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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy theory on why North Korea nuke tests have been low yield duds.
I've mentioned this in another thread related to North Korea's nuclear tests, but thought I would invite discussion in a thread of its own. Disclaimer: Not a nuclear scientist, not a weapons designer, do not play one on TV, did not stay at "Holiday Inn Express" last night. This is speculation based on what I've read about the tests in traditional media sources.
In the early days of the Manhattan Project, America's nuclear scientists had hopes for creating a simple plutonium based weapon similar to the "Gun" design that was used in the uranium based "Little Boy" weapon dropped on Hiroshima. The design, known as "Thin Man" would work by firing a sub-critical mass plutonium into another sub-critical mass plutonium target. The device had the advantage of being comparatively simple to construct and highly reliable, but not very efficient.
But, it turned out that the design had a fatal flaw, in order to prevent pre-detonation , the two masses had to be brought together at tremendous speeds - much higher than a uranium bomb required. The gun barrel required to fire the plutonium to speeds where pre-detonation would be less likely would require a gun barrel too long for any existing or planned bomber. The designers turned to a much more difficult implosion design to create a deliverable plutonium fission device.
Which leads me to North Korea's three underground nuclear tests. Creating a plutonium implosion device is still a very difficult engineering challenge - requiring great precision, substantial costs, and difficult to obtain tooling. But, creating a "Thin Man" device is rather simple - it just takes construction of a rather large gun barrel. What you get is a very dirty, inefficient, low yield nuclear device - which accurately describes the three North Korean tests.
In terms of weapons design, Thin Man is a dead end. It will not lead to a warhead that could ever be carried on a missile, aircraft of artillery shell. But since nobody outside of North Korea seems to any solid data about the design of the devices they have tested, it can be an effective political bluff. It would be cheap to develop and have a high likelihood of creating a low yield nuclear detonation. North Korea has attempted sell the idea that they are creating "Highly Miniaturized" devices to explain the low yields, but most weapons experts seem to think that this is unlikely given the level of technology that North Korea possesses and consider it more likely that the tests were fizzles in which only a small portion of the plutonium underwent fission. An imperfect implosion would do that - or a Thin Man.
It might be possible for North Korea to deliver a low yield Thin Man device - in the back of a large truck, shipping container, railroad car or in the hold of a ship. Despite the low yield, because it is a very "Dirty" device, it could spread radioactive contamination over a large area. But fears of North Korea mounting one of these things on one of their crude ballistic missiles? Not likely.
longship
(40,416 posts)When you assemble the components of a nuclear bomb, you need a couple of neutrons of a specific energy (not too much; not too little) to start the chain reaction. There are cosmic rays all the time which can initiate the chain reaction, but here's the problem. The assembly will blow itself apart before the chain reaction gets going if no neutrons start the thing going. In other words, it'll be a dud... Yes, a dirty one, but at least it won't blow up a city.
This is a big nuclear weapon secret. The initiator. And NK hasn't yet figured it out. I suspect it isn't a trivial problem. BTW, it's an issue for both the gun-type U bomb and the implosion Pu one. No neutrons at precisely the right time? You've got a dud.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)If the chain reaction starts too soon, the weapon blows itself apart just as critical mass is being reached. That's the pre-detonation problem.
From what I've read, you are correct about this being possible with Uranium gun designs - there was a small percentage chance that Little Boy could have pre-detonated and become a fizzle.
longship
(40,416 posts)Little Boy was never tested before it was dropped on Hiroshima. They knew it would work, so no test was necessary. Fat Man was tested at Alamogordo before they dared weaponize it. Implosion was extremely difficult and the U gun was trivial in comparison.
But I agree, pre-detonation for the gun design is a big issue. But, the same thing happens without a proper initiator. No neutrons? No big bang. The assembly blows itself apart before it has time to chain react.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)IIRC they're having an even bigger problem building a missile. A dirty bomb has some advantages: it's easier to make, it instills in the mind of the enemy the fear to attack, and it'll fit on a barge...just float it to Incheon and set it off.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....Is it possible, given the extremely limited space in NK for nuclear testing, that they are indeed testing very small devices as noted in the article below? It appears to me that warheads with a yield of 6-7 kilotons could very easily be used as tactical nukes to eliminate C3 centers and other key enemy air and ground formations.
N. Korea's nuclear device yield estimated at 6-7 kilotons: Seoul
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By Kim Eun-jung
SEOUL, Feb. 12 (Yonhap) -- North Korea is believed to have detonated a nuclear device with a yield of 6-7 kilotons, which is more powerful than bombs used in previous atomic tests, Seoul's defense ministry said Tuesday.
Hours after 4.9-magnitude seismic tremors with unusual sound waves were detected near the North's nuclear test site in its northeastern tip shortly before noon, Pyongyang's state media announced it has successfully tested a "smaller and lighter nuclear warhead" at an underground site.
Based on the seismic tremor, the military estimated the nuclear test had a yield of 6-7 kilotons, which is more powerful than previous tests but weaker than the bombs detonated in Japan during World War II, ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said, noting the blast has been deemed "destructive."
"In-depth analysis is under way to determine the strength of the nuclear blast," Kim said during a briefing. "The nuclear device yield estimate can vary depending on the evaluation method."
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)It took hundreds of nuclear tests before the United States and Soviet Union to gain the experience they need to create light-weight warheads.
It's not hard to create a low-yield kiloton+ yield device. What is hard is create a nuclear weapon that is smaller enough to be mounted on a missile. It is not just a matter of scaling down the design. The theory that they are detonating crude, undeliverable "Thin Man" devices is consistent with seismic data from the three tests.