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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I the only one disgusted (now) that the Administration is contemplating using DRONES on their
people?
Am I the only one disgusted (now) that the Administration's policy on pot is contradictory to everything in the 2008 campaign and against states rights?
Am I the only one disgusted (now) that we will undergo another session of Congress where NOTHING gets done and we are held hostage by treasonous bastards who won't accept the fact they lost the election AGAIN?
Am I the only one disgusted (now) that NONE of the people who caused the great financial collapse of 2008 went to jail, not one?
Am I the only one disgusted (now) that there is more to come and in spite of our best efforts to believe, something is amiss here, and woe be us as the future unfolds.
Who is in charge?????????????? Oh shit oh shit oh shit.
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wake.up.america
(3,334 posts)
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I've noticed many actions that have been chipping away at our rights. They start with something like getting the contents of your luggage checked at the airport and going though a metal detector and end up with porno scanners, stockinged feet and cavity checks.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)And I'm sure we'll see hundreds of such posts.
msongs
(67,413 posts)
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)"...we are held hostage by treasonous bastards who won't accept the fact they lost the election AGAIN?"
Who you talkin' about here?
But seriously, this administration has a whole bunch of policies I disagree with, but what administration doesn't? Some of it I chalk up to not being able to do the right thing with the obstructionists out there, others I just disagree with the administration. But, consider the alternative.
Republican obstruction? Of course, now that that party has purged itself of it's rational members. Remember that this is the result of the primary process that weeds out moderation. Personally, I just hope they get some sense before the whole mess collapses.
Bankers in jail? Nice thought, but it's easy for us to complain while TPTB have to find a law they broke and build a case with the biggest law firms in the land on the defense. BTW, some of the more outrageous ones have been jailed.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Why does it matter to you? Who cares how many times anyone posts about any subject? Apparently you don't like that we are posting about the subject. Otherwise you wouldn't comment.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)to quote a noble poster I read on DU-
"Why does it matter to you? Who cares how many times anyone posts about any subject? Apparently you don't like that we are posting about the subject. Otherwise you wouldn't comment."
as you know full well, circular arguments, go around in circles.
otherwise they wouldn't be circular arugments would they?
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)goodbye
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)
Skittles
(153,169 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Joe Lieberman would have to go many blocks to come up as left as Ron is.
Ron is saying it is legal, and is needed.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)but that doesn't make me one
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Round up the Usual Suspects
Marr
(20,317 posts)So long as it comes from a Democrat.
Actually-- that's no true. So long as it comes from a right-of-center Democrat.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that we have a democratic president, dontcha see?
Oldenuff
(582 posts)a President that lectured on Constitutional law.
Where are all the "I am sooo proud of our President...and "I just love my President"..and etc etc..?C'mon folks...something is terribly amiss here.
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav
(408 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Especially here:
"Am I the only one disgusted (now) that NONE of the people who caused the great financial collapse of 2008 went to jail, not one?"
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)FBI... infiltrates ows as a terrorist organization. Kicked out Iceland. Arrests no bankers. The man in charge appointed by Bush
US attorney's office: filled with Bush cronies
ATF.... what a joke
DEA... what a joke
Anti Trust division... joke
ATF.....joke
and the list goes on
I said back when if Kerry got elected it would take years to clean up that department.
yeah, I'm disgusted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice
adieu
(1,009 posts)I'm hoping, praying that the Obama Administration is playing chicken with this to force Congress to write some sweeping to prevent his and all future administrations from ever doing this.
For the GOP and the Democrats to join forces for such a piece of legislation, he will have to play the bad cop and actually do some domestic targeting. Fortunately for him, he's got a whole slew of GOP key personnel who he can target to make this wholly unpalatable for everyone.
The precedent was set by Bush, but he didn't actually pull the trigger on anyone of note (I'm guessing). I doubt the GOP would want to shut it down in case their candidate ever return to the office of the president. So Obama has to demonstrate the power of a fully operational drone strike on domestic targets for people to see the light.
KakistocracyHater
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dtom67
(634 posts)Not disgusted. I have lost faith in this Democracy. I have even begun to question if we ever had one. It seems clear to me that we are marching closer and closer to a police state, as if the government expects some sort of peasant uprising.
I have even bgan to wonder if posting my opinion here is agood idea; is my IP being recorded in some data base?
How about we just give free money to whoever makes these drones; we don't actually need them flying around my house...
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and to answer your last question, the answer, of course, is $$$$. Who SHOULD be in charge? Us. But for that to happen we have to do something different than what we've been doing because what we've been doing has rendered us toothless.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)And if the leaders of both parties agree killing Americans everywhere and without a trial is a necessary and good thing, who are we to argue. Decaying documents like the constitution and bill of rights only serve as a weakness our enemies can use to attack our FREEDOM!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)US Constitution, Article VI
The states don't have the right to say that federal law isn't applicable; if they did there'd still be segregation in the South. Yes, the war on drugs is stupid and futile, but insistence on states' rights and nullification of existing federal law in this instance? Sets a bad precedent and opens the door for a lot of unintended consequences.
Extrajudicial killings of "terrorist targets"? Not a fan, but neither am I so naive as to presume that the US government is going to NOT use the technology at its disposal to deal with perceived threats both real and imaginary; look at the CIA's history of assassinations and participation in coups, is it really that much of a stretch? And I am not entirely convinced of the logic that it's okay as long as it's other people; using drones on Pakistani and Afghan Al-Qaeda members is apparently okay, but it's somehow a Bad Thing if any of those Al Qaeda members has American citizenship? The larger issue is probably the use of targeted extrajudicial killings and strikes on non-military targets, which is contrary to the laws of war (not that it matters since the targets are non-state actors and not afforded the protections of the Geneva Conventions, and the USA has decided that the International Criminal Court doesn't apply to it anyway).
The problems of Congress are the result of three things: a) the Republicans; b) the requirement of supermajorities to get anything done (and especially to limit debate and block filibusters in the Senate, which in any case has too much power and is undemocratic in its representation); c) the lack of party discipline on the part of the Democrats (which is nothing new).
Oil prices caused the financial collapse of 2008. Not bankers. Sure, derivatives and subprime mortgages contributed, so did deregulation of the financial markets, but what really did it? Conventional oil production peaked around 2005. It's been on a plateau since then. Demand has increased steadily, driven by the expansion of the economies of China and India. Around 2006, 2007 (and probably even now)? The world's oil producers were pumping flat out with no spare capacity overhead. The price inevitably went up, and up, and hit $140 a barrel. People in the USA are the most car-dependent on the planet. What happens when gasoline goes to four bucks a gallon? Who gets affected most? The working poor...the same people who took out those subprime loans. Who now had to choose between being able to get to work, and being able to eat, or paying the mortgage. And, well, we saw what happened; defaults on a massive scale, the collapse of Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual, billions or trillions of dollars in value wiped off the books of financial institutions in the US and Europe, and an ungodly mess thanks to "packaging" of bonds involving risky assets and good ones so that it all had to be untangled and sorted out...but those investment banks and mortgage lenders and so on? They weren't doing anything illegal, so calling for them to go to prison, while perhaps understandable outrage, is also absurd and isn't going to happen.
EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)None that we should claim.
Anwar al-Alawki had it coming... and that drone pilot should get a medal.
KakistocracyHater
(1,843 posts)minor who was innocent, guilty merely of being related. Who wants to be deemed guilty because of blood relations?
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Some days, this place.... Makes me.. Rather glum when it comes to our imperial disease...
KakistocracyHater
(1,843 posts)etc.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)2on2u
(1,843 posts)
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)What pisses me off, perhaps, most of all is having no other feasible option. Having to choose the lesser evil because the greater evil scares the ever-living SHIT out of me. And in the end, it may all be in vain anyhow.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Cheerleading for anything with a D next to it's name is the new norm around here.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)You and you alone are disgusted at this issue. All the rest of us are ostriches with our heads stuck in the sand, while only DainBramaged has the wisdom and the perception to see these problems.
Thank goodness you chose to share you wisdom with us numbskulls.
Bryant
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Did pot even come up in the campaign? What was Obama's platform? I remember "enforce Federal laws".
that NONE of the people who caused the great financial collapse of 2008 went to jail, not one?
Gupta?
