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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:11 PM Feb 2013

Pedestrians and cyclists don't emit greenhouse gases, it needs to be safer to be one in our cities

some key ideas to reduce the risks to both, as well as give both the opportunity to protect themselves from injury:

1) If pedestrians have a green in a crosswalk, drivers crossing that crosswalk should NOT have a green light. This is especially important for left and right turns which cross the crosswalk behind a pedestrian walking the same direction (who cannot see the traffic approaching or coming at them). Cars already don't have the right of way in such instance, but with a green light at the intersection, drivers aren't slowing as they approach the intersection --neglecting to consider pedestrians.

2) Ideally, intersections and crosswalks should be signaled so that pedestrians and cars are not signaled to be in the same crosswalks simultaneously. There are different ways to do this, and it is possible.

This situation needs to be avoided, the pedestrian can't see what's behind them and with a green signal, the drivers often don't slow down in advance of the crosswalk.


Going further, traffic signals need to separate pedestrians and crossing cars. Pedestrians need dedicated time for non motorized crossing, period. Cars need dedicated signals that doesn't allow them or encourage them to sneak their cars between pedestrians in the crosswalk --signals and traffic laws should prevent them from even encroaching on the crosswalk when pedestrians have a walk or green signal.



And bikes need better separation from cars as well, and safer bike lane configurations. This photo from Copenhagen shows how bikes can be physically separated from cars so that the bike lane is physically safer than when it is adjacent to the traffic lane.

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Pedestrians and cyclists don't emit greenhouse gases, it needs to be safer to be one in our cities (Original Post) CreekDog Feb 2013 OP
Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. sadbear Feb 2013 #1
i thought about wording it as "...they reduce our carbon footprint"...but thought that less clear CreekDog Feb 2013 #2
Not to mention methane from the occasional, ahem, (whispers) fart. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #7
I would ride everyday to work. coluccim Feb 2013 #3
I have seen cyclists texting, believe it or not.... yellowcanine Feb 2013 #9
Public and private employers also need to look at work from home options Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #4
fair enough, but pedestrian safety is a different issue CreekDog Feb 2013 #5
This alone is another reason kentauros Feb 2013 #6
No, not short sighted...greedy nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #8
I'd rather look at it from Google's point of view, kentauros Feb 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Feb 2013 #12
Years ago I emailed the City of Houston about hike/bike paths. kentauros Feb 2013 #10
Unfortunately (for me) bikes paths have been eliminated coluccim Feb 2013 #13
You may have seen this, though others may not, kentauros Feb 2013 #14
thank you! CreekDog Feb 2013 #15
I agree! kentauros Feb 2013 #16

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
2. i thought about wording it as "...they reduce our carbon footprint"...but thought that less clear
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:18 PM
Feb 2013

coluccim

(13 posts)
3. I would ride everyday to work.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:28 PM
Feb 2013

I have nightmares of getting clipped by a young girl texting in a dark blue Jetta.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
9. I have seen cyclists texting, believe it or not....
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:38 PM
Feb 2013

Maybe not as dangerous as texting in a Jetta, but still...

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
4. Public and private employers also need to look at work from home options
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
Feb 2013

It benefits so many in so many ways, the employee can benefit, the employer, tax payers, environment, people suffering from allergies and pollution from freaking everyone driving to work. We need to start thinking outside the damn box!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
6. This alone is another reason
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:35 PM
Feb 2013

that I support the FCC's plan of creating a free nationwide WiFi system. It could revolutionize our economies in ways no one seems to want to acknowledge.

The technology and software is available now. Only short-sighted people stand in the way.

Response to kentauros (Reply #6)

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
10. Years ago I emailed the City of Houston about hike/bike paths.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:41 PM
Feb 2013

My idea was to use the plethora of easements and rights-of-way (power, pipelines, telecom) as non-road paths. They could then connect up with existing pathways, including those along the bayous.

I only got a form-letter in reply, but they did begin to create paths per my idea. I don't know if I gave it to them, or if they'd had the idea already, but it was refreshing to see them beginning to use already-cleared spaces for low-impact pathways

Oh, one idea I've seen used in other cities (rarely in Houston) are traffic lights specifically for pedestrian and bike traffic only. Often they are placed around universities, where such non-motorized traffic is high. I'd think they'd be pretty easy to install and operate, like the emergency lights in front of fire stations...

coluccim

(13 posts)
13. Unfortunately (for me) bikes paths have been eliminated
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:47 PM
Feb 2013

They are now multi-use paths, and are no longer safe for cycling.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. thank you!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:28 PM
Feb 2013

i think we need to get more people to realize how important and how easy it is to make changes which make pedestrians and cyclists safer!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
16. I agree!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:34 PM
Feb 2013

And I'd like us to be able to educate the other cyclists and pedestrians in safety consciousness, too. Far too many of them are behaving so unsafely that it makes it difficult to get these simple things done for the good of everyone.

Drivers need to read that link, so they can become more aware of their surroundings, whether while moving, or just parked.

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