I have an idea on how to close all the gun loop holes quite easily.

[Bandit]

Make everyone that owns or wants to own a firearm get a Federal firearm license. To get the license you must go through a serious background check, but once you have that license in your possession you can buy a firearm from ANY source. It must be a law though that anyone selling a firearm has to ask and be shown a Federal firearms license and make it a felony if that is not done. Also make the licenses be renewed every five or ten years whatever seems best...No individual or business would ever need to see anything about your background as long as you possess that license...No background checks required since the government already did that. I suppose if people feel the necessity they could add a liability clause. Something along the lines of either obtaining liability insurance or show proof you are a person of substance.. I don't think it is necessary but many people do...It is something we could discuss anyway.. What would be wrong with something along these lines?

[Hoyt]

1. Good idea. But, I think much more needs to be done about

The types of guns and accessories allowed, how many one can acquire, safe storage, public carrying, etc.

But your idea seems a good alternative to current background checks.

[Robb]

3. Wow, think that up all by yourself?

1998 called; they want their NRA talking point back.

[derby378]

4. The Second Amendment doesn't mention anything about a permit

It specifically mentions "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms..." And if you need a permit for something, it's not a right, but a privilege.

I have no right to drive a car, but my license says I have permission to drive it.

I have no right to hunt, but if I obtain a hunting license, it gives me limits on what, where, and when I can hunt.

I have no right to carry a handgun in public. For that, I need to obtain yet another permit.

But merely owning a firearm? That's something totally different.

[rgbecker]

6. I suppose you don't need a birth certificate either...

because life is a right not a privilege, right?

Or a marriage license, or a death certificate, or a social security card, passport?

Or is it a privilege to get married or to die or to work or to travel and not a right?

Just wondering.

[derby378]

12. You need to realign how you approach this...

You're typing yourself up with permits, certificates, and red tape. Eventually it'll strangle you if you're not careful.

[msongs]

7. "well regulated", or has that been edited out these days? nt

[derby378]

11. Oh, give it up...

The number of people who pretend that I can't read the Second Amendment is staggering. Please don't be one of them.

I'm already well-regulated enough as it is, thank you very much. You want to improve the background check system, I'm fine with that, as it affects the backend of the operation and doesn't infringe on my rights. But that may be as far as I go.

[maxsolomon]

17. Nancy Lanza wasn't well-regulated. Neither was James Holmes.

Perhaps you're not the problem. However, your RKBA is already infringed when it comes to military armaments, is it not?

I'm glad you've given up!

[derby378]

19. I *own* military armaments...

...so what exactly have I given up, pray tell me?

[maxsolomon]

37. I misread your previous post

You told others to give it up.

Access to fully automatic weapons, for instance, is INFRINGED, meaning limited. The government can & does limit who has access to military armaments - RPGs and the like, i assume.

[Duckhunter935]

5. Only problem

The USSC has determined that owning a firearm is a right not a privilege. . I do not know how that might jive with your plan.

[el_bryanto]

9. Rights can be abridged

In the interest of the peace. The right to free speech doesn't give you the right to say whatever you want whereever you want.

Bryant

[Robb]

10. And, the Ninth Amendment.

Someone's right to a gun can't "deny or disparage" my right to domestic tranquility.

[Coyote_Tan]

20. Lots of people do lots of things that disturb my tranquility..,

So what? Shouldn't make it illegal.

The fact that you are scared doesn't affect me.

[Robb]

22. Not "illegal"; unconstitutional.

And me, I'm quaking in my desert tan boots.

You should check out the Constitution between paintball sessions there, tiger. Plenty more where the 2nd Amendment came from.

[Coyote_Tan]

23. *checks my own desert tan boots*

I'm good... But thanks for your concern.

I say again, the fact that you are scared of a legal inanimate object , ownership of which is guaranteed in the Constitution, does not make it illegal or unconstitutional.

[maxsolomon]

18. Jibe. It's a sailing term.

Not "Jive".

Normally, I'd let it slide, but you're defending the Status Quo. So you get the full Grammar Nazi.

[kudzu22]

8. It's not bad

Provided the government could manage something so complicated without screwing it up. I don't view a licensing system as an infringement necessarily, provided that the license is free and always issued if you're not otherwise disqualified. Voting is a right but we still make people register to do it.

I wouldn't go for a liability clause. Plenty of discussion of that on other threads.

It'd be basically a Federal "We trust you" card. I don't think we'd need any further restrictions on type of firearms that can be owned. If I don't trust you with an AR-15, I don't trust you with a revolver, either.

[Recursion]

13. This is a much better idea than divvying up guns into "good" and "bad" classes

I'm sure there are a bunch of problems, that can be dealt with one at a time, but I really think this is the way to go.

[Locrian]

14. I think it's a good idea

The only people I can think of that wouldn't support it are those who get their panties in a wad that it would give the "gov-ment' a list of gun owners. You know, so that when the socialists / communists take power they can go door to door and take them away.

But it seems reasonable to have a license / registration etc like a car. And I KNOW there is no 2nd amendment for a car etc.. yada yada.... so what? Why does that mean you can't implement a simple license mechanism?

[derby378]

15. Because in this country, we have rights...

...and the Democratic Party, historically, has supported the idea of Americans having rights, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or creed. We're just adding one more category onto the list.

Opposition to the background check in the past was coupled with opposition to the waiting period (which is now kaput) as well as concerns that the background check indicated a presumption of guilt. But the NICS check has served the interests of society better than was previously hoped and helped keep guns out of the hands of unqualified buyers. No further "permission" to own a gun is necessary, nor is it desired.

[HereSince1628]

21. Passing one background check and then having no checks would be a terrible mistake.

Background checks aren't perfect predictors of future behavior.

I'm not saying background checks are of no value, but they certainly shouldn't be assumed to provide anything like perfect predictive value.

[HereSince1628]

26. Forget gun owning, I wouldn't want my red state sen. to know I've sung at the WI Capitol.

The head of the state police is none other than the patriarch of the teahadists in charge.

The r's already send Capitol police out into the counties seeking nonconforming melodious maladroits.

Drones would be way to attractive a temptation for them.

[libertyandjustice24]

28. If they could put computer chips in guns that only allow them to work in designated areas via gps

that would be awesome, of course it would probably be expensive and then people might hack it anyway.

[farminator3000]

30. check out TriggerSmart!

http://www.triggersmart.com/Pages/TriggerSmart.aspx

now that's an Irish accent! (videos)

if it costs a little more, the gun makers will make more $$$!

what are we waiting for?

i'll tell ya- the NRA to GO AWAY!

edit
: they're RIFD, not GPS. but GPS would be good, too. esp. for stolen guns, if they could be made to not fire w/o the gps part.

i'm not a gun maker, but, doesn't sound too complicated, we all have smart PHONES!!!

[libertyandjustice24]

31. that is prett bad ass thanks for the link. That would be great. Gun control and a new market

satisfying capitalism. Both sides win.

[farminator3000]

33. YES! ^^^

Gun control and a new market

satisfying capitalism. Both sides win.

good to see a new guy making sense!

[farminator3000]

29. One Quick Answer to Sandy Hook? Repeal the 2005 Arms Act

But it's nevertheless a law which declares that gun transactions are somehow so necessary that the people who carry them out warrant special protection under law. This is patently absurd.

The Arms Act

The Arms Act was passed in 2005, in the depths of the Bush era, and today it remains one of the most jarring parts of a relentless conservative campaign to impose "tort reform" upon America.

-skip-

Kim v. Coxe

An illustrative case involving the Arms Act is unfolding now in Alaska. Nearly 10 months ago, the Supreme Court of Alaska heard oral argument in a case styled Kim v. Coxe, a lawsuit based upon a tragedy involving an act of gun violence. The case is still pending -- the state justices have yet to render a ruling -- but it's precisely the sort of scenario we ought to be talking about in the wake of this year's mass shootings. I wrote about this case back in March. Here, from my earlier piece, is a summary of the facts:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/12/one-quick-answer-to-sandy-hook-repeal-the-2005-arms-act/266371/

[goclark]

32. I totally agree with you ~ We have to pass a test to drive a car

We have to put in stupid passwords for everything on the web.
Password must have a Capital, then a # etc. so they can be sure that we are who we have said we are. It gets more complicated by the minute.

We have to show our Medicare Insurance Card to the Doctors Office or we will not get seen.

We have to take test after test to graduate.

At the Ready Teller, we must enter a code in order to get our money.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

It is a NEW DAY - America has become the "Wild, Wild West"- all morning I have heard on every station -- people did crazy stuff with their gun.

In Los Angeles, a damn LAPD officer has gone bat shit crazy with his pistol and killed another officer. Channel 7 just reported " He is armed and dangerous."

[pediatricmedic]

34. Technically, already been done in many states

Possessing a CHL or concealed carry permit means you don't have to do a background check at time of purchase. Most are on 2 or 4 year renewals as well. They also let you know what your potential liability is in many situations.

All that I know of require you be photographed, fingerprints taken, background checked, and attend some sort of training/certification.

[badtoworse]

35. Throw in a non-discretionary federal CCW permit, valid in all 50 states, and I might go for it

[OGKush]

36. Just what the government needs. Another list of people

For drones to check out. N/t