These assholes can't help showing their hatred for women…

[MrScorpio]

[Kalidurga]

1. Well at least he admits his goal is to force women to have children.

I wonder what else he has no problem with women being forced to do.

[JHB]

12. Yeah, they usually try to dance around that point...

...this is the first guy I've seen to actually embrace the term.

[treestar]

57. +1

I wondered if he intended to or it just slipped out?

[liberalhistorian]

2. Say WHAAAAAAAAAATTT??????

Please tell me this is from the Onion, please? Although, nowadays, reality really is starting to become the Onion.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

3. It's becoming very frightening.

It's like they have declared an open season on women.

[NutmegYankee]

6. The reactionaries are reacting to societal change.

Their era of oppression and privilege is fading away and they know it. I just hope this is but a flash in the pan.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

8. I certainly hope so.

What started out being almost comic parody, has become virulent.

[kardonb]

30. frightening

they are scared shitless of women , because we can do anything they can do , as well . Such fragile egos !

[Sekhmets Daughter]

32. And because they are so scared,

they have become viciously mean.

[tavalon]

37. The open faced declaration is the only new thing

[Sekhmets Daughter]

51. The boldness of that declration is enough

don't you think? I am astounded.

[atreides1]

38. You know what's really frightening?

The fact that it isn't only men who have declared open season on women! We have seen more then enough Republican women participate, if not lead in the attacks on women's rights!

[Sekhmets Daughter]

52. If you peel back the layers of this onion...

you'll find that it is women driving the men. Phyllis Schlafly battled the ERA and has never stopped trying to kill feminism. One of her 6 children founded Conservapedia. Ann Coulter, and her little black dress, and it is a female attorney behind those back door laws which have made abortion almost impossible in some states. There have always been women whose only validation is gleaned from the men in their lives. They are the most fearful...they want all women confined to little boxes, their sexuality forever hidden.

[BuelahWitch]

60. I doubt that they're *driving* the men, they don't have the power to do such things

but they're certainly collaborators. They get paid big bucks for that support. Shoefly is likely a True Believer, but I think Coulter is only in it for the money.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

61. You underestimate the power of bedroom politics...

Coulter plays to a crowd of men...

[WCGreen]

4. It's not hatred it is fear, fear of what might happen to endanger the dominate male construct...

[TheDebbieDee]

29. I think it's all about fear of caucasians becoming a minority

in this country. Republicans want white women to have their babies regardless of how they were conceived because they want to outpace beige, brown and black Americans in the demographics race.

They don't really give a damn if beige, brown and black women have abortions, but they can't say so or it would give their game away........

It's not about male domination - it's about maintaining a white majority in this country.

[RayStar]

34. So true

You are so correct with this post. I had a repairman in my house who said "people have to go out of the country to adopt babies". I said there are babies here for them to adopt but they choose not because they don't want the ones here.

[WCGreen]

41. Ah come on, give me a break....

It took me 10 minutes to figure that sentence out....

[pampango]

49. I think it is both. Some conservatives want to preserve the white majority

in the country. (The 'we want our country back' folks from the tea party are one example.) Most of them also oppose immigration, since most immigrants are minorities, and gay marriage under the misconception that being gay is a 'white' thing that lowers the white birth rate. If these conservatives were smart (now there's a big IF) they would support abortion coverage in public health sector. That would 'give their game away' but it might help the win a 'game' that they stand to lose otherwise.

Other conservatives want to preserve male dominance over women's bodies. Societal changes in recent decades have given women more rights, access to better jobs and more choice over what to do with their own bodies. There has been a male reaction against this even in the early days, long before there was any consciousness that the US would ever be anything but a majority-white country.

I was working with a civil rights organization in the South in the late 1970's and realized that in many ways feminism was going to impact many white males more than civil rights for African Americans would. The government might force you to hire and promote a few more AA's and let them eat in your restaurant. It might change the laws barring them from living in your neighborhood but few could afford to live there anyway. OTOH, empowering women potentially reached right into the homes and families of white men. (His status as the 'king of his castle' was threatened.) It did not only affect them when they were in the 'outside world'.

And, of course, there are many conservatives who fear that both male domination and the white majority are threatened.

[treestar]

58. Indeed - in fact I have one right wing relative

Who admitted he was OK with black women (whom he perceives as being on welfare in all cases) having abortions.

[Marr]

5. And the GOP re-states it's commitment to remaining a regional party only.

Until they expel these sorts of nitwits, the GOP will no longer be a national party.

[love_katz]

7. Bingo!

You are a winner, MrScorpio.

This is what it all comes down to...forcing women to have children.

Hey, they've gotta have more cannon-fodder for their wars, and more low-wage slaves for their plantations...er, jobs.

[sheshe2]

9. Will some one tell Lance that he is not in Kansas any more.

He lives in the state of Hate with his other GOP crazies!

[Tagish_Charlie]

10. Look where this dickhead is from

The Great State of Brownbackistan, Realm of Supreme Mullah Taliban Sam. This asshole is merely one of Mullah Sam's toadie water carriers

[Brigid]

11. There go his reelection chances.

Oh wait . . . This is Kansas . . .

[Useless in FL]

13. O geez, I sure wish I could "like" individual posts!

[Downwinder]

14. I'll bet he rails against welfare queens, too.

[NBachers]

15. Plus, we all know how ditzy and hysterical they are

please don't make me have to use the sarcasm thingie

[Stonepounder]

16. Ummm, I'm gonna take this one with a LARGE grain of salt.

1. There is no context for the quote. "Mental health exception" ... to what?

2. There is no link to a source for this quote.

3. There is no date/place/time as to when/where he is supposed to have said this.

3. A Google search for Mr. Kinzer turns up no news about this quote. Surely somebody else would have commented on it.

4. Mr. Kinzer categorically denies having said this.

I would need some more info before I would believe that even the most reactionary politician would have said something like this. If he did, then he needs to be booted out of office, obviously. But, without a source I will withold judgement.

[MrScorpio]

21. That's his position

http://theczech.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/mental-health-attacked-as-reason-for-abortion-in-kansas/

[Stonepounder]

24. I have no doubt whatsoever that he is an anti-abortion idiot.

However, the link you provided does not reflect the apparent quote you posted. I'm not in any way agreeing with his position, I just can't find a source for the quote you posted.

[magellan]

22. +1, I can't find a source for this quote

Other than a blogspot and a recent tweet.

[woo me with science]

26. +1 We are being rallied into our Red and Blue Teams.

I tried to find the quote, too. The only reference I can find is in a google search that dates to 2011...and it appears to come from a blog post that can't be accessed.

If it's an accurate quote, and that appears to be a big "IF," it is years old at least.

It's textbook corporate propaganda to try to rev us all up into our Red Team hatred and Blue Team loyalty, *especially* when the corporate faction of our party is committing a serious betrayal of Democratic values and principles that threatens to elicit some pushback from voters. It's the updated version of Orwell's "Two Minutes Hate."

I suspect that Mr. Scorpio is not the only one who ran across this quote this week . It's probably all over the web.

This is how the corporatists keep us circling the wagons and defending the indefensible. They work to keep our defense of the Blue Team visceral and emotional, and based in hatred of the Reds. The same thing goes for the other side, when they are pushing unpopular legislation. They foment our hatred for each other so that we will keep focused on those boiling hot differences, and never unite against the predatory corporate agenda they are enacting against all of us.

The timing here probably has everything to do with the fact that our *Democratic* President has once again offered up unconscionable cuts to Social Security benefits desperately needed by millions of Americans and opposed by the vast majority of Americans even across party lines.

Faced with not only the potential for boiling anger from Democrats who have been betrayed after a campaign promising to protect Social Security....but also the more serious possibility that Americans could actually unite across party lines to oppose this outrage....

Well, it only makes sense that the one percent consider it very important right now to keep us focused on and hating each other, rather than what they are doing to all of us.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

40. well, I think you should read post #25; apparently the poster knows him

In the political realm.

You raise good points about visceral reactions and circling the anti-Red wagons. I just think you should look at that post.

[spanone]

17. as soon as i saw 'these assholes' i knew who you meant.

[summerschild]

18. Do women not vote in Kansas?

It's hard to believe neanderthals like this get even one woman's vote.

If his wife even votes for him it's to keep him in a job.

[tblue37]

59. We here in Lawrence are a blue island in a

sea of red. There just aren't enough of us to counter the votes of the super red districts. Kansas even has a female state legislator who said a few years ago that she considered it a mistake for women to have been given the vote at all!

[Rex]

19. Good to hear that, please tell us more about

why you think tyrannical power is better then democratic power. Please, do continue.


Tell us more!

[siligut]

20. Suffer little children

Lance doesn't live in the real world.

[47of74]

23. Fuck you, Lance Kinzer

[MuseRider]

25. Well he is finally getting his way.

We have beat him time and time again. Stalled his disgusting ideas in committee for years but now we have little choice but to let it all go. There are only a scarce few moderates or dems to fight this.

This man is a complete, I don't know. Whenever I have seen him or sat in on his committees I just get the creepiest feeling that he has cleaned himself so thoroughly that he is no longer human and his god will still not take him home.

Anyone who reads this and thinks he made a mistake is incorrect. He means this with all his little heart. This man would lock us in our homes to protect men from our womanly filthiness.

[woo me with science]

45. What do you mean, "he is finally getting his way"?

What is happening right now?

What, specifically, do you mean, that you are "letting it all go"?

Could you give a link, please? I have been doing searches and I don't find anything pending legislatively or having anything to do with him.

[MuseRider]

56. Hi woo.

I see this is not established as a true quote so I will back off a little here.

I know this man, have dealt with him mostly through the LGBT group here in Kansas. This is part of the anti woman thing here. Just more of the same and this quote did not surprise me, I could easily imagine him saying it. I know this guy on a much greater level than most everyone posting here. Yes it is happening right now, they are working on the anti woman bills right now.

Letting it go was just my frustration. We have nowhere to turn really, almost the entire legislature is comprised of these types and the tea baggers.

I was reacting to the OP that I did not check. My fault I am aware of that.

I saw a post of yours referring to a thread that was probably this one, or maybe not, about drawing lines between us and them. Just so you know, that was not the reason for my reaction. I am neither an us or them, I am unaffiliated. This reaction is totally appropriate if you knew the history of Lance Kinzer and the way he works. He thinks he is a master at disguising civil rights abuses in his bills. He gets found out.

Here in Kansas it really can't be an us or them game. There are not enough on one side to even squeek and be heard and the Koch money would squelch it instantly if they tried, and they do try.

You can't find anything? Try starting here. http://www.lancekinzer.com/ then you can go to his legislative site and/or the Kansas Legislature site.

[Dash87]

27. Fake

[Generic Brad]

28. I just assumed they hated everyone

Their actions do not disprove my theory.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. Can the true-blue states secede now?

These people are nuts. Let them have their own unfettered dystopia.

[PDJane]

33. I can't find him actually saying this, no.

However, his actions are meant to do just this, so I will give the author a pass. To this man, the lives of women, the quality of life for women and children, those things don't matter in the face of the aborted foetus, whether that foetus has a chance at a decent life or not.

In my view, this is not pro-life. Anti-women? Yes....and considering that these men are the ones who won't support the VAWA, I have to suspect they like their women pregnant and lightly battered.

[Brigid]

43. Don't forget barefoot.

[NeeDeep]

35. They are mnipulators, first and foremost

trying to empower themselves. It may sound somewhat legitimate, or religious, or political, in the absence of empathy, people manipulate, pure and simple, and always at someone's else's expense.

[tavalon]

36. Women, under no circumstance, should you

ever fuck this man. He is a misogynist.

[davidn3600]

42. Sadly, a lot of women like that type of guy

Dont you remember in high schools and college...the guys that treated women like crap never had trouble finding a girlfriend.

[smirkymonkey]

46. Ugh! No f***ing way! Men like that make us sick.

[DeSwiss]

39. K&R

Henry Rollins- The GOP's Disdain for Women Is Appalling

[Initech]

44. These pro life scumbags just keep dragging us back into the dark ages.

The first civil was fought over slavery. I'm convinced abortion will cause the next.

[smirkymonkey]

47. +10.000

[Notafraidtoo]

48. Couldn't find the quote

I did look at legislation he proposed and sponsored and this quote would fit right in on what he wants to do but I am not ready to say he said this with out some proof.

[intheflow]

54. It is unverified. And his web site denies he said it.

However you're absolutely right it is the both in the spirit and the implementation of his proposed legislation.

[Shankapotomus]

50. Wow

Guess he doesn't see the relation between forced childbirth and forced intercourse.

[sufrommich]

53. Ugh, there's no hiding

contempt like this guy has. "Forced to have children".

[shcrane71]

55. Your mother raised you right, Mr. Scorpio.

Good thing she was much more than just a uterus for baby-making, and she with your family were able to appropriately raise such a thoughtful human.

[riderinthestorm]

62. I know this isn't verified but sadly, the sentiment is all too real nt

[ck4829]

63. Childbirth - It's like jury duty... except it can kill you or destroy your mental health!

[Curmudgeoness]

64. At least he admits it---women would be forced

to have babies, and he is good with that.

[undeterred]

65. Can we force his vocal cords to be sliced?

[another_liberal]

66. He comes from a place like Kansas . . .

He's a currently active politician and he comes from a place like Kansas, so of course he sucks. That place (and this guy) is exactly what Margaret Atwood was writing about, right?

[tclambert]

67. I apologize. I can't think of anything sarcastic enough to say about this idiocy.

To all women, and all the residents of Kansas, you have my sympathy.

[savannah43]

68. These "men" are, of course, going to pay child support for all

the children they force women to have, right? I anticipate a new book coming out titled, "NOW What's the Matter with Kansas?" The subtitle will be "The Stupid Arrogance--It Burns."

[Smilo]

69. This is the arsehole who

sponsored a bill that wanted to discrimination against gays legal on the grounds of religious freedom

These hypochristians make me effing sick.

[The Wizard]

70. Short peckered jerkoff (NT)

[classof56]

71. And republicons wonder why they're losing voters??

If I still believed in god, I'd be praying some pretty ugly prayers right about now.

and oh, yes