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joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:48 PM Jan 2013

Quentin Tarantino shuts down interviewer over questioning about violence

Quentin Tarantino's latest film "Django Unchained," nominated Thursday for three Oscars, bears the director's trademark: it is rife with violence. In an interview to promote the film, Krishnan Guru-Murthy of Britain's Channel 4 News attempts to ask Tarantino about what link there might be between violence in films and the proliferation of real-life violence -- and Tarantino wasn't having it.

"Why are you so sure that there's no link between enjoying movie violence and enjoying real violence?" Guru-Murthy asked Tarantino.

"Don't ask me a question like that -- I'm not biting," Tarantino responded. "I refuse your question."

"Why?"

"Because I refuse your question," Tarantino repeated. "I'm not your slave and you're not my master. You can't make me dance to your tune. I'm not a monkey."

http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/11/16465162-quentin-tarantino-shuts-down-interviewer-over-questioning-about-violence?lite

What an over-rated SOS Tarrantino is...I don't think there's a connection; however, what a diva he is...acting as if the question was not approproate...given recent circumstances, it certainly.

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Quentin Tarantino shuts down interviewer over questioning about violence (Original Post) joeybee12 Jan 2013 OP
he's probably been asked that question a million times.. frylock Jan 2013 #1
All he had to say is show me the studies that show the joeybee12 Jan 2013 #4
I'm not sure what the correlation is Major Nikon Jan 2013 #88
He chooses not to tavalon Jan 2013 #96
He could have answered the question honestly instead of sounding defensive about it. randome Jan 2013 #2
Did you not see the Kill Bill's? lynne Jan 2013 #8
It goes all the way back to RESERVOIR DOGS derby378 Jan 2013 #10
. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #35
I have seen the movies. My daughters have, too. randome Jan 2013 #14
I don't like movie violence but Kill Bill was so over the top, I couldn't take it seriously tavalon Jan 2013 #97
I wouldn't take my 15 year old to see any Tarantino movie RainDog Jan 2013 #9
Eh. They liked Pulp Fiction. randome Jan 2013 #16
I wouldn't allow my sons to watch Pulp Fiction until they were older RainDog Jan 2013 #18
I push the envelope a little with my daughters but I try not to do that too much. randome Jan 2013 #24
Me too. Not to mention it's just, overall, a better story RainDog Jan 2013 #73
My parents took me to see pulp fiction when I was 13 years old Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #31
I didn't allow my son to play grand theft auto, either RainDog Jan 2013 #74
I've seen it and I suggest you see it alone. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #54
I think you're making a mistake not seeing it--the violence in this movie is actually important-- Moonwalk Jan 2013 #86
Whitewash History? Sheesh, after Inglorious Basterds attempted to rewrite the Holocaust? graham4anything Jan 2013 #111
So tell me, when did you stop beating your wife/children? TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #107
Good for Mr. Tarantino. MineralMan Jan 2013 #3
+1000 n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #51
I agree. sekha68 Jan 2013 #59
Agreed! Good for him! nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #65
Agreed. The interviewer is entitled to ask, but he's not obliged to answer. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #82
I really can't stand his work. Skidmore Jan 2013 #5
+100 FirstLight Jan 2013 #33
Totally agree laundry_queen Jan 2013 #38
I concur with your opionions Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #48
Fargo is far and above one of my favorite films tavalon Jan 2013 #98
Apparently, Tarantino Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #102
I didn't expect to love Fargo tavalon Jan 2013 #103
Funny. Fargo is one of my favorite films of all time. maxsolomon Jan 2013 #52
he didn't do fargo elehhhhna Jan 2013 #60
Umm... maxsolomon Jan 2013 #72
oops sorry elehhhhna Jan 2013 #89
It caught me too. tavalon Jan 2013 #99
The Coen Brothers films are some of my all-time favorites. RainDog Jan 2013 #75
I finally figured out that I only like the ones that have some comedy tavalon Jan 2013 #104
The only interesting thing I find about Quentin Tarantino is his name. nt Ilsa Jan 2013 #53
He made (in the Gross interview) a point.. sendero Jan 2013 #58
BINGO redStateBlueHeart Jan 2013 #92
I listened to that interview, and we are of the same opinion LanternWaste Jan 2013 #84
So who wants to make the argument? RainDog Jan 2013 #85
His movies are annoying, hackish, and over-stylized to the point of nausea. Dash87 Jan 2013 #94
Good for him. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #6
Tarantino is making whites talk about race privilege. He's not over-rated at all, imo RainDog Jan 2013 #7
He's all like, "Don't start nuthin', won't be nuthin'." He's totally right. ancianita Jan 2013 #11
American action films make more $$$ overseas than domestically so if the TeamPooka Jan 2013 #12
That is the correct answer. KamaAina Jan 2013 #26
Very good tavalon Jan 2013 #100
I'm very much looking forwards to seeing Django Unchained Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #13
Why? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #23
I agree, I thought it a mess of a film. Robb Jan 2013 #29
it was an homage to spaghetti westerns.. frylock Jan 2013 #45
I just heard about it when the Oscar nods came out. Damn this movie sounds confusing Number23 Jan 2013 #55
"Didn't even sound to me as though he was TRYING to make a black Western" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #57
Ever see Ingloroius Basterds by Tarentino? Jennicut Jan 2013 #71
yet he still gets 3 oscar nominations, even with your review, go figure. crazyjoe Jan 2013 #67
I wish I didn't. Tempest Jan 2013 #36
I think it is a very good movie chelsea0011 Jan 2013 #43
Yes. Samuel L. Jackson made the film, imo. RainDog Jan 2013 #77
Good for him. The question itself is weaponized, it is a passive aggressive way of accusing him Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #15
I see your points but... randome Jan 2013 #17
LOL RainDog Jan 2013 #20
Yeah, I know it does. randome Jan 2013 #25
Although that's far from what Tarantino did say in the interview muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #46
he is an overgrown teenager quinnox Jan 2013 #19
I LOVE Quentin Taratino...Resevoir Dogs..one of my favorite angstlessk Jan 2013 #21
Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are two of my favorites.. Upton Jan 2013 #22
kill bill was excellent too samsingh Jan 2013 #28
I saw it..it was okay Upton Jan 2013 #34
most of his stuff tends to be exaggerated samsingh Jan 2013 #41
You ever see Killing Zoe? Upton Jan 2013 #44
Kill Bill's style was deliberately over-the-top. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #63
Everything in Kill Bill was overdone tavalon Jan 2013 #101
Possibly THE most over-rated director of all time.. truebrit71 Jan 2013 #27
Afraid I agree BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #32
+1 nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #39
I've never seen a Tarantino movie I didn't enjoy. I've watch many crazyjoe Jan 2013 #69
^^^+1^^^ progressoid Jan 2013 #83
He is so good he ruined a generation of directors who can help but copy him. Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #113
Tarantino came across just as badly as the gun nutz in that segment. karpool Jan 2013 #30
Tarantino is similar to a pornographer/panderer--would anybody see his films WITHOUT the cartoonish Romulox Jan 2013 #37
The only way to understand Tarantino is to remember that he worked in a video store. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #40
Same with Kevin Smith's movies Tempest Jan 2013 #42
Good for him. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #47
I taught film studies, but not Tarantino. My students, still, had a familiarity with ancianita Jan 2013 #49
+1000 sekha68 Jan 2013 #70
Fantastic post. Spot on. n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #80
Thanks for the rant! BlueIndyBlue Jan 2013 #91
Thank you, too! I'm really sorry to hear about Jackson. Samuel L. Jackson truly did get shafted. ancianita Jan 2013 #106
If Tarrantino was smart ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #50
You would Cha Jan 2013 #81
Do they watch Tarantino Movies in Japan ? JI7 Jan 2013 #56
Just saw it today. GREAT film. Will probably go see it again before it's out of theatres. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #61
He's protesting too much.. It's a fair question. "puppet" "slave" "monkey"? Cha Jan 2013 #62
Movies aren't real. 99Forever Jan 2013 #64
I love Tarantino movies. Violent, but funny at the same time. crazyjoe Jan 2013 #66
He directs some of the most violent films out there. GObamaGO Jan 2013 #68
A monkey sells what he knows is popular, a monkey puts out there what he knows will bring 2on2u Jan 2013 #76
Goes with the flow? You obviously don't understand Tarantino. ancianita Jan 2013 #108
Did he start to hold his breath until the interviewer whistler162 Jan 2013 #78
The man is an artist. He's so forthcoming about his craft and his process. I think Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #79
Truedat. ancianita Jan 2013 #109
Read this interview with Kerry Washington before you pass any knee-jerk judgement... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #87
Actually, what's upsetting most of the right-wing media is that this movie is about a black man... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #90
I thought I was the only one who didn't like his work. tavernier Jan 2013 #93
I don't like a lot of Tarantino's movies but he's a talented guy and smart as a whip tavalon Jan 2013 #95
terry gross basically asked the same, but better. pansypoo53219 Jan 2013 #105
He is the rightwing dream using every single NRA soundbyte and making millions. graham4anything Jan 2013 #110
I would never presume.. sendero Jan 2013 #112
Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs are the only two of his that are serious TransitJohn Jan 2013 #114
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. All he had to say is show me the studies that show the
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jan 2013

correlation between movie violence and rel-life violenece...tough shit..he makes a fortune, he should be able to handle it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
88. I'm not sure what the correlation is
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jan 2013

But correlation does not imply causation. I know of no studies that reconcile the fact that movies have gotten unquestionably much more violent over the same time period that real violence has declined significantly. It's pretty hard to ignore that correlation.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. He could have answered the question honestly instead of sounding defensive about it.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jan 2013

I was planning on seeing Django Unchained with my daughters. But I'm glad we didn't get the chance to see it when it came out because I've heard the level of violence is very disturbing. My daughters are 15 and they can handle some rough stuff but it sounds like the violence overwhelms the story, or at least competes unnecessarily with it.

I think directors who are losing their moxie start to throw in more heaps of violence thinking it makes them relevant.

It sounds like a great story on its own but I think we'll pass on it for now.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
8. Did you not see the Kill Bill's?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:59 PM
Jan 2013

As far as throwing in more heaps of violence to be relevant, I'm not sure how much more violence the Kill Bill's could have had.

If you've not seen Kill Bill 1 or 2, I'd recommend you take a peek before taking your daughters to see any of his films. FWIW, I love both Kill Bill's but they most certainly are violent.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
10. It goes all the way back to RESERVOIR DOGS
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jan 2013

And that movie even came with a torture scene. "You ever listen to K. Bailey's Super Sounds of the 70s?"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. I have seen the movies. My daughters have, too.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jan 2013

Violence in itself doesn't bother me or them but my feeling on Django is that it is more visceral and perhaps does not add to the story. Or attempts to add more than is necessary.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
97. I don't like movie violence but Kill Bill was so over the top, I couldn't take it seriously
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:42 AM
Jan 2013

It was like video game violence brought to the big screen.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
9. I wouldn't take my 15 year old to see any Tarantino movie
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jan 2013

His movies are for adults, not teenagers.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Eh. They liked Pulp Fiction.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jan 2013

But that was more stylish than Django sounds. But after hearing reviews, I started thinking DJango might be pushing things too much. I'm glad I waited. Now I don't think we'll see it.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
18. I wouldn't allow my sons to watch Pulp Fiction until they were older
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jan 2013

This is pretty funny - this little conversation. We're so often on different sides of the cannabis issue and often your take revolves around the issue of teenagers.

I draw a line between the world of teenagers and the world of adults.

I saw Pulp Fiction in the theater when it was first released. The movie had such an impact upon me, I didn't even want to watch any other media for days because nothing else could come close to the characters and scenes in that movie.

I'm also part of the "hide your eyes" crew for certain parts of films, like the "Stuck in the Middle With You" dance scene in Rez Dogs.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. I push the envelope a little with my daughters but I try not to do that too much.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jan 2013

We just watched Pulp Fiction together for the first time about a month ago. I can always use a different perspective so I can see where I might be pushing too much.

I find movies like Pulp Fiction to be more scary than zombie films precisely because they DO reflect reality.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
73. Me too. Not to mention it's just, overall, a better story
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jan 2013

And the way the story was told made it art.

It's also, ultimately, a "redemptive" story - if you follow the story arc of Jules.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
31. My parents took me to see pulp fiction when I was 13 years old
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jan 2013

I think anyone 12 and above can see Tarantino movies.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
74. I didn't allow my son to play grand theft auto, either
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jan 2013

I guess I'm just one of "those" parents.

Maybe it depends on the kid, but the themes of Tarantino's movies, and they way they are played out, are adult content, imo.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
86. I think you're making a mistake not seeing it--the violence in this movie is actually important--
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jan 2013

not the spaghetti western shoot-up violence that tips it's hat to those gory old flicks, but the violence that the movie depicts being done against slaves. This is the first time since Roots no one is softening the blow or pretending that it "wasn't all that bad" for the slaves. That violence is very necessary in order to turn people's stomachs about slavery and make sure that those in the south who'd like to pretend the Civil War was all about "State's Rights" don't have a leg to stand on any longer.

Over the last 20 years, white bigots on the right have tried their best to bring back the romance of the confederacy. They've tried to pretend slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, they've even taken mention of slavery out of the history books in Texas. THIS IS ALARMING. And nothing has countered this propaganda till now. And the joy I get from this movie is that there isn't a thing those confederate flag-wavers can do about it. Kids who read those faux text books will, I hope, see this movie, read how the depictions of what happens to the slaves was all based on historical record, and realize that they've been lied to. And be ashamed of that confederate flag rather than willing to wave it.

You don't have to like Tarantino's enjoyment of movie violence, or approve of how he answered this question--though he sounds to me more like someone who has had it with Fox type interviewers trying to bait him into being the goat for gun violence rather than being serious journalists.

We on the left, however, really need to support this movie for doing what we haven't been doing. Countering these shameful and horrible attempt to whitewash our history so that most Americans don't have to acknowledge one of American's great sins. Tarantino had the money and clout to do this, no studio looking over his shoulder ordering him to tone it down. And so I don't care if he acts like an ass to an ass an of interviewer, I'm saluting him and supporting his movie.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
111. Whitewash History? Sheesh, after Inglorious Basterds attempted to rewrite the Holocaust?
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:04 AM
Jan 2013

and used every single NRA soundbyte

while he might be attempting satire, the rightwing who flocks to his movies
DO NOT GET SATIRE,IRONY, FARCE

they just see straight ahead at the screen and came away with the thought, the lie of a thought the NRA promotes, if only Jews had guns

or they stockpile guns to stop the government today, like their puny gun would stop a bunker busting bomb anyway

No, Tarentino is milking the public, is NOT an artiste, but gets off on violence.
He himself loves these films, as he so steals from the ones he copies

He is a sixth rate David Lynch, who doesn't know the meaning of the word artist.

Tarentino is not putting any money back into causes, only place his money goes is into his $$$bank account. And he is laughing at the irony of being the rightwing poster boy for guns guns guns

I am glad he did not get an Oscar nomination for direction.

Spike Lee is 100% correct.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
107. So tell me, when did you stop beating your wife/children?
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:18 AM
Jan 2013

Please note I am NOT accusing you of anything, just making an illustrative point.

Some questions do not deserve an answer.

People who insist on answers to such questions generally have an axe to grind.

sekha68

(12 posts)
59. I agree.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jan 2013

Over the years, as he stated to the interviewer, he's been asked this question repeatedly, and he's answered it repeatedly. At this point in his career, it's nothing but goading.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. I really can't stand his work.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jan 2013

I never have gotten the appeal of "Pulp Fiction" and it is right up there with "Fargo" on my least favorite films of all times list. I heard Terry Gross interviewing him on NPR and Terry is always a gracious and well-informed interviewer. He was downright rude to her over the same type of question. He seems to think that violence is somehow sexy. I think the man is someone with personality problems who has happened to find a medium in which to play out his darker take on the world.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
33. +100
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jan 2013

not into the whole violence for violence's sake genre...and honestly, pulp fiction was disturbing on several levels. The only 'funny' was travolta and jackson...but the rest was just wrong on so many levels.

I think he's pretty whacked in the head, and yet he thinks he is so cool for being that way

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
38. Totally agree
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jan 2013

don't get the appeal at all. I find his movies disturbing and not enjoyable. And as much as I love Leo, maybe I'll have to avoid this latest movie if there's that much violence.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
48. I concur with your opionions
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jan 2013

on both "Pulp Fiction" and "Fargo." I tried watching "Pulp Fiction" twice and got maybe halfway through it both times and finally gave up trying to understand, well, ANYTHING about the damned thing. I tried watching "Fargo" three times and fell asleep all three times. I don't know, maybe my tastes aren't sophisticated enough or something.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
102. Apparently, Tarantino
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:54 AM
Jan 2013

didn't do Fargo. I was just responding to the poster above. On another note, I have a long history of doing a on movies that everyone else raves about.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
103. I didn't expect to love Fargo
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:57 AM
Jan 2013

I think it was the accents and the great performance by the female lead. Yah, you betchya.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
52. Funny. Fargo is one of my favorite films of all time.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:30 PM
Jan 2013

I watched the last hour of it again on Tuesday night.

Artists are often malcontents with "darker takes on the world".The history of film is rife with them - Bunuel, Hitchcock, Cassavetes, Von Trier.

Tarantino should have a pat answer for that question by this point.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
75. The Coen Brothers films are some of my all-time favorites.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jan 2013

Miller's Crossing, Fargo, The Big Leb., Hudsucker Proxy... these sorts of stories, told in these ways, is why I go to the movies.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
104. I finally figured out that I only like the ones that have some comedy
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:58 AM
Jan 2013

The serious and seriously fucked up, IMO, No Country For Old Men, really soured me on them. I wish I had walked out of that movie 5 minutes in.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
58. He made (in the Gross interview) a point..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jan 2013

... that I think has some validity. He said, paraphrasing as best I can, that the violence in his movies is over the top to the point of not being realistic, and that he didn't see how anyone could take it seriously.

I kind of get what he is saying. I am not a fan of movie violence, and frankly the gorier/explicit stuff makes me practically ill. Pulp fiction was hard to watch in spots but IMHO you cannot deny the power of the film.

I have not seen Django yet and will probably get around to it, I'm in no hurry.

redStateBlueHeart

(265 posts)
92. BINGO
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:43 PM
Jan 2013

Especially with Django. It would seem Tarantino is a fan of Sam Raimi films ("The Evil Dead 1/2", "Army of Darkness&quot although Raimi gets even more ridiculously awesome with the violence (think buckets of red, green and black blood).

Tarantino's actually one of my favorite film directors and "Pulp Fiction" is probably in my top 5 films of all time. That being said, that movie scared the crap out of me when I first saw it...although the fact that I was 6 years old probably had something to do with it. Back in the day mom let me watch whatever movie she watched, thinking I was too young to absorb any of it (WRONG). That OD-adrenaline-shot-to-the-heart scene really stays with ya, man

P.S. Django was good, not "Pulp Fiction" or "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" good but still hella fun. The thing I love about Tarantino is he's just like..."OK, let's go for historical accuracy...ya know what, fuck it, I'm just gonna do whatever the hell I want!", e.g. Sam Jackson's character swearing like a modern-day guy. What I love about his filmmaking is you can tell he's a movie-lover and is having a hella good time making a film. Also, there's just something about the way that Christoph Waltz delivers Tarantino's dialogue that is simply...delicious.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
84. I listened to that interview, and we are of the same opinion
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jan 2013

I listened to that interview, and we are of the same opinion. Regardless, violence in films is simply another sacred cow to too many people-- bring it up, and many will immediately minimize or trivialize it, but rarely discuss it.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
85. So who wants to make the argument?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jan 2013

This argument has been made throughout history.

Jane fucking Austen defended female novel readers because society in her time were sure that novel reading was going to lead to the downfall of female virtue.

Since when are artists not allowed to depict the REAL violence that occurred to REAL PEOPLE who were so desensitized by their exposure to putrid stories in the bible... that were twisted to endorse what they already wanted to do?

I mean, honestly, if you look at it, the Civil War was the most violent conflict in this nation's history. How violent was the media of the time? ooh, ooh, I know, I know! (holding up my hand.) It was nothing compared to the realistic depictions we see today, beyond battle scene photos of dead soldiers.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
94. His movies are annoying, hackish, and over-stylized to the point of nausea.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jan 2013

He's a very pretentious director who assigns significant meaning to his mediocre action flicks.

With that being said, he was right in this segment. The interviewer was asking loaded questions regarding violence, and linking his movies to tragedies. Tarantino didn't have to say anything about it.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
6. Good for him.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jan 2013

The line of questioning is ludicrous. Crazy people do crazy things. The problem is lack of mental health care and readily available military style weapons. It's not Tarentino's movies, it's not Heavy Metal and it's not D&D or video games.

I'm glad he shut this horseshit down.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
7. Tarantino is making whites talk about race privilege. He's not over-rated at all, imo
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jan 2013

There's no causal relationship demonstrated between movie or video games and gun violence, so why should an entertainment reporter ask such a stupid question?

Tarantino isn't an expert on an issue and the reporter certainly isn't either - so, honestly, what a stupid question.

ancianita

(36,082 posts)
11. He's all like, "Don't start nuthin', won't be nuthin'." He's totally right.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jan 2013

While an artist is alive, he has a right to referee -- or stake out the parameters of -- how his work is received and interpreted.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
12. American action films make more $$$ overseas than domestically so if the
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jan 2013

violence is created by films why isn't the whole world doing what we are doing vis a vis gun violence?
Oh yeah, they have strict gun laws in all those other countries.....

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
23. Why?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jan 2013

Don't believe the hype. Its pretty mediocre. Wait for video



I believe QT had an amazing opportunity to make a great black western, and blew it with incoherent/conflicting styles, silliness, cliches, 10 foot long blood squirts, dramatic posing, etc. When the dust settles, it may not even be one of his top.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
29. I agree, I thought it a mess of a film.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

I've enjoyed his earlier work, this one just fell flat with me.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
45. it was an homage to spaghetti westerns..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jan 2013

which were rife with cliches, 10 foot long blood squirts, dramatic posing, etc. I thought it was okay. overly long, but I certainly enjoyed Christopher Waltz's work and look forward to seeing him in more films.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
55. I just heard about it when the Oscar nods came out. Damn this movie sounds confusing
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:45 PM
Jan 2013

Though I do love Jamie Foxx.

I believe QT had an amazing opportunity to make a great black western, and blew it

Interesting. Didn't even sound to me as though he was TRYING to make a black Western, great or otherwise. Sounded as though it was another excuse to splash blood all over the screen.

The premise of the movie sounds interesting but confusing. I guess I'm just trying to figure it all out.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
57. "Didn't even sound to me as though he was TRYING to make a black Western"
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:08 PM
Jan 2013

Hm. Maybe Im overthinking it. There are so many motifs about equality and race relations I thought maybe it was trying to do or be something. Maybe it was just a theme for a gory and entertaining movie. Maybe I expect too much.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
71. Ever see Ingloroius Basterds by Tarentino?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jan 2013

That was over the top too. I think that is just his style. But he is a huge egomaniac,even if I like many of his films.

Tempest

(14,591 posts)
36. I wish I didn't.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jan 2013

It was a cinematic mess.

I lost respect of the Oscar members a long time ago and this piece of junk getting three nominations confirms it.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
43. I think it is a very good movie
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jan 2013

He has copied the spaghetti western quite well with this movie. The music is great in it. Tarantino's films don't always do it for me, but he is a very good film maker. Samuel L. Jackson gives a very disturbing and I think brave performance. He was snubbed for an Oscar considering Alan Arkin was nominated for the same role he has been playing all of his life.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
77. Yes. Samuel L. Jackson made the film, imo.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:31 PM
Jan 2013

Of course the leads did great jobs - but the performance that is REALLY important and disturbing is Jackson's.

I don't think it's one of Tarantino's greatest, but he's a filmmaker whose work is worth following, imo.

Pulp, Rez and Kill Bill are his best work, imo.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. Good for him. The question itself is weaponized, it is a passive aggressive way of accusing him
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jan 2013

of guilt for this violence to avoid the culpability of those who commit violence and those who profit hugely from real violence.
In addition, Guru-Murthy has it all backwards. It is the job of the artist to reflect that which exists in our culture, not to edit out the rough parts to make the world look better. If Guru-Mrthy wants to see films without violence she needs to create a world without violence, a job at which the reporter is failing, as is the BBC and the government of the UK.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. I see your points but...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jan 2013

...institutionalized slavery no longer exists. And the violence in the movie related to a past century, not the present, so it's not much of a reflection on society today.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
20. LOL
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jan 2013

Movies that are set in the past certainly do talk about the present. Tarantino talked about the war on drugs and the American prison and legal system and the disparity between sentencing for whites and blacks. He said that's slavery by another name.

Which is also the title of a great book about the re-imposition of slavery by Jim Crow laws after the south lost the war - they didn't care, they just found new way to create a permanent underclass by false charges of crimes and false claims that put (mostly) black men into indentured servitude... all the while the whites were thinking they were so much better than those "criminals."

This issue is THE issue of American life.

The history of slavery in this nation informs every part of life.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
46. Although that's far from what Tarantino did say in the interview
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jan 2013

He described the violence as fantasy, not "that which exists in our culture", such as one guy fighting a hundred; and Tarantino sees it as cathartic. Guru-Murthy is a man, by the way. He didn't say he didn't want to see films without violence; he asked why Tarantino was sure there's no connection between enjoying the violence in a movie and enjoying it in real life. As others have pointed out, Tarantino could have pointed to studies saying there's no connection found.

Why do you single out the BBC and the UK government as failing to create a world without violence?

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
19. he is an overgrown teenager
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jan 2013

His movies reflect his personality well, superficial, flashy, with no substance.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
21. I LOVE Quentin Taratino...Resevoir Dogs..one of my favorite
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jan 2013

I had never heard of it...but found it back in the 'old days' back when you picked out your movie sleeve took it to the counter and they put the vcr video into the sleeve...I was surprised...but I knew it was a movie...and not real life...

What I found SHOCKING was COPS the TV show...it showed a man being gunned down right on teevee.....in REAL LIFE! That show made me feel sick to my stomach..and I knew if I watched to many more episodes I would be inured to murder...so I quit watching it.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
22. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are two of my favorites..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jan 2013

Tarantino is an excellent director..Good for him for telling the interviewer where to get off..

Upton

(9,709 posts)
44. You ever see Killing Zoe?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jan 2013

Directed by Roger Avary and produced by Tarantino. Definitely different, I guess it's sort of a cult film....and another favorite of mine.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
63. Kill Bill's style was deliberately over-the-top.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jan 2013

It was homage to 70's Kung-Fu flicks, complete with the high-pressure blood-sprays.

What do you expect from a movie with David Carradine in it?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
27. Possibly THE most over-rated director of all time..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jan 2013

His movies feature the weakest dialogue imaginable coupled with an orgy of gore, sadism and violence that borders on sensory overload...whatever personal demons that man has I wish he would work them out with a therapist instead of on the silver screen..

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
32. Afraid I agree
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jan 2013

I find his films unwatchable. The occasional good scene (or even a few as in Pulp Fiction). But they all fall apart along the way. Can't help but conclude that plot and character development are an afterthought for him.

 

crazyjoe

(1,191 posts)
69. I've never seen a Tarantino movie I didn't enjoy. I've watch many
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
Jan 2013

multiple times, I think he's great.
Well, DeathProof went on to long, but other than that......

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
113. He is so good he ruined a generation of directors who can help but copy him.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

Changed cinema. When they teach the history of file QT will be right up there with DeMille.

 

karpool

(26 posts)
30. Tarantino came across just as badly as the gun nutz in that segment.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

He gave Alex Jones a run for the money.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
37. Tarantino is similar to a pornographer/panderer--would anybody see his films WITHOUT the cartoonish
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:40 PM
Jan 2013

violence? I think not.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. The only way to understand Tarantino is to remember that he worked in a video store.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:45 PM
Jan 2013

His movies can only be understood as a movie geek's talking in movie geek language- to other movie geeks.

Some of them I've enjoyed, but only in small occasional doses. I think he has been, at times, way overrated, but the movie geekery aspect guarantees he'll always have friends in Hollywood.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
47. Good for him.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jan 2013

There was horrific violence all over the world before video games, movies, and television. To say that's a cause of the slaughter in this country is incredibly naive.

ancianita

(36,082 posts)
49. I taught film studies, but not Tarantino. My students, still, had a familiarity with
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jan 2013

his content and style. This interviewer was insulting to not ask more intelligent questions about his body of work and how this film fits it.

Tarantino's whole "it could have happened" approach to reinterpreting an historical character and time is a damned fine artistic path that he's carving out for himself. I can say with the confidence of one who has taught African American Literature and film studies for over 25 of my 34 teaching years, that anyone who calls this minstrelsy -- not that anyone HERE has -- doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

Tarantino said of the film that it is meant to be a jagged pill for us to swallow with no water. Back when "Pulp Fiction" (l994) did the master/slave reversal by having Ving Rhames' character, who is the master to Travolta, the house slave, and Willis, the field slave -- Tarantino was brillant, in my view. Most people didn't catch that historical reversal, which he's now developing in full features. But the ongoing male violence/dominance memes of his films raise all kinds of questions about heroism, adaptation and overcoming the trappings of decadence.

This and "Inglorious Basterds' " stylized filmwork aggrandizes what has been buried in history. I call his latest a fair compensation to amplify the agency of tens of thousands, if not millions, of slaves in that era, who couldn't retell their rebellious heroisms for themselves. It's not paternalism. It's using art to uncover buried 'agency' and greatness of a people.

End of rant.

sekha68

(12 posts)
70. +1000
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jan 2013

I am a long-time Tarantino fan; however, regardless of individual tastes in film, I thought this particular interviewer was incredibly insulting. I saw an excellent interview with Tarantino recently regarding "Django". The interviewer asked intelligent, non-loaded questions about the film and its implications with regard to the current state of race relations in America; thereby, he received direct, intelligent answers.

I was going to post the link, but it's been a long while since I've been a poster on DU, and I haven't had a chance to review the rules regarding links, etc.

BlueIndyBlue

(96 posts)
91. Thanks for the rant!
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jan 2013

I saw the movie on New Year's Day. I am an African-American female and probably not Tarantino's target audience. But, I must confess to loving his movies. I love the style of his movies and have seen Pulp Fiction many times.

I thought the violence in D'jango was appropriate to illustrate the brutality of slavery. It showed how ingrained in the minds of whites of the time the image of people of color as not human. How else could one person treat another human being that way. I saw the movie with a theater full of white folks and when it ended, people filed out in silence. Hopefully there were some discussions about the issues the movie raised on the way home.

Samuel L. Jackson was shafted by the Oscars for not getting a nod for his performance. I have always loved his characters in his films. He has made me laugh and shake my head. But this movie made me totally loathe his character. I lost Samuel L. Jackson into the person of the "house slave". Unfortunately, we still have quite a few real-life examples of "house slaves" today.

I have encouraged people to see this film. This doesn't equate D'jango with a history book but depictions of the horrific violent institution of slavery is never going to be easy to see or atone for.

ancianita

(36,082 posts)
106. Thank you, too! I'm really sorry to hear about Jackson. Samuel L. Jackson truly did get shafted.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 05:38 AM
Jan 2013

Yes! Jackson IS lost in Stephen. His character is exactly the house slave that needs to disturb whites. Jackson shows the well adapted Stephen fueled by anger. His hatred of Django's public equal treatment is surpassed only by the amazing agency he shows in Calvin's library, swirling his brandy while he tells Calvin what time it is.

Right on about Django and the violence.

Two more points: Anyone who sees the 'blowup' of the directer-in-character knows that Tarantino understands his limited artistic role in addressing slavery.

Foxx, Jackson and DiCaprio would never submit to flawed character interpretations of blacks or whites of Southern slave culture. They don't need the money.

Cha

(297,317 posts)
62. He's protesting too much.. It's a fair question. "puppet" "slave" "monkey"?
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jan 2013

sounds like he has conflicting issues on whether violence in reels has any connection to real life violence.

I don't know since I'm not succeptible to it..but, I have no idea about those who commit murder and massacres. But it's a valid question with all the rampant gun violence.. especiallly the freaking Newtown monster.

Note to reporters.. don't ask QT any questions about violence in his movies relating to the actual violence in our country.

GObamaGO

(665 posts)
68. He directs some of the most violent films out there.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 07:57 PM
Jan 2013

Not surprised that he refused to answer the question.

 

2on2u

(1,843 posts)
76. A monkey sells what he knows is popular, a monkey puts out there what he knows will bring
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jan 2013

back a return, a monkey goes with the flow and so does Quentin.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
78. Did he start to hold his breath until the interviewer
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:32 PM
Jan 2013

stopped asking? Or did he lie on the ground and start pounding his fists and feet on the floor?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
79. The man is an artist. He's so forthcoming about his craft and his process. I think
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:33 PM
Jan 2013

anyone trying to draw a link between his work and the recent spate of killings... well it was a pretty obnoxious question when looked at in that light.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
87. Read this interview with Kerry Washington before you pass any knee-jerk judgement...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jan 2013

...on Tarantino, his response to this interviewer, or his movie.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-kerry-washington-django-unchained-20130101,0,7246461.story

Here's a portion of it:

A Phi Beta Kappa graduate of George Washington University, Washington studied anthropology, sociology and psychology. Though she believed taking on the role of a slave would be both an emotional and psychological challenge, she deemed it worthy both as a piece of art and as an empowerment tale for African Americans. In the film, she plays the wife of Django (Jamie Foxx), a slave who unexpectedly wins his freedom and returns to Mississippi on a mission of rescue and revenge.

"We've had a tradition of romanticizing slavery in film, and I thought this was a phenomenal opportunity to go into a creative exploration of this violent, awful, evil, sinful time period with a director who is not intimidated by violence and gore and exploring the evil side of the human spirit," said Washington, 35.[/blackquote]

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
90. Actually, what's upsetting most of the right-wing media is that this movie is about a black man...
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jan 2013

...who uses guns to defend himself and other back people against whites--and is completely justified in doing so. And as we know from Travon Martin, blacks aren't suppose to do that. Yet this movie says they should.

I suspect that is why this interviewer tried to make Tarantino ashamed of the violence in it.

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
93. I thought I was the only one who didn't like his work.
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jan 2013

Haven't seen one of his films that I didn't think "There go two hours of my life, etc."

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
95. I don't like a lot of Tarantino's movies but he's a talented guy and smart as a whip
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 03:40 AM
Jan 2013

and he clearly doesn't suffer fools gladly. Guns and the people behind them cause violence. The rest is just distraction. If a kid is too stupid to understand the difference between a movie and real life, he or she should be kept far away from guns.

pansypoo53219

(20,981 posts)
105. terry gross basically asked the same, but better.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:34 AM
Jan 2013

i agree some of his movies the violence is over the top, but ay least he tells a better story. or it is this weird movie history thing he mashes in his head. and when he said he doesn't want any animals to be hurt, even mentally, OK, have your gun play.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
110. He is the rightwing dream using every single NRA soundbyte and making millions.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:56 AM
Jan 2013

now, if you say he is satire, I say bullshit.

one, the rightwing doesn't know satire if it bit them in the face.
all they see is the NRA talking points (like in Inglorious Basterds, especially there, that if
the Jews had guns, blah blah blah(and I am Jewish)Whitewashing history and the Holocaust just to make himself millions.

Tarentino steals from so many sources, but the important thing is

He is NO David Lynch.

so he inflicts NO redemption at the end, like Lynch does in all his movies,
and just goes for the guns, the gore, and the last man standing routine

about the only thing good he ever did was introduce America to the German Superstar Christoph Waltz

and Tarentino above, comparing HIMSELF to Slaves? What bullcrap.

Glad he did not get an Oscar nomination for directing.

Now why is it David Lynch can't get funded for new movies?
Oh, because he doesn't resort to the commercialism crap Tarentino does.


I back Spike Lee on this movie.

Tarentino is more a fake, than all the plastic surgery Hollywood stars get put together.

BTW, the day Tarentino can make a Straight Story like David Lynch did, nah, will never happen
Tarentino would have that lawnmower run people over and show blood, blood, blood

sendero

(28,552 posts)
112. I would never presume..
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:11 AM
Jan 2013

... to tell anyone other than perhaps a close friend or relative to "smile".

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
114. Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs are the only two of his that are serious
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jan 2013

cinema, IMOHO. The rest are cartoons, and highly unrelatable. Especially Kill Bill. Wee-Ohh!! Wee-Ohh!! blaring loudly while zooming the camera in and out is dumb.

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