes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Have had a flu shot every year for the past 15 except for last year (don't remember why I didn't but whatever). Don't avoid doing it.
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)- I almost never get sick.
cali
(114,904 posts)10 days ago and now I have pneumonia.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)was the one year I got the vaccine. I got a different strain. I work in Education and am very exposed to it every year for the last 40+ years, I seem to be very resistant to it for some reason, so I don't get the vaccine.
rox63
(9,464 posts)When I had my annual physical. With the virulent flu virus that has hit this year, I'm very glad I did. There are now shortages of the flu vaccine, and I'm all set.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)This year I got what probably was the flu but it only lasted for about 3 days and was no big deal. No one else in my house got it.... First time I've ben sick in probably 10 years....I owe my strong immune system to being a subpar housekeeper. My sister is obsessed with cleaning, germs and buys disinfectant, bleach and antibacterial soap in BULK and her family is ALWAYS sick. Me and my family live in a reasonably clean but overall unsterile house (I'd give us a 5.767434 on a scale of 1-10). We're exposed to the germs so we've got MIGHTY immune systems. That's my theory (and my excuse for not being clean freak)
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 12, 2013, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)
and no insurance. A bad flu for me could be fatal, so yes, I got the flu shot.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I live in California, we're not on the list but every other state is -- and NY just declared State of Emergency BUT it's leveling off already.