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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCarnival Cruise: Carpets soaked in urine, sewage running down walls and onion sandwiches
Yikes pity those 4200 stranded passengers who have to wait to Thursday to reach land. What a nightmare. Bags being used as toilets. Hopefully those bags are plastic and not paper. "On USA Today, Gary Keyes of Baton Rouge, La, wrote: 'My wife (is) on this cruise and has said the conditions were horrible. No power, no water, having to use the bathroom in bags'."
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'People are fighting over food and stuff - that's a bunch of savages. It's ridiculous. Carnival has nothing at all in plan in case something like this happens.'
Asked if his wife had been given any help, Mr Nutt said: 'The only help they've got is that they told them they needed to stay on the decks or in common areas.'
Writing on Cruise Critic, a blogger named Clinty76 whose wife and mother-in-law are on the ship, painted a similar picture.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277323/Carnival-Triumph-Disabled-vessel-wont-reach-land-Thursday.html#ixzz2Kj5Tw5vG
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)on another cruise ship?
Or am I thinking of something else?
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)The last few I heard of were also their ships.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Thanks.
joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)Quality companies understand that they need to prepare for and respond to adversity. Every company has problems, and to not allocate resources to provide food and essentials for these passengers is unforgivable. Whatever it takes.
Did they think this could never happen? What was their plan? Or, better yet, why didn't they have one?
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)I wouild have thought that they would at least have back up latrines and water supplies should plumbing fail. Nowr do I understand why helicopters or tugs couldn\t deliver supplies to the ship.
joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)They could also stock non-perishable emergency food for several days for the ship, but they don't want to spare the space on the ship that they could bill out for. They could send a ship with food and essentials, but they won't.
And mark my words, they will offer these seriously traumatized passengers NOTHING for the problems they are causing by their voluntary ineptitude.
A free cruise will be the most they will offer and you'll probably need a lawyer to get it.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I've never understood the courts supporting class action suits that give a payout that's only payable back to the company at fault.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Ship in flames? Crew gone Cannibal? Ship's Captain can be seen in a dingy on the horizon?
Just gimme an ONION SANDWICH!
Yum....!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The main character in the book ate butter and onion sandwiches, and they actually did not sound bad at all...
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Onion sandwich eating experience.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...any thought to what might happen in instances like this--i.e thousands of people trapped with limited resources. Crazy!
JI7
(89,264 posts)and expensive hotel which offered similar experience as far as food, entertainment etc goes ?
because if the point is to enjoy the ocean i would think a smaller boat where you spend more time just standing out would be preferable .
i always found these things wayyy too expensive and pointless. only way i might like it is if it was going to take long stops at different places and you can go on land to visit .
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)--that is, presumably, the appeal of a cruise line. Each day or few days it takes you to different place where you get off, explore, get back on. So you get to see different Caribbean Islands, or different parts of Alaska, without having to book transportation or hotel--you have both in one.
However, it is true that modern cruise ships are ginormous, Disneyland-style cities, with so many entertainment elements that the whole point of the cruise--getting off an exploring--isn't quite the point any more. Those that go on the ship for the entertainment it offers rather than to see places and explore them make your point quite apply: they might as well be staying at an equally entertaining hotel.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)The "smaller" ones get around more, both because they actually can - good luck getting the Freedom of the Seas to enter more than a handful of ports without grounding itself - and because they're cheaper to operate, so you don't have to cram all sorts of spend-all-the-dollars amenities onto the ship itself before a cruise begins paying for itself. Some of the biggest ones just go out to sea, hang around for awhile, and go back home.
Carnival Triumph is one of those post-Panamax monstrosities - she's larger than US Navy carriers - so a trip there would be quite hide-on-the-ship oriented. A friend of mine just finished a cruise on the Carnival Triumph last month; she's 30,000 tonnes smaller and there was a lot more bouncing from port to port there.
Separation
(1,975 posts)We hit all the normal ports, Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Nassau, Jaimaca. The ports that were to small it just anchored off shore and had ferries going every 15 minutes back and forth.
Won a satellite poker tournament to it ended up placing 35th out of 500. Was a total blast.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)and another cruise free of charge. But I gather some will sue anyway for more money.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...run about $2000-$5000 dollars depending on length, amenities, what kind of room (etc) one books and the like. Obviously, those who pay the higher prices get treated like royalty--until something like this happens. When will they ever learn?
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)poor seamanship, I don't know why anyone would step foot on one of these things. You'd have a better time as an impressed tar on an 18th century navy ship.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)You only hear about the ones that make the news in dramatic ways. My brother worked with one line for several years, and I currently work in a museum next door to a cruise ship terminal that sees quite a lot of traffic in the warmer months. It'll see sixty to a hundred ships a year and it's maybe every three or four years that there's been something that stands out aside from standard tourist fiascos. (The staff who've been around longer reach about five years back before they can find a cruise ship story that'll properly harrow the new people.)
They're not my cup of tea, but the vast, overwhelming majority of people who travel on them will get safe, comfortably generic, and rather overpriced experiences. Given the choice I'd pay a third as much to go someplace similarly nice and avoid the canned resort experience, even if there'd be a bit more of a dice roll involved then.
That said, Carnival in particular has been making an art form out of ball-droppery in the last several years.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)And I completely agree that even without the chance that you'll get the "value added" fun of a shipboard crisis, the experience just seems odd. Like you, cruises aren't my cuppa.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I'm in the midst of working on part of a multi-year research project with the museum I'm at that has a section on the history of various shipping lines. (Lots of neat little details coming out of that, like learning how to ID a ship's owner from the paint job of the funnel alone, something that you'd otherwise just take for granted.) Most of the ones you list have been around for generations, even going back into the 1800s, when their emphasis was more focused on mail and one-way passenger trips between Europe and the Americas.
I get that things change, especially with air travel undercutting the passenger liner industry in the sixties, but it still sucks to see former titans like Cunard or P&O get Wal-Marted together in a limited fashion under an umbrella company that isn't managing most of them terribly well.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)That was great! Travel up the river looking at the scenery during the day, some days stop for a tour, tie up late pm and spend the evening in a city, sleep overnight on the ship, start off again at sunup.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I'm at one of the stops on the Atlantic coast cruise itineraries and admit to feeling a dose of "..here? Here? Why?" compared to some possible routes.
This is also my first year working next door to the cruise ship terminal. I'm half excited and half terrified of tourist season...
renate
(13,776 posts)We went on a Rhine cruise with Viking and it was really wonderful. Plus Viking supports Masterpiece Theatre!
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)We took a 10-day cruise on a Princess ship on her second season out. Absolutely fantastic experience, but the cruise package was expensive compared to the carnival packages. My wife and daughter later took a Carnival cruise to Ensenada, and she said it was a very underwhelming experience.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Libertarians will sign up in droves and even pay extra to get the chance to steal bread off of old ladies' plates!
Great marketing concept!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]This is just stupid and there's no excuse for it. Carnival can't hire planes/helicopters to air drop food and supplies, even evacuate passengers? WTF?!?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)..the USS Henrico.
Little pleasure cruise in the far Pacific.
The urine, the puke, the food....
It was an APA.... a troopship!
Initech
(100,102 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Thanks I needed that.