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When Frank Lecerf drove off to do his weekly supermarket shop in northern France, he was not expecting to embark on a high-speed car chase that would force him over the Belgian border and on to the national news bulletins.
Lecerf has filed a legal complaint after his Renault Laguna, which is adapted for disabled drivers, jammed at 200km/h (125mph) and the brakes failed, forcing him to continue careering along a vast stretch of French motorway and into Belgium. Police gave chase until he ran out of petrol and crashed into a ditch.
The 36 year old was on a dual carriageway on his way to a hypermarket when the car's speed first jammed at 60mph. Each time he tried to brake, the car accelerated, eventually reaching 125mph and sticking there.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/13/french-driver-200kmh-car-chase?CMP=SOCNETTXT6966
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Lucky guy.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)He was on his way to a hypermarket.
Next time, go to the Stop N Go.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But I'm really sorry for the man trapped in the car. He must have been terrified -- along with everyone in the cars he passed.
But it speaks well for the French that he did not end his trip in a crash.
How could this have happened?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)pull up the gas pedal, use the hand brake, put the car in neutral going up hill, turn off the motor?!?! why?
shraby
(21,946 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)But seriously - no neutral - like he never went up hill?
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)That's not how steering wheel locks are designed.
It will possibly get stiffer if it is power steering, but the column won't lock up until you remove the key.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Really, I've never been able to fathom why some drivers don't have sufficient training or common technical sense to know to turn off the ignition switch if the throttle jams open. Then, there's the clutch pedal or neutral gear - but that might be too much for some to grasp.
It's happened to me several times, but only in cars, motorcycles, and go-carts I built myself.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)not a regular car.
pull up the gas pedal?
malaise
(269,057 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)sometimes I read too fast and it all does not sink in.
I still have to wonder about neutral and up hill. I had an engine problem with my car and did that - not stuck running, but scary sound that made me want to get the engine off asap.
pediatricmedic
(397 posts)Most cars you can put into neutral and turn off the motor. I am guessing the controls were configured in such a way that he could not do this?
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)accelerates too much. hope I remember this if it ever happens.
I actually thought neutral was only for manual cars. Never even noticed American cars have neutral.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)Seriously?
Wow.
The American Driver Education system at its finest.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)I lived in anther country for 20 years where I drove a stock shift.
here you just put the car in drive or reverse.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)Quite the contrary.
If anyone deserves to be called stupid it is the people who were charged with teaching you how to drive and about cars.
I blame THEM, not you.
As I said, The American Driver Education system at its finest.
If you were taught how to drive in a country other than the USA, then I blame THOSE instructors for your ignorance.
And saying you are ignorant is also NOT calling you stupid. It simply means you don't know. It doesn't mean you are incapable of learning.
And just so you are aware, your automatic transmission car actually has two neutral positions;
Park and Neutral. The only difference between them is Park engages a "Pawl" inside the transmission to lock everything in place so that it can not be turned by the drive wheels.
One more thing;
Next time you get in your car, look at the shifter or the transmission position indicators on your dash. You will see the following letters:
P
R
N
D
2
1
Or something very similar.
Park, Reverse, NEUTRAL, Drive, Second, First.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I quickly jammed her car into neutral and told her to brake.
I just reacted, had no idea what I was doing, just on instinct and I wasn't even driving then.
pediatricmedic
(397 posts)Good job with your aunt btw.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)could it not be turned off? But yeah, he might really lose control. But, no matter how it was adapted, surely he could have put it into a lower gear, or did it ONLY have a "Drive" mode, which strikes me as idiotic.
pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Like it wasn't enough hanging on for dear life while your car is running away!
That's why I hate and fear these newfangled computerized cars. He was able to call the police and he had the renault customer support people on his phone and they weren't able to help him either.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)I am always amazed that people don't understand their vehicles. Pop it into neutral!
guardian
(2,282 posts)This happened to me when I was sixteen and driving on a learner's permit. I had floored the accelerator to pass a slow moving truck going up a hill. The throttle stuck. Braking didn't work as the engine overpowered the brakes. I dug my toe under the accelerator pedal to no avail. In just a few seconds I was doing about 95 (old 71 Chevy Impala with v8 4 barrel carb 400 engine). So I turned off the ignition. Yeah I lost power steering and power brakes but slowed down, pulled off to the side of the road. I opened the hood and tugged on the throttle cable and was back to normal.
If a sixteen year old could figure this out you'd think a 36 year old could.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)The article doesn't specify, but it may not have used pedals as usual. There was also a Renault engineer on the phone with him, so I'd hope that if the solution were that simple one of the many people talking to him could have figured that out.
guardian
(2,282 posts)do not have a way to turn off the engine? What to you do when you arrive at your destination?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)my steering column locks. Probably not optimal while weaving through traffic going half his speed.
guardian
(2,282 posts)not all the way off
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)I find it very unlikely that, between them, none of them suggested all the solutions that we've come up with quickly. There are keyless cars, such as this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Laguna
The 'put it into neutral' solution would sound good to me, but it may be there's some computerised locking system that prevented that.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)I bought one last year that only requires a key within a certain proximity to unlock the door and start the engine (there's a regular key as well - these new-fangled gadgets don't always work after they've been through the wash). There are supposedly manual overrides for everything, but I don't think I'd like to try them under emergency conditions for the first time.
I had the brakes go out once in a much older and simpler car, thankfully with a manual shift so I could get some breaking from the engine. Between that and judicious use of the hand break I was able to get it to a mechanic, but it was scary.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)I don't even know if there is a back-up key system - I don't drive it every day. It's my partner's car.
The thing I have noticed, and it bothers me, there is no key holes for a back up key (if it exists) to open the doors.
A wise man once said:
The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Did you ever think he might have tried that, and it didn't work? After all, he did have a Renault tech on the phone with him.
You're assuming modern cars are like older cars, with a direct, physical linkage. That is not the case anymore. Gear shifters aren't connected, physically, to the transmission. They are essentially a switch that is run through the car's computer. If the computer was out of whack enough to be accelerating the car when you touched the brakes, then it is quite likely it was screwed up enough to not be responding to a switch telling it to shift into neutral.
As far as switching the car off, it is one thing to do that at even sixty, you can still muscle it around and you still have a lot of room for error. Steering at high speeds is an entirely different animal, and if you are off by just a wee bit, you're crashing and burning.
The guy did the right thing, get a police escort and just fly like a bat out of hell until the gas runs out.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I honestly had no idea.
My car is a 1993 Toyota 5 speed stickshift.
I have always driven sticks, prefer them greatly.
In the event I have to get another car, do you know what year they stopped direclty connecting gear shifts to the transmission?
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)10 Steps to Safety
The National Safety Council recommends the following steps if your brakes suddenly fail:
1. Downshift immediately
Putting the car in a lower gear allows the engine to slow the car, and may give you enough time to be able to safely pull over. Whether you're driving an automatic or a manual, try to downshift smoothly through the gears. If you downshift too quickly, you risk a skid. Do not shut off the car to stop it, as you'll lose your power steering, and do not put the car in neutral or you will lose the engine braking effect.
2. Try the emergency brake, but don't depend on it to stop you
If you're driving a car with a good, strong emergency brake, go ahead and use it. In cars with manual transmissions, the emergency brake is often operated via a hand-activated lever located behind the shifter, while in many automatics you use a small pedal located on the far left of the driver. It helps to try your emergency brake out at slow speeds to see how much stopping power it really has.
3. Work your vehicle into the right lane as soon as you can
Move toward the right shoulder of the road, or, if possible, toward an exit. If it is necessary to change lanes, do so smoothly and carefully, watching your mirrors and the traffic around you closely.
4. Stay off the gas pedal
Perhaps this goes without saying, but do not touch the gas pedal. Your goal, right now, is to slow down, pull over and safely stop.
5. Check for brake pedal blockage
Believe it or not, debris such as as soda cans or bottles, coffee cups, rolls of paper towels and other items bouncing around in the cockpit can wedge behind your brake pedal, preventing its use. Make sure the pedal's path is clear and if not, kick the obstruction out of the way.
6. Pump your brakes only if you have an older car without anti-lock brakes (ABS)
If your car has standard brakes they may respond to pumping, which could build up enough hydraulic pressure to allow them to work again. But many newer cars with ABS will do the pumping for you, so you should firmly press the brake pedal even if the brakes are not working. The brake failure may be temporary and if they suddenly start working again, your foot will be where it needs to be.
7. Alert others
Turn on your hazards and honk your horn until you're stopped so other motorists will know to give you plenty of room.
8. If you must hit something, aim for something "soft"
This is a judgment call, but a wooden fence is better than a tree, for example -- and anything is preferable to hitting a human being.
9. Stay calm
Knowing the steps outlined in this article and being able to perform them should give you the confidence to respond naturally instead of panicking, in the unlikely event that your brakes do fail.
10. Once you're safely stopped, summon help
Don't be tempted to drive the car again, even if the brakes suddenly start working. Have the car towed to a repair shop or dealer for inspection and repair.
http://autos.aol.com/article/what-to-do-if-your-brakes-fail/
FYI: Engine braking
Engine braking is the engines ability to slow the car when the transmission is in a low gear.
When you take your foot off the accelerator, decreasing the flow of fuel, the engines speed slows. Logically, the vehicle slows along with it, but the amount and rate of deceleration depends on what gear the transmission is in. The lower the gear, the greater the engine braking.
The concept of engine braking is much clearer to people who have driven with manual transmissions. Automatic transmissions tend to stay in their highest possible gears as the engine coasts or is braked to a stop, so the concept may not be familiar to folks who drive automatics. Drivers of automatic transmissions can take advantage of engine braking by shifting from 4 to 3 or lower on the gear selector of a four-speed transmission, or from 5 (or D5) to the next lower position with a five-speed automatic. On some vehicles, you achieve the same by turning off overdrive by means of a button, typically marked O/D, on the floor-mounted shifter or at the end of a steering-column-mounted gear selector lever.
The main reason youd want to employ engine braking is to descend a steep hill. In such a situation, riding the brakes might overheat them and cause them to fade, possibly with disastrous consequences. That said, downshifting by too much for your current speed can be damaging or dangerous as well, so be sure to read your owners manual to find out the maximum speed at which you can run in lower gears or with overdrive turned off.
http://ask.cars.com/2008/06/what-is-engine.html
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)In fact, none of that applies to a stuck throttle situation. Downshifting might not even be possible, and even if it is, all it will do is over-speed the engine or just dramatically increase the RPM's.
Put it in neutral, shut it off and get it over to the side.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Downshifting with a runaway throttle WILL have the advantage of limiting your top speed to something below 40MPH, but shifting to neutral pulls all power from the drive wheels and allows gravity and friction (or your brakes) to stop the car.
Engine braking, as described in your post, ONLY works if there is no power being applied by the engine. That wouldn't have helped this guy in the least.
This guy got lucky. Most people would have died crashing at that speed.