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I just happened on this story, and it really made me angry. The video at the 3rd link of Olerud presenting his case was like the icing on the cake. Money can buy just about everything.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020389113_treecuttingloxml.html?prmid=obinsource
The story is almost apologetic and way too nice. The idea that neighbors can be forced to remove trees that block someone's view is ridiculous.
Mike Siegel / The Seattle Times Kevin Wells, from The Davey Tree Expert Co., works with a crew to remove a 50-year-old Chinese pine at the center of a legal fight between its owners, Bruce and Linda Baker, of Clyde Hill, and neighbors John and Kelly Olerud, who said it blocked their view.
A chain saw growled as, limb by limb, the foliage fell from Bruce and Linda Bakers cherished Chinese pine.
Soon the crew went after the denuded trunk until it, too, was gone.
The rare pine was removed Tuesday by order of the Clyde Hill Board of Adjustment, which said it unreasonably obstructed the view from the nearby home of retired baseball star John Olerud and his wife, Kelly.
The Bakers decided last month not to appeal the ruling. The pine and a Colorado spruce will be replaced with smaller plants at the Oleruds expense.
Be sure to read the comments in the right column. I am not the only one this bothered.
I also saw this about the 50 year old Chinese Pine:
http://nosonicsarena.com/wp/?p=1488
Recent stories of John Oleruds building a house in 2006, staying at his neighbors house for 8 months while his home is being built, and then waiting a few years before having the Clyde Hill Board of Adjustment vote 3-2 to condemn his neighbors decades-old trees as obstructing Oleruds view have highlighted the different set of rules the wealthy live by.
Picture in your mind what an obstructed view looks like. Now take a look at what Oleruds obstructed view of the Seattle skyline looks like. Hey Mr Golden Glove, if a single tree 100 ft away can obstruct the skyline its not a panoramic skyline view youre looking at but only a feature on the horizon. You should have built your home on the West half of the lot, where your massive back yard is, if you intended to get a better angle on Seattle and dont give your neighbors to the East any ideas with those privacy hedges growing taller over the years.
And there is a news video at this link. The word "entitled" came to my mind.
http://www.komonews.com/sports/Mariner-great-Olerud-hits-home-run-in-battle-over-trees-177811571.html?tab=video&c=y
CLYDE HILL, Wash. -- Dozens of people packed Clyde Hill City Hall on Wednesday to fight for two trees, and the man they were fighting happens to be a former Seattle Mariner great.
John Olerud, the former Mariners first baseman, wants his neighbor to chop down a spruce and a Chinese pine to improve his own view and up the value of his $4 million home.
The neighbor trimmed one tree, but doesn't want to part with either of them.
...."They are not exempt from the view ordinance," Olerud said of the trees. "We have also established that these trees unreasonably obstruct our view, and we respectfully submit our complaint."
The first article as well as Olerud in the video use the term "unreasonably obstructed". How can a tree that is 5 decades old be an unreasonable obstruction when it was there first?
On Edit: Adding a picture of his "obstructed view".
The evidence of an obstructed view Olerud submitted. As shown in Komo4 story.
MinneapolisMatt
(1,550 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)because of an obstructed view.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Apparently this fucker bought lateral property rights as well...
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)He's got to be a life long rethuglican.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to msanthrope (Reply #5)
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BainsBane
(53,066 posts)without using language insulting to all women. I suggest you try it.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)he carried over an attack on Misanthrope from another thread. I'll step out and leave you to your discussion. Sorry for the hijack.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Wasn't meaning to bash you, just couldn't figure out why your exchange was happening in THIS thread.
Have a nice day.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ask the poster to edit?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)I want to make it clear up front that msanthrope didn't alert on you. I did.
pa28
(6,145 posts)The really hilarious chapter of this whole story was when he brought the bible into it. The "christian" thing to do was tear down the eyesore trees that were in place loooong before they built the house.
http://seattle.curbed.com/archives/2012/09/john-olerud-defines-what-it-means-to-be-a-good-neighbor.php
Olerud is a complete asshole, the bible shit just seals the deal.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)" Olerud has thrown out remarks like
"I'm just making the point that if you're willing to cut down your own trees to maintain your view and yet you aren't willing to offer that to your neighbor, how is that being a good neighbor? The Bible says, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, and your neighbor as yourself.' That's Jesus' commandment."
That's just plain stretching religion way too far.
Ridiculous.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)cutting down two trees for his personal veiwing pleasure is not very Christian.
moron correction "moran"
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)pride goes before destruction and the haughty spirit before the fall...
the shame of it is, he will probably sell that property within 5 years and those trees will be gone forever.
It seems to me that if he wanted an unobstructed view, he should have scoped out the property a whole lot better and bought somewhere else that wouldn't have necessitated him chopping down old trees.
What a philistine.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)What Would Jesus Demolish?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)So entitled. It is equally valid that as a good Christian, he should love his neighbor enough to allow him to keep his 50 year old tree.
0rganism
(23,970 posts)Deuteronomy 20:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees people, that you should besiege them?
Go forth My chosen people! Kill the Canaanites, but leave the foliage intact!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)He is an ass and a selfish arrogant pig with no respect for other peoples property let alone respect for beauty and life and the earth. I have a real loathing for people like this jerk.
Have I made myself clear???
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)they need to get called out...
But it does illustrate once again how laws apply to the 1% crowd, and how they apply to the rest of us...I'm betting Olerud isn't even the type to spend 30 seconds admiring the view -- He did this an an exercise of power...
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)In order to resolve the conflict between trees
and views as defined herein, no tree, (except as
exempted under CHMC 17.38.020(C))
whether native or planted and whenever or
wherever planted in Clyde Hill is immune
from complaint if the height of the tree unreasonably
obstructs the view or access to sunlight
of a neighbor. No owner of a tree shall
allow the same to grow or tolerate or permit
the presence on the owners premises of such a
tree.
http://www.mrsc.org/mc/clydehill/clyde17.pdf
So the problem appears to lie with a shitty ordinance.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)someone needs to take this to the state supreme court
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I can see some reasoning for it. If you wanted to install solar power or heating on your property, but couldn't because of a neighbor's trees, there should be some sort of remedy available. However, I don't believe the obstruction of someone's "view" should qualify as the ordinance allows.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)For example-if my neighbor had a tree that caused me discomfort when it bloomed, I'd just have to live with it.
Roy Rolling
(6,933 posts)John Olerud Onester cuts down a truffula tree. And not even a thneed to show for it!
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Always thought he was a phony dick.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The evidence of an obstructed view Olerud submitted. As shown in Komo4 story.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Tiny hint of skyline < trees.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...an asshole used a loophole in 'green' provisions to cut down 40+ trees on his property and sell them to a lumber company. And no, he did not need the money.
He was so hated after that, he left the state.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)but in Clyde Hill, a tony suburb on the east side of Lake Washington.
View ordinances are a BFD around here, because there's things to see: the Cascades, the Olympics, the Sound, Mt. Rainier, the Space Needle. There's one subdivision in Seattle where you can't have a tree over 15'.
We had our view of the Cascades blocked by a spec house across the street, & got the city to reduce our property value by 100K.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)the HUMANITY!!!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)If your valuation goes down by 100K that's probably a nice reduction in the tax.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)It has false corbels under the eaves that are not applied symmetrically, and the builder didn't care, and the buyer didn't notice. It's 6000 sf on a 5000 sf lot and has an elevator shaft. My super-old neighbor Marilyn named it "the Rooming House".
Giant houses made of ticky-tack.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Big houses with random architectural details, blech.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)I am really sick of having a Hummer obscure my view of the parking lot. I AM OUTRAGED!!!
snort
(2,334 posts)but that's not a hummer, its actually my ass in this pair of jeans.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)OMG STOP IT; YOU'RE KILLING ME
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Thank heaven that such stupid view ordinances aren't in place everywhere.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Here's where you tell me that natural beauty comes in all scales and all natural beauty is equivalent.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)you are sounding a little condescending to the rest of us.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Cheers!
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)MadHound was "sounding a little" derisive of my explanation, as if there were nothing at stake. Higher property taxes are assessed on view properties.
Views are a BFD here. Mt. Rainier is one of the most valuable views you can have. But Seattle has no city view ordinances, so if my view of it got blocked, I'd have no recourse. Like I have no recourse about my neighbor's wall of spindly, ugly evergreens that blocks my view of the Glacier Peak Wilderness.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)The funny part is that you live in an urban area and expect, nay, demand, that you have a "view".
You want a view, move out to a rural area, then you can get extraordinary, panoramic views, no matter where you live. It is one of the reasons I moved out to the country.
Oh, and while I can't view Mt. Rainier from where I live, I have views that are just as beautiful, each in their own way. And I don't have a government entity charging me extra for them.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)It's one thing if your neighbor erects something that blocks your view. Or if a tree somehow represents a danger to your house.
But to complain because your view is blocked by a goddamned tree? Trees don't just pop up out of nowhere overnight.
As far as the subdivision you referenced, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's a relatively new subdivision, where they bulldozed all pre-existing trees.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Most of the homes are late 40s, early 50s. There's a slope to the west, so everyone can see over their neighbor's house to the Olympic Mountains.
As long as there aren't 100' Doug Firs, etc.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)if you can get a view-blocking feature removed, the value of the property goes up. Just as I've said before, it's always the money.
Wonder if he's close to being "underwater" on his primary loan which would drive the attempt to increase his property value. Bet is the jerk wants to put his house on the market for maximum value. Wonder when he will attempt to get all those other trees removed so he can advertise a panoramic view? Just a thought.
P.S. It's a shitty view of the City, with or without the trees.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)So I'm thinking it was there before he bought his house.
Maybe he should have picked a home somewhere with a better view if he didn't like the trees.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In fact they lived with the Bakers for several months while their house was being built.
Way to treat a friend, huh?
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)It's not like those trees sprang up out of nowhere.
If Olerud was so goddamned concerned about his precious view, maybe he could have taken that into consideration before he bought his house?
It's complete bullshit that someone should have to cut down some trees because some asshole decided after the fact that he didn't like the view. It would be one thing if the homeowner had erected some eyesore that blocked his neighbor's view, but that's not the case here.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Just disgusting.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)agrees. They were never consulted?
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)I wish people who enjoy Redwoods would stop buying wine from Nor Cal. But the love of booze seems to outweigh the love of nature here anymore so I can't blame them. May as well kill em all now, the changing climate is doing way more damage anyhow.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)It is highly exceptional that even single true OG trees are cut.
That said, I don't support conversion of redwood forests to grapes. The practice has been a trend for some time.
SaveAmerica
(5,342 posts)From comments after the article that says the tree will be carved into something purty:
February 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM
I certainly hope that Warren Weber intends to carve a 30 foot tall extended middle finger that will fit in nicely with Olerud's newly expanded view.
formercia
(18,479 posts)She came up from CT, built a nice house, stables and an equestrian layout for her daughter, then went up to her neighbor and demanded he tear down his barn because it obstructed her view. The Town Council basically told her to pound sand.
I was cutting up some blow-downs on my woodlot, when this neighbor comes out of her house screaming at me for cutting down her trees. I showed her where her property line was and explained I was just cleaning up dead wood. She says: " I don't care. If I can see them, they're my trees." Then she goes to the Code Enforcement officer and gets a stop-work order. The fucking Hubris of some of these assholes that come from out of State and think their shit doesn't stink.
You know who you are....
bvar22
(39,909 posts)... has been obstructed by ugly, boxy things called "Wal-Mart".
Who do I see about having my view restored?
kcass1954
(1,819 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist. We have a new walmart nearing completion here - nobody wants it but we're stuck and lost a pasture to it.
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)It's in the neighborhood where the University of Colorado Medical Center used to be. Now there is this huge area of empty buildings and the city has been trying to get something there for about 5 years. This is a pretty good neighborhood except for the empty buildings, then along comes, you guessed it, Walmart. The neighborhood rose up like the wrath of God, and, by God, they won. Now some upscale shopping, housing, blah, blah is going in. My idea, make it a huge park! Now there's a view!
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)In the end, little was done. Like the George Bush clear all the cedars off your land before the jackbooted EPA infringes on your property rights for that damned little birdie movement.
Leave nothing but a denuded landscape for the rest who love nature. This is also their argument for stealing the parks, as that land is too good for the likes of commoners to set foot on. Easy while everyone's staying indoors.
patrice
(47,992 posts)just go buy another cage, or move to Mars apparently, when there's nothing left here.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)At this rate I'm going to need a great deal of water.
martglobal
(1 post)Christians are known by their works, what this idiotic person and his wife did is a shame, horrible, non christian, it pisses me off so bad. I hope you choke with you Seattle view, you ignorant feces face.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I would ask to have the Olerud house torn down
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)given my experience a couple years ago with the utilities cutting down my decades old MayDay tree. I watched the video. There's no way those trees were a problem. Rich people are not like you and me.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Cutting it down was mean and ignorant.
patrice
(47,992 posts)DearHeart
(692 posts)Didn't he and his architect check the views of the property to see if there were any trees, etc., that would "unreasonably obstruct" their views??? Seems to me if you want a panoramic view, you would do this before you broke ground on the damn house!!
Now, a rare tree dies so a dipshit asshole can have a CLEAR PANORAMIC VIEW!! My, isn't he privileged...and all for being a stupid baseball player who has some money!!!!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If they had to be removed from the property, why couldn't they be replanted someplace ELSE?
Did Olerud specifically demand that the trees be killed?
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)The pines I've seen removed had to be cut in increments so as not to fall onto property and damage it. A falling tree would probably break, too, depending on what it fell on.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)In the first one, people bought a house near train tracks, maybe half a mile from a very busy titanium factory. Naturally, even though eye signed disclosure forms acknowledging the nearby train tracks, they tried to sue Union Pacific to make the trains run at different times.
In the other one, many people bought houses near a pig farm in North Las Vegas, then sued to have the family-owned pig farm shut down because it smelled so bad. That pig farm has been smelling like pig shit since the 1940s, and they knew that the area smelled like pig shit when they signed the mortgage.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)probably bought their properties on the cheap with the expectation that they could get rid of the "nuisance" that was depressing the price of said properties and then sell them for a tidy profit.
mokawanis
(4,452 posts)He deserves to be confronted and shamed for his asshole behavior.
Nika
(546 posts)What a jerk those two people are.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)"You guys saw the trees," Olerud said at the board hearing. "They're not attractive trees. I would say they're the kind of tree that only an arborist would love. ...
"I'm just making the point that if you're willing to cut down your own trees to maintain your view and yet you aren't willing to offer that to your neighbor, how is that being a good neighbor?
"The Bible says, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, and your neighbor as yourself.' That's Jesus' commandment."
..."In an effort to placate Olerud, Baker cut down a small coast redwood, agreed to remove the spruce and had the pine pruned in a way intended to allow some of the viewscape to show through. But he wasn't willing to cut down a tree that his arborist called very rare and valued at $18,000.
Nika
(546 posts)These trees never should of been killed for such a trivial reason. I hope this makes him vastly unpopular with his neighbors, which would come in handy when people have to deal with the next complaint by this couple.
I would bet money he's not done being an anti-social landscape Hitler.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It WAS a trivial reason to cut down a tree. It really angered me to read it, and he sounds so entitled.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Olerud wasn't the only person who brought up religion during a Board of Adjustment hearing last month following a visit by the board to the two homes.
Nancy Dammkoehler, a neighbor who spoke at the hearing, said the Oleruds are reasonable people and scolded Baker: "All they want is to see the top of the Space Needle. If you can't figure this out, boy, I tell you, you'd better find a different line of work, buddy, because you're not very Christian."
Neighbors Joel and Nanci Richards stuck to more secular reasoning when they wrote that if the Bakers are forced to cut down the pine, "we should rename Clyde Hill to 'Bald Hill,' because no tree will be safe from a piece of someone's view."
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019112255_olerud10m.html
sendero
(28,552 posts).... and I don't mean that in a good way.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)YOU ARE AN ASS.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and the dumbass politicians who allowed this to happen run the fuck out of town.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)What kind of rules does this neighborhood have? The tree is the property of the Bakers, so how a view from another property can trump that - the property rights libertarians should be furious.
mac56
(17,574 posts)Olerud was one of my favorite ball players for many seasons.
Sad to learn that he's such a dick.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)in every culture, we would have a lot less global warming today.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Activists never succeeded in stopping that. That was a major blow to the health of our world. The media did cover it for a long time. Now we don't see much about that at all.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)of oxygen. When did we pass peak oxygen?
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)The spot on his ugly soul will forever be marked. Guess THAT is the view he should have been a little more worried about. He'll take this obnoxious incident to the grave now thanks to the internet and the world press the story received.
Soiling one's own legacy should be his new sport. He's quite good at it.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...primarily with new construction and now with wholesale tree removal.
Strat0
(34 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)I guess that doesn't apply in Seattle for the 1 percent, though.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)to cut down those beautiful trees, I'm afraid I'd have no choice but to show my patriotism of 'Murica and find the biggest fucking flagpole and the biggest fucking American flag I could find and put it where the trees were. Or better yet, a HUGE banner with the Ten Commandments on them. Make me take THAT down, asshole!