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(154,021 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)No cable here. No broadband either.
Please update this thread.
Thank you much.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Coroner working to confirm.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Asking on scanner traffic, tear gas that is pyrotechnic as referred as burners.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Wonder if any DUers can personally confirm that 'burner' actually means tear gas.
IcyPeas
(21,892 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)No forced entry
HipChick
(25,485 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You keep an eye on already well trodden terrain
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)and said that all the cabins were vacant.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)IcyPeas
(21,892 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And "speculative."
It will add to the CT fire.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Just kidding. But ID may take some time. I don't envy the coroner. Better call "Bones".
HipChick
(25,485 posts)refused to answer any questions and left...
this is all very,very strange...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But they know the scanner traffic is out there...questions were asked...and whether they are right or not, it just looks bad. They started to get nervous when the "burner" questions came up.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)a lot of smouldering fires to put out. Thanks for the info
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Not related, but reminds me of a hazmat incident. I asked the assistant chief what chemical was involved? (They had the chemistry lab on wheels otherwise known as a hazmat truck on the scene, with another hazmat unit)
I don't know.
I pressed the chief, I used to do firefighting like for real. They knew, the trucks can identify commonly encountered chemicals fairly fast, and medic crews need that info to treat patients.
Well two hours later we got what it was. Malathion. They hate it when the reporter has half a clue.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)on an open wound...stings like hell. You have such an interesting history
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)for those who were listening to the scanner is the number of times the dispatcher said the fire department was asking if they should move in and were held back by the sheriff's dept.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I heard that...even posted a PSA on why having lots of ammo at home and a fire will lead to stand back orders. The problem here is evidence.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)I remember that now.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)if there is enough evidence that they tried to hard to burn the place and not hard enough to get him out without burning it.
IcyPeas
(21,892 posts)considering all of the questions that are out there. He called it "unusual".
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But Te other thing I have noticed is LAPD (current or in this case former) trying to drive the pr campaign. Which is even more odd. Like, looked here, nothing to see here.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)legitimate accusations against LAPD.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And now two other former officers.
theglammistress
(348 posts)The press is on to the crap cop job on this one. The burner scanner traffic is out everywhere now and the cops look foolish denying they started that fire. And of course the cops wouldn't answer the question "Was Dorner given the chance to surrender?" That's when the press conference was shut down.
I don't support Dorner. He was (is?) a crazed murderer, but I don't doubt corruption by the LAPD. And last night, officials coming out saying they had the body of Dorner, then 'Oh no! There's no body yet!' - completely ridiculous. Anyone who's ever covered a fatal fire knows it was WAY too early to positively say there was a body inside, but the cops were adamant early, panicked and retracted.
Don't even get me started on the cops shooting anyone and everything that moved as part of their "investigation."
Just plain fishy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The too early was LAPD. There is this one upmanship going on as well.
longship
(40,416 posts)The occurrences near Big Bear had nothing to do with LAPD.
What happened yesterday was San Bernardino county Sheriffs and helpers, no doubt under operational orders by the county.
LA is miles from Big Bear. No LAPD there last night.
theglammistress
(348 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Waiting to deploy on orders of Riverside Sheriffs. That little tidbit angered LAPD. They sent them to Riverside, but...it was not their jurisdiction.
That was reported by the LA times.
longship
(40,416 posts)I lived in Ontario for ten years, so I know that area of San Bernardino county a bit. Visited Big Bear, Lake Arrowhead, San Berdoo, and environs many times. The mountains are lovely.
The one thing I miss about SoCal... That, and some great Mexican food. Here in rural MI all we have is Taco Smell... Er, Bell.
Nevertheless, I stand corrected. Keep me honest, Nadine.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will be visiting Julian a few times during fire season. So, cooling our heels in the cold winter air (we are wimps, only 40) while drinking coffee and watching the word go bye.
We found a group of Irvine motor cops (25 of them) there...for a training ride.
Shall we say we went to the scanner...
tblue
(16,350 posts)Best Mexican food anywhere. This whole story is so sad.
longship
(40,416 posts)SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Anybody who questions their facts of the case, are conspiracy nuts. Everybody is just jumping to conclusions. Anybody knows that "burners" refers to non-flammable tear gas. Accusing the good-guy cops of any malicious actions, is patently unfair and unjustified.
Cops are like lawyers. They're often paid to LIE, and make sure that the facts they put in their reports, are the facts which everyone accepts as such. We all know that cops are above reproach, and even suggesting otherwise, makes you a conspiracy weirdo.
No more questions please.
longship
(40,416 posts)Not that you said that.
But maybe you ought to consider...
That when a bad guy shoots at a cop, that the cop(s) are very likely going to shoot back.
When police officers are shot at, and some are shot by a guy, the police will definitely take an action they wouldn't normally take. The guy lying there bleeding/dying may well be a respected friend. Other innocent people in the area could be in extreme peril if the guy gets loose.
Then, there's his manifesto. Whatever you make of it, it outlines his intent to kill people with no regards than to inflict guilt on innocents to get at the putative guilty. In no world do I call that justice.
That Dorner was a cop. He knows how police react to these things. Yet, he did what he did anyway.
Knowing that. I would authorize deadly force in a second. In fact, every police officer is probably authorized to use deadly force in such a situation.
Now, the fire? I hope it was accidental, but I am not sure. However, at that time the SB sheriffs had every right to shoot to kill.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But many of us are raising questions. And two other ex officers confirming what Doner claimed (not shocking if you know any of LAPD) should make people ask the other relevant question...what the hell is going on inside the Los Angeles Police Dept?
longship
(40,416 posts)But some people are questioning the ethics of LE killing Dorner up near Big Bear. I am arguing that he, of all people, should have known the consequences of shooting cops. His manifesto alone would have LE on edge and justifiably alarmed.
Some people apparently thought they should have just handcuffed him and brought him in for trial. I have been merely pointing out that every cop on this case knew that was probably not in the cards.
I've said it all along here. This is a clusterfuck.
If the LAPD gets looked at because of this, that's good. But regardless, nobody wins when these things happen. Nobody.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I think there was a very dangerous, never before used option in the US, would have qualified as an attempt...anesthesia gas. (Which I might add, is also highly flammable)
tblue
(16,350 posts)I don't doubt they wanted him gone and finished.
Well, they got their wish. Maybe it was his too.
theglammistress
(348 posts)I still think the investigation is fishy as I noted up-thread, but I believe the cops were correct in using deadly force. Dorner was a threat to civilians in addition to armed police.