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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:58 AM Feb 2013

Raising the Minimum Wage is good, but a Basic Income would be better.


What is Basic Income? It's a minimum level of income that every citizen deserves, regardless of whether he/she works or not. As it becomes increasingly clear that today's modern hi-tech society does not need all working-age adults to work full time, it's kind of ridiculous to expect all of us to find full-time work at a decent wage. Basic Income has been around as a theoretical concept for over 200 years (Thomas Paine was an advocate), but it is an idea whose time has finally come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
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Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
1. Yes, but....what can we do about the cost of living
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:01 PM
Feb 2013

It will continue to sky rocket, so that our higher wages become just as inadequate as before. Many of my clients complain first about the prices of food, shelter, before they complain about their wages.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
2. I would say that the basic income has to be tied to the cost of living
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:06 PM
Feb 2013

otherwise it is just another theory

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
3. This should be considered our first basic right.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
Feb 2013

To claim this country is great when it allows poverty is disgusting.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
4. I agree. Thomas Paine tied it to everyone's inherent right to own land. Not to buy land - to own it.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:24 PM
Feb 2013

In other words, Paine thought of every citizen as a landlord to some extent, and that those who "legally" owned the land actually owed a kind of rental payment to those who did not.

An excerpt from the Wikipedia page about his pamphlet from 1795 called "Agrarian Justice":

"The work is based on the contention that in the state of nature, "the earth, in its natural uncultivated state... was the common property of the human race"; the concept of private ownership arose as a necessary result of the development of agriculture, since it was impossible to distinguish the possession of improvements to the land from the possession of the land itself. Thus Paine views private property as necessary, but that the basic needs of all humanity must be provided for by those with property, who have originally taken it from the general public. This in some sense is their "payment" to non-property holders for the right to hold private property."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_Justice

ParkieDem

(494 posts)
5. I've always been intrigued by this idea ...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

... and a similar (but not identical) concept such as the negative income tax.

It has support across a wide swath of the ideological spectrum, including far-right wingers and libertarians. Their argument is that if would be more efficient to simply replace all forms of social programs with this idea and avoid the administrative costs that those programs will inherently generate.

I'm not sure how it would play out in the real world, but the idea is definitely worth exploring.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. I here these ideas but the presentation talks only
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:40 PM
Feb 2013

about 1/2 the issue. There is at least one reason this isn't happening and that is because there is no one to pay for it.
Say everyone is guaranteed $50K a year. Where does that money come from if working only earns you $40k?
Someone who is able gas to give up part of their income to make up the other $10k.
Who is that person?.
You can't just print the money because inflation would erode the buying power of the $50K.
Where does the money come from?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
7. Tax the wealth of those who could afford it. It would be their rental payment to the rest of us.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:07 PM
Feb 2013

It wouldn't be anywhere near $50K per person, by the way. It would only be the rent each person is entitled to, based on the total value of land in the country.

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