Pit bulls and Bans:

[Texasgal]

For those in favor can you please explain to me how you would like to ban the breed?

Would you just euthanize all the Pitts? How would you distinguish the breeds? Would you take my family dog and put her down?

How exactly would this work?

[The Link]

1. Grandfather current owners.

Ban new sales and breeding. Require spay and neuter for all animals in the banned breed.

[Texasgal]

2. Okay, like anything else?

I have no problems with education and neutering. I am all for that.

How would you ban breeding?

[The Link]

3. Make it unlawful with stiff penalties.

Just like any law banning or limiting something. It won't prevent 100% instantly, but it will certainly limit and eventually eliminate the targeted breed.

[Texasgal]

4. Stiff penalties should be for ANYONE

that doesn't neuter and take care of their animals. Period.

[The Link]

6. I have no problem with what you say on that subject.

We are specifically discussing how to carry out a ban on a breed of dog. I offered my view.

[Texasgal]

5. How do you distinguish the breed?

For penalty? Another question?

[The Link]

7. I would leave that to experts in the field.

Perhaps look at other countries and jurisdictions that have bans in place on certain breeds?

[Texasgal]

10. What experts?

Would your "banners' come and euthanize my family dog?

[The Link]

12. I thought this was already covered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2497204

[Drale]

11. Very few laws are created or enforced by "experts in the field"

Breed specific laws do not work and in many places the government breaks into peoples homes or comes on to their property illegally and steals a persons dog even if its not a "pitbull" type dog. This happens all the time and there is really no recourse for the owners. Breed specific laws are designed to be misused. We have a habit of being scared of something in America and making laws against it even if all the evidence shows that those laws do not work aka Breed Specific Laws and the so called Drug War.

[cynatnite]

8. Someone actually had the audacity to propose this? WTF?

There are different types of pit bulls and even then you will still have dogs who won't be pure bred.

I just think this would be practically impossible to regulate. It seems to me that any attempt to regulate this could lead to practically making the breed extinct in this country. Even if it didn't, there would be a black market of sorts as a result which certainly wouldn't help matters at all. As much as I don't care for them, I find this notion of banning a breed of dog abhorent.

[Texasgal]

9. I am guessing you have not

Understood my post.

I am completely against any ban breeds and was only curious how the nay sayers would deal with such a ban,

[Auntie Bush]

13. There are a lot of wonderful loving gentle pit bulls.

Stupid mean owners make them vicious on purpose.

[Drale]

16. Yeap exactly

just like a lot of the time stupid parents make stupid children, are we going to demand that these stupid children, who do far more damage to society than any dog, be taken from their parents?

[cynatnite]

14. I understood. I was just surprised at why anyone would suggest such a thing. n/t

[Drale]

15. They try to do it all over the place

thats why if you have a dog you have to be very careful were you move, especially in red states because many communities with breed specific laws will break into peoples homes or take the dog right from a persons back yard and have them killed without any evidence that the dog is even the banned breed. Breed Specific Bans do not work and in fact cause more problems than they fix, kind of like the Drug War.

[Texasgal]

19. Are breed specific bans in more red states?

Curious. I guess I have not seen that much in my red state.

[Drale]

21. I have no hard evidence but it seems like it

at least when ever I hear about a town taking a dog its usually in a red state and none of the towns around me in Illinois have any BSL's.

[Texasgal]

22. So, you have no proof.

Right?


Can you provide me with a more comprehensive list of "ban" states? "usually" doesn't work.

[baldguy]

17. BSLs don't work. They're the result of ignorance, fear, stupidity & misinformation.

[Drale]

18. They work about as well

as Drug Laws or laws of the past banning premarital sex. Its even worst though because BSL's pretty much allow a municipality to break into your home or enter your property without permission and take your dog if they even suspect that its the banned breed.

[galileoreloaded]

20. Destruction on discovery, ban on breeding.

or, we can just toss a pit rescue in a crowded preschool, and you know, let em be nanny dogs ala Little Rascals.

[The Link]

23. Harsh but effective.

How would you deal with current owners?

[galileoreloaded]

24. destruction on discovery

lets get all Stalin on this shit. I mean, after all, slavery got shit done right? right?

[The Link]

27. I tend to lean more to gradual means of eliminating dangerous breeds.

Several jurisdictions have enacted spay/neuter legislation on specific breeds with successful results. I think that this in addition to a ban on breeding would work over an extended period of time.

[Texasgal]

31. You never answered my question

how do you identify breeds and temperament?

[The Link]

33. I don't believe you can identify temperament.

Miami-Dade County has a pit bull ban in effect. It covers American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, or any other dog that substantially conforms to any of these breeds' characteristics.

[galileoreloaded]

38. Banning a destructive species works for the greater good.

Don't see any cobras or cobra apologists in Manhattan do ya?

[Texasgal]

25. Effective?

How?

How do you know my pitt is a menace or a loving dog?

How do you distinguish breeds?

My dogs LOOK like pitts, does that mean you'll come after them with your needle?

[The Link]

29. In your scenario, did you have the dogs prior to the legislation taking effect?

If it was after, did you knowingly break the law? If before, I have stated that current owners would be grandfathered, although sterilization would be mandatory.

[Texasgal]

32. I would NEVER sterilize my dog for NO reason

Period.

You tell me how to discern how my dog is a menace to you? How do you make that desvion?

My dogs LOOK like pitts but are not and even if they were who the hell are you to tell me to put my dog down?

[galileoreloaded]

37. Your type of self-identified dog kills little babies

so what do you have against little babies?

Your rights as an individual must be diminished re: your destructive "dogs".

Watch the news, there is only one answer.

[KittyWampus]

26. I can't imagine banning a breed would work. Better to educate public about need to train animals.

[Texasgal]

28. Thank you!

Education and neuter programs are the way to go!

[KittyWampus]

30. it hurts my heart to think of all the unwanted animals.

[Kalidurga]

34. If they really want to ban pit bulls they will have to ban...

terriers and bull dogs the two breeds that were bred to make pit bulls. They are technically bull terriers. Then they would have to ban other dangerous breeds like Akitas and Rotties. Which I am also against. The dangerous dogs are usually owned by dangerous people. The ban should be on dangerous people owning the dogs or any dog for that matter.

[bubbayugga]

35. I used to be for banning pit bulls

and that led me to research the breed at which time I gained a lot of respect for the breed and lost all respect for the owners that ruin these animals by turning them into vicious beasts. How's Micheal Vick doing these days btw?

[The Straight Story]

36. Have people turn them in for gift certificates